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Grak
07-26-2006, 06:24 AM
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Hi,

We're looking for a new branding as part of a new company concept we have. White Lace & Promises. A high end bridal portraiture company targetting mid-high end market.

The winners of the design will be automatically invited to create our in-house brochure and DVD case too.

Please find questionnare results below:

1.What text should be included in the main part of the logo?
White lace & Promises

2.What type of product or service do you offer?
Mid-High End Wedding Photography

3.What do you hope to accomplish with your new identity?
A recognizable brand. A personable branding to fit with our target audience.

4.What are your long term goals?
To be recognised as one fo our counties leading high end bridal portraiture specialists

5.When is the deadline for final entries before choosing a designer?
12th August

6.Audience Profile:
Please describe your existing audience
To move our concept up to the next level. Targeted to high end earners who want something alternative to traditional wedding photography

7.Who would you like to add to your audience?
High end clientele.
Professionals audience

8.Perception/Tone/Guidelines:
What type of logo would you like?
Creative, Elegant, Feminine feel.

9.Do you have any colors in mind for your logo? (if so, why?)
Hopefully to keep the "White Lace" as white with no real other views as yet.

10.Do you have any specific images or icons in mind that you would definitely like to see incorporated into your logo?
It would be nice to have an identifiable logo that would be recognised across all branded items. I've attached a basic image of something we'd like to see in the logo (bridal dress outline). We like the idea of using what we call a "flairy" type of logo combined with the simplicity of say Century Gothic. We like the Dali font for the flair!
The & in white lace and promises we quite like in font type "Tall Paul"
Overall we are looking for new influence, a feel that will attract the female audience. Hopefully not too cold a colour used either, we want a warmth conveyed.


11. Communication Strategy:
What attributes would you like your logo to reflect about your business?
Highly Skilled - Warm and friendly to approach. To build a friendship with them and not be part another supplier.

12.What is your tagline or slogan?
”Photographic Artistry For The Modern Bride”

13.What is the overall message you are trying to convey to your target audience?
That they should chose us because of the unique approach we adopt. All day coverage included, 3 person team, the overall uniqueness to the day.

14.Where will your new logo be used?
Web, all marketing materials.

15.Competitive Positioning:
Who are your competitors and what do you think about their logos?
They are fairly simple, but nothing to over the top.


16.List competitive URLs if possible
www.jeffascough.co.uk
www.peterprior.com - Quite like concept of this one


17.What sets you apart from your competitors?
Personable, Genuine, Open and a uniqueness to their day.

18.State a single-minded word or phrase that will appropriately describe your company:
Elegant, Personable and a pleasurable experience they will remember.

Further Note:
I'ev attached some further images we've seen some designers create in this forum too.

Good Luck everyone!

Grak
07-27-2006, 02:39 PM
I've noticed lots have taken a look at the job spec but is anyone interested in working with us?
Keith.

Titania
07-27-2006, 03:21 PM
i'm interest, i'll post something asap... :D

glyphica
07-27-2006, 07:00 PM
I will post something in the next couple days. :)

BlueCherryGraphics
07-28-2006, 11:27 AM
Me too.

BlueCherryGraphics
07-28-2006, 12:16 PM
Different take than what you asked for. A ring bearer's pillow.

v1

BlueCherryGraphics
07-28-2006, 12:17 PM
v2

splunking
07-28-2006, 01:53 PM
I look forward to your feedback! :D

Thanks,
Cindy
Flashbrite Studios

pracus
07-28-2006, 02:38 PM
:)

Grak
07-28-2006, 03:19 PM
Hi Guys,
Just to let you know we're away working over the weekend. Be back Monday morning for some serious chat with you all.
Best of Luck
Keith.

Senter
07-29-2006, 12:23 PM
Count me in on this one.

shnickerdoodle studios
07-29-2006, 02:19 PM
One from me...

