Site re-design with guidelines - travel/accom

[designmarket]

(Admin code added by Palmer - C7182319)

Hello,

This is my first post here and I'd like to commend all the designers on your
professionalism and quality! :tup:

Copyright to belong to the end user/client. Design credits & link to the successful
firm/individual (must be genuine/no third parties) will be fully visible on website produced.

Rough draft ideas for this one would be good to start with to
get the "look & feel" colours right first, so don't put too much detailed work in to
begin:

Web Contest Details

Company name: provided
Company profile: Not-for-profit association that has an aim to promote a
select membership group. There will be a an information section on the site (attracting people to the area in general).

Domain name: is appropriate (not delegated as yet).

What is the scope of this project?: New site &/or redesign "look and feel"

Who is the intended audience?: Catering for age/sex/location across the
board. It's broad because the range of accommodations is broad.

More specifically - honeymooners, corporate escapees, off the beaten track travellers, have money/want value, retirees and families looking for a short break from the city (Sydney) or holiday destination.

The target market is predominantly not a "bed for the night" group, but rather, knows what they are looking for- an experience or a destination that will meet the
pinpointed needs.

Mood or tone?: Coastal, holiday/vacation, modern, upbeat - yet with an air of
sophistication and quality yet not formal. Boutique=exclusive

Color psychology?: Light not dark. Sand/blue sky/ocean with a touch of bush but not in your face over the top with anything. See the logo which can be toned down. (to me it looks too dark and just not right colour-wise) The logo can either be the basis to build the design around or it can be incorporated into the design as an element.

Any dynamic elements?: No - there will be but you don't need to worry on it.


What resources can you provide?:

Logo - I have a 4 colour Logo that has recently been provided.

My first attempt :blink: - this is totally wrong because I was working off a monotone logo that was in purples! (I hadn't seen the colour one then). None of the style, colours, layout or ideas need be retained ... you have license to play and create a unique solution.

Images - Two beach scenes to choose from (one sunset water & one day). They are copyright but have permission to use (not to be used elsewhere). Various
accommodation images are available and I have a lot of them on my harddrive.. if someone wants to work on the project I will go through and select a variety and make them available.. please let me know

(I don't know what size people like to work with so let me know so that I can resize them as necessary, some of them are huge). (Note you don't have to use any of the photos if you have a better idea.

An existing 2 page web presence - This will give you more information about the group.

The designer of this is retaining copyright over all graphical elements so we cannot
use anything, it will be trashed in a couple of months - Note - I have used one in my first attempt as a place holder only.

Websites you like:
I like lots of web sites and I like variety, the designs I do myself are all unique
custom designs.don't want anything that looks like "templates" or look alikes.

End results hoped for:

Needs to be fast loading with plenty of "white space" (doesn't have to be white) for
text and images.
(Note, some pages will get quite long - "content is king")
Simple design - CSS can be used as much as possible (tables not layers for positioning please).

Important Note: if you are not proficient with CSS don't let that put you
off at all, I can also close this off on the Design alone, without the html coding as
long as I get the "look & feel" right!

Optimised to look good on 800 up screens. You can use fixed (I usually set it at 760
to cater for those on macs) or float it with a percentage.

Simple graphic nav with mouseover for main nav (top or left).text for bottom nav.

Apart from the logo name and nav, text should not be trapped in graphics. headings & sub headings to be Hx tags, set in CSS to control size/positioning.
"look & feel" in PSD layers with blank buttons (May need to add/change one).

Deadline: ASAP, 1 - 2 week (Preferably yesterday!).

I am not sure if I have explained myself well or not? Am I too long winded? Please let me know and ask questions, so I know how to improve the specs for future contests.

This is a low budget job and is for a non-profit but doesn't qualify (in my opinion)
for the charity forum (they are on my non-profit rates for the total project though).
Other projects coming soon and the rewards will vary.

There will also be a map to be developed for this, which I will post in the other
forum eventually.

Please let me know if you are going to have a go and bite this, thanks.

[designmarket]

Hey, I need some feedback please :geek:

I thought this might be a quick fun one, so, I need to know:

1) am I giving too much information?
2) am I giving too little information?
3) are my requirements too hard?
4) Is anyone interested? If so, would a better prize amount help to get the ball rolling?

[motiveX]

I cannot speak for everyone, but yes to #4.

:tup:

[designmarket]

OH ok.. not a problem then.. I'll up it to $185, but I cannot get my payment through right now.. but it will definately happen. (I assume Palmer will give it a stamp of approval when it's above board)

Prize is upped to $185.

I've had trouble working it out.. because I'm just looking really for a "look & feel" and have no idea how much time you guys allocated to the graphic design side of things and the things that are important to us.. we spend a lot of time at the clean coding/validation/cross browser compatibility angle.

(quite prepared to do that and let you be creative)

Not to worry & have fun! I am sure I am going to enjoy working with you all.

[Palmer]

Yes when the added extra is received I'll post a notice to the designers in their private forum and edit the title to reflect the new prize amount.

Thanks :)

[Palmer]

New prize money amount $185 :tup:

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 25 2003, 12:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 25 2003, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OH ok.. not a problem then.. I'll up it to $185, but I cannot get my payment through right now.. but it will definately happen. (I assume Palmer will give it a stamp of approval when it's above board)

Prize is upped to $185.

I've had trouble working it out.. because I'm just looking really for a "look & feel" and have no idea how much time you guys allocated to the graphic design side of things and the things that are important to us.. we spend a lot of time at the clean coding/validation/cross browser compatibility angle.

(quite prepared to do that and let you be creative)

Not to worry & have fun! I am sure I am going to enjoy working with you all. [/b][/quote]
Ya, it is a common misconception that the design aspect does not take as long as the coding side of things...when at times it can be just as tedious.

When you really look at it, we search for images to fit within the design the client offers....have to see if they might fit within a design idea we either have in our head or work off of some kind source of inspiration (different for every individual), then we have to start piecing things together so they will work the way we imagine it in our heads.

This process can be very time consuming. Someone like myself can spend hours and hours just looking at a very rough idea and then have to walk away from it for an hour or so, to then come back and see something I may not have seen the first time around.

It is very rare that I actually go with my initial design idea, and I am sure most others on here are the same way.

At the end of the day, design is quite tedious and depending on the designer it can take a whole day to come up with an idea, or up to a week...depending on the circumstances and what kind of look or feel the client is going for.

:)

[designmarket]

Then again, when the inspiration hits it can be instant and first draught can get the design approved... it's magic when that happens
you've got to love that conection and buzz.
...it's all in the head stuff

Given a difficult/pedantic client.. that cannot give their specs correct it can be a nightmare. I hope I am not raving on (new here and all that). is it ok to chat or should I shut up.. if so.. just tell me to.. LOL I will robotically act accordingly.

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 25 2003, 01:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 25 2003, 01:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then again, when the inspiration hits it can be instant and first draught can get the design approved... it's magic when that happens
you've got to love that conection and buzz.
...it's all in the head stuff

Given a difficult/pedantic client.. that cannot give their specs correct it can be a nightmare. I hope I am not raving on (new here and all that). is it ok to chat or should I shut up.. if so.. just tell me to.. LOL I will robotically act accordingly. [/b][/quote]
Nah, chat it up. I personally love when a contest holder has an opinion or is willing to actually discuss options or try to understand things.

I rarely enter contests where I watch the contest holder speak with the design team as if they have no emotion or will be a pain.

:tup:

I will try and find time to come up with something for this over the weekend.

B)

[designmarket]

hehe thanks xteriormotive :yes:
Hey of *one* thing you can be sure....I can speak my opinion. :yes:
Luck to you & any others.

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 25 2003, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 25 2003, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hehe thanks xteriormotive :yes:
Hey of *one* thing you can be sure....I can speak my opinion. :yes:
Luck to you & any others. [/b][/quote]
Can you provide links to some sites you like so we can get a better understanding of what you want?

You mention not wanting it to look templat'ish and wanting it to be unique, but also mention content being king....etc.

I just would like to see some sites along the lines of what you like or mean.

Thanks!

:D

[motiveX]

I also need to know the font used in the logo.

I need to edit the color for the idea I have going.

:tup:

[designmarket]

It does take some research... to get the connection in this target market with what is meant by unique concept & template.

I don't want to give links to specific sites that I like, because hey. (and I told you - I am honest!) I don't want to copy anything at all. :)

To get a feel I suggest you look through the base line of what is presented by copy pasting the links from the old site listings..

get a feel for the area and base your ideas around your impressions.

beach/sand/open

Remember.. fast loading/ text areas that can expand vertically..

example.. if you used a table cell background graphic it would need to repeat seamlessly...