Thanks,
Deanna

Blesseville
07-30-2006, 03:02 AM
http://www.medigraph.net/do/wlp1.jpg

Grak
08-02-2006, 03:53 AM
Hi All,

Thanks for your input so far. Let's give some feedback:

Jennifer Flows nicely, tend to loose the word Lace Can you try to incorporate the letters WLP (for white lace and promises) as part of the logo instead of the ring cushion. Also try some other colour design too.

Cindy Not getting this one at all. Try to steer away from wedding dress shop idea. We want to incorporate photography more without bringing camera images into the equation.

Pracus Can you too try to bring the letters WLP into the design as seems to be a style of yours. Can you bring more of a flowing font into part of it too. Also a colour change is needed.

Deanna To much of a wedding gown shop feel to this one. Not overly keen on the block idea eather.

Medigraph Can you look at this in more of a photographic angle. Too florally looking and colours not right.

To everyone, can you have a go at incorporating the letters WLP into the design. Also remembering the tagline "Photographic Artistry For The Modern Bride" into the overall logo.

Thanks for your patience on this one and look forward to your next reviews.

Keith.

pracus
08-02-2006, 06:02 AM
:)

Grak
08-02-2006, 08:27 AM
Pracus,
Really can't see any style coming in from this last one. We want a feminine feel and to prominently see "WLP" somewhere more obviously.
Keith.

nhr
08-02-2006, 04:52 PM
Finaly:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP_nhr.png

nhr
08-02-2006, 04:52 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP11_nhr.png

nhr
08-02-2006, 04:52 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP12_nhr.png

Thank you.

glyphica
08-02-2006, 08:20 PM
Here's one from me :)

castell
08-04-2006, 07:49 AM
:) Hello

http://www.visualadv.net/projects/other/wlp1.jpg

Castell

castell
08-04-2006, 07:56 AM
http://www.visualadv.net/projects/other/wlp1a.jpg

Castell

Titania
08-07-2006, 10:58 PM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white.jpg

Grak
08-08-2006, 07:44 AM
Hi Titania,
Starting to like your idea. Can you try an alternate font for the main body of White Lace & Promises
Also to make it stand out a little more, have the W L P be in Dali Font (or something similar to how you have incorporated the WLP into the bridal image - if intentional!! sorry for the sense of humour!).
Finally, can you make Photographic Artistry For the Modern Bride in Hillfiger font.
Thanks Again
Keith.

Titania
08-08-2006, 08:00 AM
i'll work on your requests and will post asap! :yes:

Grak
08-08-2006, 08:25 AM
Blue Cherry Can you try an alternate spin on our request?

Medigraph Can you try an alternate spin on our request too please?

Castell / Kekepania & NHR A little boxey really, and not really getting anything from these last submissions.

Thanks to you all for your keen input and dedication.

Thanks

Keith.

Titania
08-08-2006, 10:05 AM
hi keith! here are the first revisions...
the incorporation of the WLP into the bridal image wasn't intentional at all... sorry! :blush:
version 2 has the dali font, but couldn't find the hillfiger one, sorry again...
let me know if you want to see more fonts options...
hope you like this! :D

http://www.titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white2.jpg

Titania
08-08-2006, 10:07 AM
here's version 3, with the dali font only in the letters you requested... tell me if i understood wrong...
the line between the texts can be taken out if you don't like it... and i can make other color combinations, just let me know.

http://www.titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white3.jpg

Grak
08-08-2006, 11:14 AM
Hi Titania,
Can you make the WLP in CAPS and Larger than the other text please.
Also can you make the & in font Tall Paul (i've tried to attached it here along with Tommy H font I requested) but can't.
Finally, can you try to move the bridal figure to the left so its in front of the logo and see how that looks.
Thanks
Keith.

Paula23
08-08-2006, 11:53 AM
:)

Paula23
08-08-2006, 11:59 AM
:)

Paula23
08-08-2006, 11:59 AM
Thanks,
Paula

tini1
08-08-2006, 12:22 PM
Hello.....
Here is my concept, based off your gown, Thank you:)

Titania
08-08-2006, 03:17 PM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white4.jpg

Titania
08-08-2006, 03:19 PM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white5.jpg

djaka
08-08-2006, 03:24 PM
my initial design,
any comments are appreciated
thank you
:)

Taldo
08-08-2006, 04:30 PM
:)

pracus
08-09-2006, 03:52 AM
:)

Grak
08-09-2006, 11:07 AM
Djaka Can you try the concept but in a more flowing font and not so hard edged? The tagline can be kept in a more formal font such as Century Gothic

Pracus
Starting to like what you have too. Can you put a small loveheart at the end of the ribbon (above word bride) to see what that looks like for us in the same colour concept you have done (1/2 heart one colour, 1/2 heart the other).

Thanks All

Keith.

pracus
08-09-2006, 11:45 AM
:)

djaka
08-09-2006, 02:36 PM
Thankk you for the feedback,
this is the revision
:)

Taldo
08-09-2006, 05:16 PM
:)

Grak
08-10-2006, 01:04 AM
Paula - V3
Can you try a different style of a W at the front, gives it a bit of a look of a tooth root at the moment for me.
Thanks
Keith.

Grak
08-10-2006, 01:07 AM
DJaka Version 2
Can you leave the body of the logo in say Century Gothic with only the W L and P in some sort of a flowing font,. We want to use WLP is other types of correspondance too, this way it could be see.
Thanks
Keith.

djaka
08-10-2006, 03:11 AM
thank you for the feedback
these are alternatives with the italic fonts.
If you prefer regular (non-italic) fonts for the logo let me know.
thank you
regards
:)

djaka
08-10-2006, 03:16 AM
:)

Grak
08-10-2006, 11:02 AM
Taldo
Liking this one a lot. Can you see if you can get the end of the P to make the & as in white lace & promises to form an & in the font Tall Paul?
Also can you show some colour variations in the above logo perhaps with the W L and P in different complimenting colours to the rest of the text?
Thanks
Keith..

Taldo
08-10-2006, 11:16 AM
Hi. Do you want just the "&" sign in the font Tall Paul or the whole line "White Lace & Promises"?

Grak
08-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Hi
Just the & sign please. Could you try to make the & as part of the tail of the flowing P as well?
Keith.

Taldo
08-10-2006, 12:47 PM
Let me know if you like this and then I will work on color variations. Thanks!

Grak
08-10-2006, 01:01 PM
Hi Taldo,
Maybe making the tail of the & slim as in the rest of the & please.
Keith.

Grak
08-10-2006, 02:48 PM
Taldo
Can you try and loop the bottom of the P back up finely on itself up the left hand side to make it look like the & is part of the continual ribbon forming the WLP.
Keith.

Grak
08-12-2006, 10:40 AM
Hi ,
Are any of you other guys finishing your submissions please?
Keith.

Grak
08-15-2006, 01:04 AM
Guys,
I'm having to open the deadline more as there has been a break down of communication between some designers.

Would anyone else like to pick up on responses i've left to certain styles we like?

Thanks

Keith.

djaka
08-15-2006, 03:30 AM
You could PM (private message) the designer, in case he/she didn't see the message in the project forum.
:)

Grak
08-15-2006, 03:45 AM
Djaka
Could you review yours please and change the White Lace& Promises to be font Dali (Upper & lower case) and then the & in tall paul font.

The tag line to be in Tommy Hilfiger font type.

We'll look at the colours after that.

Regards

Keith.

djaka
08-15-2006, 07:13 AM
Thank you for your feedback,
with dali, tall paul and hilfiger font.
:)

djaka
08-15-2006, 07:18 AM
another experiment with zapfino font.
any comments are appreciated
thank you

Taldo
08-15-2006, 09:18 AM
Here is a new version of mine. You could use the WLP by itself without the words or "&" sign.

Grak
08-15-2006, 12:56 PM
Taldo
Still preferring V3. Can you try and loop the bottom of the P back up finely on itself up the left hand side of the P to make it look like the & is part of the continual ribbon forming the WLP.
Keith.

nhr
08-17-2006, 07:10 AM
:)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP2_nhr.png

Thank you.