Does that help? If not ask the question again so I can get you a better answer.

[designmarket]

I don't know what the font in the logo is.. I found I was able to chop it out from the file and reduce it ok.. If you want me to hassle/persue this I will.. let me know.

Yes.. play with the colour.. they aren't right to me.

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 25 2003, 02:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 25 2003, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't know what the font in the logo is.. I found I was able to chop it out from the file and reduce it ok.. If you want me to hassle/persue this I will.. let me know.

Yes.. play with the colour.. they aren't right to me. [/b][/quote]
No biggie. I worked around it.

I should have something to show tonight after class and I watch the season premier of ER.

I hope you like curves...cause ocean makes me think curves and blue's...etc.

[designmarket]

I look forward to reviewing it..
:)

[motiveX]

Here is where I am heading.

I have to head to class for 5 hours now.

:sick:

[designmarket]

That is a wonderful design, I love your section sweeps at the top.
I love your choices for it top & bottom.

I don't feel however that the emphasis on finding boutique accommodation is there... .Maybe you might try cropping out the logo graphic and seperating it from the text and to play on your base idea ..

This is really weird, doing this.. because if I was the designer I would be angling for stuff like starfish/shells :) (simple minded)

Beauty of this is that I can get incredible *out of my own box ideas* like this.. anyone participating in these forums has got to benefit from that!

Do you want me to upload some accommodation images to play with? just yell..

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 25 2003, 04:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 25 2003, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That is a wonderful design, I love your section sweeps at the top.
I love your choices for it top & bottom.

I don't feel however that the emphasis on finding boutique accommodation is there... .Maybe you might try cropping out the logo graphic and seperating it from the text and to play on your base idea ..

This is really weird, doing this.. because if I was the designer I would be angling for stuff like starfish/shells :) (simple minded)

Beauty of this is that I can get incredible *out of my own box ideas* like this.. anyone participating in these forums has got to benefit from that!

Do you want me to upload some accommodation images to play with? just yell.. [/b][/quote]
Yes, please zip up a file of images.

I am off!

:zorro:

[designmarket]

OK will do, I don't have time to do so right now..

the thing I am thinking about the way you are going (and I love it to bits) on that is that is much too like our local tourism identities.. too rigid.. too structured.

we need to lighten it up and not be like them..
need to be boutique accommodation with diversity and a little bit of attitude.
light/breezy. totally easy.

while you are waiting for me to locate zip and upload images for you... you can get a further overview of the types of accommodations from the old web page..
sorry about that, but I have to bomb.. will do this tomorrow and offer a selection of diversity.

[designmarket]

PS.. I know what it is.. the design is too *corporate* for this job.. love it.. and I am sure it could be shaken up enough to be usable.. just letting you know my thinking as I think it.. :)

[motiveX]

I will screw around with it a bit, but I bartend on weekends so I am not around much at all.

So best bet for seeing changes from me is early next week.

[Severner]

Im working on something now hope to get it up soon :)

[designmarket]

Cool, thanks Severner, looking forward to it.

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A few images for different accommodation bits for anyone who wants to use them (don't have to) have been added here (http://alansch.tripod.com)! (The tripod account seems to refuse to take the zip file.)

[edit - snip] :D

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 26 2003, 08:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 26 2003, 08:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cool, thanks Severner, looking forward to it.

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A few images for different accommodation bits for anyone who wants to use them (don't have to) have been added here (http://alansch.tripod.com)! (The tripod account seems to refuse to take the zip file.)

The image below is a thought only , in case it gives anyone an inspiration for color & feel. :D [/b][/quote]
That gives me a more cartoony feel.

I assumed that for a bed and breakfast that had images as breathtaking as the one's you placed on the Tripod account that you wanted to go more with that kind of design...as opposed to a more cartoony and generic or alternative looking design.

This is where providing links for designers becomes a great help, so we can actually focus on what it is you want instead of spending time on designs that at the end of the day are nice, but not what you desire.

Time is money for everyone, so it might be in everyone's best interests if you could give us more of an idea as to what you are actually looking for...cause that image you just posted would send me into an 'orbitz' design kind of feel.