Taldo
08-18-2006, 02:20 PM
Due to the fact that my design is similar to Pracus's, I am withdrawing versions 2 and 3. Maybe Pracus can make the revisions that you are requesting. I am sorry for the inconvenience.

Grak
08-19-2006, 03:16 AM
Hi NHR,

Some where in there, we need the line "Photographic Artistry For The Modern Bride" too.

Perhaps having white lace & promises on one line for a try?

Thanks

Keith.

nhr
08-19-2006, 05:10 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP21_nhr.png

nhr
08-19-2006, 05:10 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP22_nhr.png

:)

Grak
08-19-2006, 06:40 AM
Hi NHR,
Could you try the crest type logo of WLP set inplace of the &l please in V2.1 so we get 2 distinctive words of White Lace against Promises. Also could you try Capitalising the W the L and P too.

In V2.2, can you make the Tall Paul & the same colour as the crest logo

Thanks.

nhr
08-19-2006, 07:02 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP211_nhr.png

nhr
08-19-2006, 07:06 AM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP221_nhr.png

& is not exactly Tall Paul. This is creation of crest shapes :D

nhr
08-19-2006, 07:14 AM
And little modification to crest - for better distinction between Whate Lace and Promises:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP212_nhr.png

Thank you.

Grak
08-19-2006, 07:25 AM
Hi NHR,
I think we might be getting somewhere now. Can you please, as an alternative, make the tail end of the crest you've done into the Tall Paul &..............I think you might see what we're trying to achieve with this one.

Good luck

Keith.

pracus
08-19-2006, 08:25 AM
:)

nhr
08-19-2006, 10:54 AM
Hi NHR,
I think we might be getting somewhere now. Can you please, as an alternative, make the tail end of the crest you've done into the Tall Paul &..............I think you might see what we're trying to achieve with this one.

Good luck

Keith.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP213_nhr.png

Thank you.

Grak
08-20-2006, 02:59 AM
NHR,
Would you try to add a dividing line between the logo and tagline to seperate them?

Also, please try the tagline in font Tommy Hilfiger.

Thanks

Keith.

nhr
08-20-2006, 03:59 AM
Keith, I have no this font, but here is one very similar:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP214_nhr.png

Thank you.

Grak
08-20-2006, 08:33 AM
Hi Guys,
We're currently shortlisting down to 4 ideas.

Can the following designers please change the current tagline to read:
"Family Photographers Since 1986" instead of Photographic Artistry For the modern bride.

They are:

NHR V2.14
Pracus V#4
Djaka V5
Titania V02 & V05

Thankyou once again for your patience and co-operation.

WLP.

nhr
08-20-2006, 08:40 AM
Done:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP215_nhr.png

:)

Grak
08-20-2006, 09:41 AM
NHR Could you lessen the font size of the tagline so it doesn't impose with the name but keeping it full width across the whole width ( I don't know, perhaps by an extra spacing between each letter)?
Thanks.

djaka
08-20-2006, 10:15 AM
thank you for the feedback,
this is the revision
:)

pracus
08-20-2006, 10:17 AM
:)

nhr
08-20-2006, 10:17 AM
NHR Could you lessen the font size of the tagline so it doesn't impose with the name but keeping it full width across the whole width ( I don't know, perhaps by an extra spacing between each letter)?
Thanks.

Updated in same message #76.
Thank you.

Grak
08-20-2006, 11:41 AM
Pracus
Would you mind changing the & to one in font Tall Paul. Thanks.

pracus
08-20-2006, 12:10 PM
:)

Grak
08-21-2006, 11:34 AM
Pracus
Would you mind us taking a look at the text in White Lace & Promises in Dali font with the & still in Tall Paul but a little smaller than you have it previously in V#6.
Also putting the tagline back to Photographic Artistry For The Modern Bride.
Thankyou again
Keith.

Grak
08-21-2006, 11:41 AM
NHR
Would you mind us having a look at the text in White Lace & Promises but in Dali font in V2.14.
Also putting the tagline back to Photographic Artistry For The Modern Bride. It wasn't working what we wanted it to do.
Thanks
Keith.

Grak
08-21-2006, 11:44 AM
Titania
Can we take a look at V2 again but making the bridal image a little smaller to sit inbetween White Lace & Promises.
Can you also make the font in Dali with the & in Tall Paul. The tagline still in Tommy Hilfiger.
Thankyou so much again.
We're nearly there!
Keith.

nhr
08-21-2006, 02:39 PM
Friendly opinion:

Personaly, I dont like idea of script font with script symbol in same line. If you need script font somewhere, better solution is tag line, I think.

But, best solution is to leave it as is in 2.14 :D

Thank you.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP216217_nhr.png

Titania
08-21-2006, 08:57 PM
i'll work on your request and will post asap! :yes:

pracus
08-22-2006, 01:40 AM
to be honest, I don't like it: :)

Grak
08-22-2006, 10:41 AM
WOW,

What a tremendous task this has been for us to come to a shortlist of 4 ideas we liked. We have gone and done some market research on what attracts womens eyes to the idea we are trying to portray.

One thing that has struck us is the wedding market and the choice of colour that is generic to their marketplace.

We have short listed to 4 designers. Djaka, Titania, Pracus & NHR.

The last part for us now is to see the required design numbers we have chosen all in the same pantone colours we like from what we have seen. So here is the last request we will be asking of you all:

DJAKA V4 Can we see V4 using the main colour as pantone PMS 2655 with the tagline and middle colour of the heart in pantone PMS 248. Can you also put a thin line between White Lace & Promises and the tagline. Also the Tall Paul & symbol a little smaller. Can you also shrink the tagline in font size but keep it full width of the main body.

TITANIA V05 Can you simply change the pantone colours to PMS 2655 for the main logo text and PMS 248 for the tagline and bridal image.

PRACUS V05 No Change on this one on colour. Can you simply change the & to Tall Paul and make it smaller to fit in with the size of the main body of text.

NHR V2.14 & V2.17 For both designs, the main logo in Pantone PMS 2655 with the tagline and crest in Pantone PMS 248.

Thanjkyou once again, if you can all post ASAP we will have a decision Monday.

WLP.

Titania
08-22-2006, 10:49 AM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white6.jpg

Titania
08-22-2006, 10:50 AM
sorry, i posted before reading your message about my version 05... i'll prepare it right now and will post it asap... :D

Titania
08-22-2006, 11:04 AM
here it is... new colors for version 05 in this version 07. and i added some different % for the colors for you to see... hope you like them! :D

http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white7.jpg

Grak
08-23-2006, 01:05 PM
Hi,
Any chance of the other three designers giving me their final input to my last request in time for the weekend so we can finalise for Monday?
Thanks
WLP.

Titania
08-23-2006, 04:50 PM
designs from version 6 but with the colors of 7... just in case... :D

http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white8.jpg

djaka
08-23-2006, 05:20 PM
thank you for the feedback,
this is the revision
:)

Patel
08-23-2006, 06:07 PM
removed

nhr
08-23-2006, 06:09 PM
:)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP214p_nhr.png

nhr
08-23-2006, 06:09 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP217p_nhr.png

Thank you.

Grak
08-23-2006, 11:59 PM
Djaka,
Can we have the tagline and the & in the same colour as the middle part of the hearts please thats Pantone 248.
Thanks
WLP

djaka
08-24-2006, 04:12 AM
the color changes.
thank you
:)

Grak
08-24-2006, 05:31 AM
Djaka
Can you make the & sign a little smaller please and make a little more space between the white and lace.
Thanks
WLP.

djaka
08-24-2006, 08:31 AM
this is the revision.
thank you

regards
:)

Grak
08-27-2006, 04:31 AM
Titania
Can you swap the dali font to be the tagline instead then the White lace & Promises to be a more formal font. We feel the script underneath the line would fit in better with the bridal image.