:unsure: :help:

[designmarket]

sorry about that (I have taken it away now, I most certainly am not here to waste anyone's time :(...I've tried to give as much info as I can... I don't want a cartoon look, just something that matches the flavour of the area.

I am totally not used to the thought of tracking down a website that has a look I like. My brain works very differently on the matter. :mellow:

I'll see what I can do though.

[BrianDove]

My entry:
( Note: The "Attraction" button is what happens when mouse-overed... ;) )


:unsure:

Brian

[designmarket]

Further Design Clues in the area of the physical location - the feeling is kicked back and relaxed. The luxury and extra touches are there within the group members offerings for lodging, but in a casual and very relaxed manner. (We are dealing with very friendly folks) Access to entertainment, fine food, culture, art/craft, history is all there in the area..

But ----- this is combined with unspoilt nature, fresh air, bushwalking, surfing, water sports, peace, tranquial, national parks, rainforests, secluded beaches, crystal blue water, white/golden sand, waterways, waterfalls... all just a short distance from Australia's largest and most cosmopolitan city. Emphasis is beach.. with the beauty of the australian bush as a backdrop.

I hope that helps! All are welcome to enter...

xteriormotive - if you have time and would like to continue could you please keep the sweepy areas top & bottom, but move to more the coastal sand/blue in it .

Maybe make the graphics not so high so they don't cut into the page quite so much..
and um.. my partner had some feedback for you.. I didn't see it myself until he said, but do please be careful of shapes that could appear phallic!
:blush:

[designmarket]

koolbrian - that is beautiful... how will that go on fast download requirements? don't forget a lot of us regional aussies are on dial up here.. that may be something designers are not aware of.. ? not sure.

It shouldn't be an issue if graphics are optimised correctly etc. just something I am big on, to keep in mind :).

Here is what I think for you to try for..
The logo, I really think you need to separate the image and the text out.. the text is too big to fit a web page look, (which I don't think they considered in their design, some few years ago), makes the graphic thing look too small.. it may be fine in print, but errm.. ya know what I mean :blink:

my suggestion is to make bigger the graphic bit and fit your text logo bit to the right,, would that work?

[BrianDove]

Ok,
Ill post the updated entry in a few minutes :)
Brian

[BrianDove]

The Template is very fast loading.
I deleted the rounded bottom bar ( takes time to load normally... )
I changed the logo and Text of the logo,
Brian

[designmarket]

No, I think you need that bottom bit to keep your design intention/integrity.. Maybe in tables, it can be made to be a last thing to load.. keep that there please.

as long as the site loads text first while images drop in it should be fine...

ok.. I think I am having trouble getting over a move and sparation of the graphic in the logo and the text in the logo? It might be just my thinking, but I think the graphic thing needs to move to the left and the text to be aligned to the right and center of it.

colour..

At the moment you have on the right and bottom a purply colour.. can it turn blue successfully?

[motiveX]

<!--QuoteBegin-design-market+Sep 26 2003, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (design-market @ Sep 26 2003, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> um.. my partner had some feedback for you.. I didn't see it myself until he said, but do please be careful of shapes that could appear phallic!
:blush: [/b][/quote]
Someone needs get their head out of the gutter...that is pushing it saying something in that design appears to look phallic.

Oh well.

:wacko:

[designmarket]

Took me a while to figure what he meant as well, just passing it on incase you are working on it and would value the feedback.

[Severner]

So far :P

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[designmarket]

Severner - that is very pretty and unique looking.

Is it a splash page with an intention to create a secondary page if the basic design is liked?

I am traditionally anti splash page, but am totally open to change in my thinking if it can be combined with these aspects:

user and search engine friendliness
fast down loading - regional dial up has a need for speed
cross browser compatibility

Not a tall list :lol:

{edit - adding} - special note, I noticed how you picked out the gum leave green for your text... that was well done!

---- addressed to all designers below-------

I wonder if everyone is going to try to design without the sunset thought of purples & pinks :) I have tried to say ocean & sky blues and golden light sands.

I absolutely love all three submittions to date and each one has it's unique aspects.

Let me know if you need more information or direction (but please don't ask me to work it out - I have come here for Your inspirations, not mine :) ).

If you want my opinion ( and heck I am trying really hard to give you direction on colour usage & style here ).. the two main look/feels that need to get in there are the colour & look of the cockle bay house & al mare combined with the bush ones like fairbanks.

I am having trouble with that logo as it is.. it looks like a postage stamp or a pimple on a pumpkin (it's not getting into the design, not combining).. most certainly not your fault but can we do anything with it? You can drop the intensity of the colour and please please separate the graphic from the words.

[Severner]

Well I had 2 intentions first is the intention to have a different image for each page :)

Second was to make this the front of the site and then move on to a more content based site rather then anythign fancy something not plain but suffiecient and easy on the eyes and to load.

I can but think the logo is really good as it is myself.

Colours can be modified if you like.

Do you have any more images I can use?

[designmarket]

Well I had 2 intentions first is the intention to have a different image for each page

Severner - that is a really neat idea, but on this one I don't think I want to go that way.. Prefer to use the design as a frame for the content without it changing on the inner pages.

I am going to be having a full page for each listed place and I can just imagine them bickering about "they got a better image on their page" :lol:

I can but think the logo is really good as it is myself.
Yes it is a good logo, I think my problem is the graphic is so small you cannot make out what it is. But you may have a better sense than me about it!

What I like best from the entries to date:

xteriormotive: the curves and use of solid colour and the way the bottom finishes as a repeat

koolbrian: Overall "look & feel" and the use of the hint of accommodation coming in top right.

severner: the clean uncluttered look - the design has a lot of potential

Question please: what programs are you working in I will need the original in layers in case of changes and I have photoshop, fireworks & illustrator on a PC.

koolbrian, that top nav area and mouse over idea - how hard would it be to make a change if I had to add another link? Fairly easy at this stage but real difficult after slicing? What if we used another image where the house on the left of the two story is and blended it in?

Attached below is a rough example of what I mean.

I will started the ball rolling to get the client feedback on the designs and should hear their input soon.. anyone who is working on something or revisions should put up their ideas (even if just draft) so I know if you are here.

[motiveX]

:huh:

[designmarket]

Thats :tup: xteriormotive

What happens if you pick up the colour of the goldy and blue from the logo and replace the brown and navy? Will that look good?

The lady/breakast idea was an example only and you used it very well!

[motiveX]

:whistle2:

[designmarket]

This is *totally* as rough as,
but it's a quick indicator of how I think you could play your design.

I am trying to say.. lighten the colour and break up the logo
Play with the curves (I think, so they are not perfect or symetrical.)

You are not allowed to laugh at my example :)
going to bed now.. hope to see you tomorrow... I hope that helps..

[motiveX]

I kind of like the flow of the last one better, but here was the change you recommended.

[designmarket]

OK.. client feedback is in:

Overall they liked what is going on with the three designs. They were concerned about the aspect of not bringing in more of the bush as only 3 of the properties have beach views, the majority are on bush properties or have lagoon views.

They feel that the overall class of the properties is well re-presented in all.

Severner - begins to pick up the bush in the colour of the text. - Can you continue to develop you ideas please. I would like to see the opening page image a little smaller and an idea of what you intend for the inner page (I don't want different images on each) or for you to go for a single page only if you like.

xteriormotive 's new header is combining well to give a feel for different aspects. Could you please put together what you think for the rest of the design without the navy blue and dark colours and put the nav in. Also, please see what you can do about the red note in my example and get the breakfast food fade to be lower so the items are clearer?

koolbrian - They very much like your design. Note: your second entry logo size & placement is fine. Use the bottom of the first one. They feel that you will successfully bring in the bushy feel by following my suggestion (which I showed them). There is a faint bush scene out that window.

They didn't understand why the curves were across the images making them "look indistinct" I explained what your idea with the navigation was and that I didn't "want" the individual accommodations to be highlighted strongly there in the base graphics ... just meant to be a hint. (They are happy with my explaination) They agree that the house on the left has to go.

Everybody: Please note that the spelling of accommodation in AU is with 2 mms and also if possible we need to add a new link called "links".

I'd like to pick a winner soon, so please let's see what you can do :) good luck.

Added : 3 Bush/Propery Aspect Images (http://alansch.tripod.com)

[Luc]

Can I still enter?

[designmarket]

Sure, if you are quick... let me know when to expect something though (how many days?) It's anyones game at this stage.