Djaka
The same as above please. Make the tagline into Dali and WLP in a simpler font. Not as simple as Aerial, but nevertheless, nothing flairy.
Also can you make the lovehearts a little smaller sat above Promises.

Thanks both again.

WLP

djaka
08-27-2006, 04:30 PM
Hi WLP,
this is the revision.
:)

djaka
08-27-2006, 04:37 PM
another alternative.
thank you
:)

Grak
08-28-2006, 02:55 AM
Hi Djaka,
Perhaps the main logo in a thinner font style please.
Could you also leave the & in tall paul and still keep the hearts over the end of the word promises.
One last bit, Capitalise the "For" and "The" in the tagline.
Thanks again.

djaka
08-28-2006, 05:49 AM
Thank you for the feedback
This is the revision
:)

Titania
08-28-2006, 06:40 AM
i'll prepare what you asked for and will post asap! :yes:

Grak
08-28-2006, 07:18 AM
titania, V6b
Can you make the & a little smaller please to fit in with the size of the tagline a little letter.
Also can you put the logo onto a black background to see how it would look on our site.


NHR - 2.17p
Can you put the logo onto a black background to see how it would look on our site.

Thanks again.

nhr
08-28-2006, 08:21 AM
Sure:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP217pb_nhr.png

:D

Titania
08-28-2006, 10:36 AM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white9.jpg

Titania
08-28-2006, 10:36 AM
http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white10.jpg

Titania
08-28-2006, 10:37 AM
and with the & smaller... let me know if you need to see another change... :D

http://titania.myown.com.ar/do/titania_white11.jpg

Grak
08-28-2006, 02:26 PM
Djaka
Can you make the & a little smaller please to fit in with the size of the tagline a little letter.
Also can you put the logo onto a black background to see how it would look on our site.
Thanks
WLP

djaka
08-28-2006, 07:12 PM
This is the revision.
any comments are appreciated.
thank you
:)

djaka
08-28-2006, 07:21 PM
another alternative
:)

Grak
08-30-2006, 12:10 PM
Hi Djaka,

Would you do me a favour and use a very thin striking and modern font for WLP, leaving the & as tall paul. Version 6d.

Also making the hearts that little bit smaller too please.

We're nearly there everyone.

Thanks

WLP

djaka
08-30-2006, 04:29 PM
thank you for the feedback
these are two version for the thin font
:)

djaka
08-30-2006, 04:32 PM
alternative with the thinner font.
thank you
:)

Grak
08-31-2006, 12:32 AM
NHR
One last request please, could you make the main WLP logo into a thinner style font too please leaving everything else intact as is.
Thanks
WLP

nhr
08-31-2006, 02:18 PM
Thinner font:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP214pt.png

nhr
08-31-2006, 02:18 PM
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP217pt.png

Thank you.

nhr
09-02-2006, 04:01 PM
As requested by Private message:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b92/nhrdesign/DO/WLP217pth.png

Keith, please note:
I can't use Private messages to answer you before end of this project.

Thank you for understanding.

Grak
09-12-2006, 10:47 AM
Hi,
After a long deliberation and a serious battle to come to a decision, we'd like to announce the winner of the priject as NHR V2.17pth.

Moderators, how do I go about finalising the project?

Thankyou once again to all who joined in with design elements.

We will no doubt cross paths again as I will be publishing a request for pull 8 page brochure design.

Good luck to you all.

Regards and Best Wishes

Keith (WLP).

nhr
09-12-2006, 03:10 PM
Thank you very much for choosing my design, Keith :)
Your files will be ready for download very soon.

nhr
09-12-2006, 07:22 PM
Keith, please check your Private messages:

http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/private.php?

Thank you.

nhr
09-13-2006, 03:27 PM
Please, check your Private messages again, Keith.
Your files has bin sent yesterday :D
Thank you very much.