[Luc]

Cool! Tomorrow maybe? Or the day after tomorrow? Would that be ok?

[Luc]

oops double post sorry. pls delete

[designmarket]

Sure, I will wait 2 days minimum before closing, be careful to read all notes to see what I am looking for. Looking forward to your entry.

[Luc]

Where can I download the logo?

[designmarket]

Everything is here. (http://alansch.tripod.com/)

[Luc]

<img src='http://www.ei-corp.net/mockups/bbb.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[designmarket]

Thanks, a great entry exoillusion!

I love some of what is going on here. You have captured the sea/beach/bush feel there all in one.. thanks for bringing in the other graphic of the beach (instead of sunset) I love the sunset in the others.. but you are doing something different and blending the look together.

I wish we all had some sort of graphics editor around so the contest holder could move size and place bits to show what they think would be better.!

But we don't ,so I will try to type how I see this can be improved.

1) I don't have enough room to add content. Can we scrunch up at top and on the right with the graphics? It looks great but the *shell* (base graphics) of the site needs to be a backdrop for the content.

2) Repeat of logo (name).. too much - if you get rid of it in the top and move the graphic bit into the right bar below the text to fit into the now less wide side picture it would be good..

3) I love the top - the bush to the sea feel.. It's like I am snuggled away in a country retreat with minutes to the ocean, which is exactly what this is all about overall. The woman is great, she thinks, she can go back and relax or go forward, she blends.

(Note: having trouble describing the changes of how I see this can work, so please ask if I am not clear)

4) The top needs to have less height. Attending to point 2.. and the logo is removed... lets look at what is going on in that top collage.
a) that image on the far left, where did it come from?
B) What if the top of the palm above the woman and the woman move up to the top can they still blend with the next to the right image to give the steps effect?
c) If they could, then the image on the far left could get the sunset in there, as the beach is covered in the right body graphic.
d) To the right of the top then we have too much use of the one property aspect and a repeat of umberellas, the curve obscures the pool that is there as well and there is too much visibility of the red fire thingo.
Suggestion.. look through the images both provided and on the websites to see if something else can come.

Looks to me as if the move suggested above might be all too hard because of the height of the trees here.

If you follow what I am saying then it will alter the shape of your curve and then perhaps what is going on on the right body content can shift to the left? (but most certainly doesn't have to.

5) Navigation - I like what you have there very much for your design, can you add one more "links" and give an indication of what might happen on mouseover?

6) Solid Colour (Curve and bottom bar - not sure about the mushroomy pinky brown.. ) but that is the least of the considerations.

I hope that is helpful, I can see in my mind how this would work very well, but it is seriously hard to express it. :) :tup:

How is everyone else going with this?
I have asked a few questions, which I have not received an answer for..

Thanks all for entering and let's see who pops up at the finishing line for the winning entry!

[Luc]

:) Thank you! I'm glad you like it! I'll be making the changes now.

[Luc]

<img src='http://www.ei-corp.net/mockups/bbb.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

Btw, the color of the navigation changes to another color on mouseover.

[designmarket]

Thanks, I don't think anyone else is going to understand what has been said if you do not leave your original up there.. can you edit your original entry so that people know what I meant about the steps etc.. it was seriously good.

I will give you my feedback on the new entry shortly, but for now.. I want more space and less cut into the page with that right graphic..
the logo graphic can drop below the text on the right hand thing and the trees need to come back in.. let it go verticle.. just not so wide in the body space.
:)

[designmarket]

PS I don't think the woman works anymore.. too stark.. the first enty was near on perfect around her.

[Luc]

I'm sorry I've overwritten the first image. Is this what you mean?
<img src='http://www.ei-corp.net/mockups/bbb3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[designmarket]

Yes on the right hand thing & yes on the woman (steps thing) :)

Are you able to see if you can incorporate the other ideas if you have time please.

the repeat of the umberella, the image to the left, red fire thing etc.
Also can you please throw some content in the space, so I can get a feel of what your finished template will be like... thanks heaps.

I wonder if anyone else is going to compete here, would love to see the others come back with their updates based on my suggestions. PLEASE!! :D

I really want you to, this is my first competition and I think it is much harder to host than it looks. :) I must be doing something wrong, I gather. Just let me know what it is?

[Luc]

:D This is not the only 'quiet' contest right now. There's no response in other contests too.

[motiveX]

I just really don't have the time to make the changes right now.

I have like 6 designs on my plate right now and a week full of exams coming.

[designmarket]

OK.. thanks for letting me know, it really helps, best of luck with those other designs and the exams!

[Luc]

<img src='http://www.ei-corp.net/mockups/bbb4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
:blink: Where is the fire thing you were saying?

Yeah! Exams! Me too I've tons of exams.

[designmarket]

Just noticed there is a heap of funny blurring behind the woman now,
sorry for being fussy, but does that look ok to you?

Thanks for putting in your content ideas!

The red fire thingy is to the right of the spa...

from my other notes to you.

c) If they could, then the image on the far left could get the sunset in there, as the beach is covered in the right body graphic.
d) To the right of the top then we have too much use of the one property aspect and a repeat of umberellas, the curve obscures the pool that is there as well and there is too much visibility of the red fire thingo.
Suggestion.. look through the images both provided and on the websites to see if something else can come.

[designmarket]

Well I need to finalise this contest shortly. Thanks for all your efforts so far, everyone.

koolbrian - I need to know if you will be able to blend in another image at the top right to cover the house on the left as suggested in my post on page 3, at: Sep 28 2003, 06:40 AM & in client comments at: Sep 30 2003, 03:32 AM

[Luc]

I still have not made the changes to mine. Is koolbrian the winner already?

[designmarket]

exoillusion - I need an answer about that from him

I am wondering if you are trying again or if what I am saying about the top collage is too confusing? I've got your entry open in photoshop and am try to sort of cut and paste stuff around to what I think would work to show you, but it is too hard without the originals you have prepared and I am not doing a good job with it.

Do you want me to post it anyway?

[Luc]

Ok can you please post it? however, it's 2 AM here :zzz: I can submit the updates tomorrow. I hope it's ok.

[designmarket]

I've made a real mess of your good work :sick:
See if it helps and thanks for all your efforts.... you are very responsive. :tup:
4am here (and I am still working, erk) ... tomorrow is fine.

Wouldn't let me upload so cut the bottom off. and here are my notes:

This is very rough.. sunset, (not necessarily this aspect)
to go behind woman and blend.. leave the umberella
and seating as in your first entry...
from this point or this one on the right needs to change.

I have stuck that house there but it isn’t right at all.. too
much pointed shapes and the sky doesn’t blend.

what you had was good, but it was all the one property
and the umbrellas repeated.
:)

I’m also playing with putting the logo words back up
into the sunset and putting menu in the graphic
on the left somehow. (that was my partners suggestion)
Not sure if it would work or not. He didn't like the colours (I did).

[Luc]

Thank you very much for your time. I'll post later. Gotta go school. See you later.

[Luc]

The house you used in the header looks just right. Where can I download it?

[designmarket]

It's from this site: www.almarebeachfront.com.au
But the red house on the left of the must be taken out.

You can also use any images from the sites listed here:
http://alansch.tripod.com/oldsite/bnb.html

[Luc]

Here is my final entry. However this is not the final revision. We can still make changes if ever my entry wins.
I made a clearer blending so it doesn't looks too much of a collage. Here it is. I hope you like it.
<img src='http://www.ei-corp.net/mockups/bbb5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Good luck to all of us! :) Peace!

[designmarket]

Thank you for making your intentions clear and working so hard with me, it is a great help. You are neck and neck with koolbrian and I just want to give him time to reply to previous question (about making a change) before deciding the winner for this competition.

[designmarket]

koolbrian - please speak to me :sideways: :whistle2:

[Palmer]

I've contacted him by private message and sent email to 2 different accounts of his. He hasn't read any of them.

[designmarket]

Thanks Palmer, I hope he is OK & well! :o

[Palmer]

Looks like we have a koolbrian sighting...
http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?showt...indpost&p=23886 (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?showtopic=1552&view=findpost&p=23886)

He hasn't replied to my emails or private message yet though <_<

[designmarket]

And the winner is.....

exoillusion :tup:

Luc, there are a few things that need to be sorted out on the design before slicing and dicing (should be quite easy to do).. Congrats.

[Luc]

Thank you very much :clap: Please email me the changes to be made.

Luc

[hotnuts21]

Just looking through this contest and the entries were really really nice. Good work to all the designers :D