Egyptian Graphics and site template $350/$150 $500 *Project Over*

[rlevant]

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Hello friends,

I'm back with a much larger project of designing/redesigning my temples website which has two parts

1.graphic/illustration layout for $350
2. Setting these up as Web Templates for $150


We will start with illustration/graphics design layout of this project. This first contest then will award the $350 for the graphic/lillustration layouts.

The second contest will be for setting up the graphics in html and such on web page templates for $150

If you can do both , you are welcome to simply participate in round one submitting the complete graphically illustrated templates...
If you do present both and I choose you for the winner..I can choose to either ony consider the graphics/illutrations or to consider the 2 part contest complete and award you the $500

Having explained that let me give you a sense of the projects structure and then I will make a more fun post of what I am actually l planning here
So structure of project:

[rlevant]

STRUCTURE OF PROJECT

Graphics Illustration Lay Out

1. A graphical main website front page integrating 4 egyptian themed graphics/illustrations into a story we will call MainPage Graphic

(I will describe story line and parts I desire and the nature of the site next postt)

2. 4 graphics *based on* the 4 illustrations on main page for inside pages for 4 sections of the website we will call subpage graphics

3. A navigation strip for top of secondary pages based on story line (or top and bottom whatever you come up with--and I have an idea;-)

Web Template Set Up

4.. Setting up MAIN web page using MainPage graphic from #1 above adding links ,search & mailing list (can either add news or we can link to what is new)

5. Setting up sub page template that will

a. be simple to update and fill with content

b.incorporate 1 of the 4 subpage graphics from #2 above
(set up each of the four subpage graphics on this subpage template)

c.incorporate nav strip from #3 above (or change it if you want/can)

d. set up subpage template with place to easily add links to new pages and also for content

6. any slicing, optimization or coding needed to make this work as web pages

[rlevant]

The theme of the main page story illustration is the journey of the sun god Ra.

I will break this down into Dawn, Midday, Evening and Night and present you with associated story and relevant symbols

And then oh yes links to pages where you can see what the heck I am talking about


The SHORT VERSION of The Plot

Ra's Barque departs in the Evening on abundent waters and enters the body of Nut who is the deity associated with the starry night sky
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Ra is sometimes said to die in Nut's arms in the evening or to be eaten by her ..and then with sunrise, emerge from her womb reborn and renewed

Links for solar bark of Ra, entering Nuts body and such will be provided next post;-)

extra credit to anyone who reads all this and then takes a class with me;-)

The Four Acts

Act One: Sunrise

At Sunrise: Aset (Greek Isis) and NebetHet- (Greek-Nephthys) are said to participate in Ra's re- birth (as they are believed to midwife all births) . Ra's birth often portrayed as a child who emerges from the waters of nun as or through a lotus

Sometimes Aset and Nebet Het are seen as Two mounds between which the sun rises
Infact the hieroglyph for this emergence of the sun at the HORIZON or AKHET is two mounds with a sun between them:)

Deities to include in picture-- Amun (creator deity associated with unlimited possibility , King of all Netjer(Hods),Aset & Nebet Het (possibly Nut )
Natural element Must-- Sunrise

Sunrise Marks the first moment of creation when all things are in right order.
This order is called Ma'at.

Strongly associated with sunrise is the lotus and baboons praising sun
Also the morning temple rites in which human Priests participate creation and ensuring Ma'at in all of Egypt each day

Links to pictures of above will be provided next post
(For those interested What parts of website will be under what category this will be posted in another post-- though this may not concern you directly)


ACT TWO: Mid day

At Midday As The Sun reaches its greatest strength it is strongly associated with the falcon or Hawk which has been Victorious
Here Heru (Horus) Heru is seen not nly as deity but the deity who makes the social and political order resonant with Ma'at an the cosmic order. It is a time despite the heat of great successful activity.. Here Ra and the other deities are in the prime of their life and activitity.

Priests do a very short Midday rite

We would like to see Heru (Greek Horus) ,Sekhmet(Greek Sakmet), and Djehuty(Greek= THOTH)

Links to pictures of above will be provided next post
(For those interested What parts of website will be under what category will be posted in another post though this may not concern you directly)

Sekhmet associated with healing and discipline toDO things and make them happen in service of Ra
and ounishingthose out of Ma'at
Djehuty I smost strongly associated with Learning and teaching and language (though also healing) and Heru With Kingship and social/political order

ACT Three: EVENING Sunset

The Evening Sun is associated with Atum linking it tto the myth of creation whereby the creator after much activity grows weary and the world begins to fall back towards the undifferentiated pre creation comdition --- the primeval ocean--the Nun
The Sunset then becomes symbolic of death as the suns body (ie RA and His Barque) passes into the realm of the dead or underworld called Duat

Deities we want here Here Atum and Nit
These -- Two of the only Netjer represented as OLD in art (even if they are said to be old in writings) Nit is said to be the Mother of all The Gods and is strongly associated along with Nebet Het with the passage to Death

Links to pictures of above will be provided next post
(For those interested What parts of website will be under what category will be posted in another post though this may not concern you directly)


ACT FOUR: NIGHT-- Sun Enters the Underworld

Here Ra and those with Him on His Barque will encounter all sorts of scary stuff and dangers...Yet Duat or Underworld is a place and a process of renewal. MUch like a swamp ..It is the place where things are reduced to their most esential elements and re organized
And as a result of this ..Life can emerge again..But first one must face dangers of the underworld and defeat the force which opposes the created ordwr and existence itself APEP re[presented by a stylized snake note many egyptian snake deities are good --THIS is not a deity and NOT good) Set defeats Apep
The Deity most associated with this Process of fermentation and new growth is Wesir (Osiris-Greek), Sometimes called King of the underworld strong comnnections to blessed dead

ANd between The Nght and THe emergence of the sun

WEPWAWET (Looks like Yinepu, Anibus -Greek) The opener of the way Leads the Barque toward the Sunrise in the East

----- Original Message -----

[rlevant]

So friends

Laugh


Before I post links to picture of the deities and solar barque and all...

Can I get some feedback as to whether I am giving enough information...
the right information and so forth


My list of what to add includes:

1. Colors prefs and cureent site

2. Links to pictures of figures for each of the 4 parts


Wha would be helpful here?

Thanks

Renee who thinks you all rock

[rlevant]

Hi can't sleep..Kelly's sheep are currently traveling on Ra's barque and I am counting them

(A reference to the writing life logo contest)


The Site: Current Site although much material is now outdated and had been rewritten and is ready to put up:)

Is here: Per Ankh: The Traditional Kemetic Religion (KTR) (http://www.per-ankh.org)

COLORS

That temple graphic is one I love..If it fits let's use it. I wil see if I can locate the higher quakity larger version o it on my desktop

The scarab in the sun has been used as our logo....along with that temple Picture

The colors in the temple picture would be terrific. I like its style a great deal

MOOD/IMAGE

We pride ourselves on being both progressive and traditional.
We are warm and welcoming..and yet we have hgh standards especially for our clergy

We have standards of training and scholarship comparable to the most intellectually and spiritually intensive seminaries

In our approach to religious experience we could be most easily compared toa deep mystically, heart and intellectually oriented Catholicism or a Tillichian Protestantism.

We oppose alien invasion theories and ideas about Ancient Egypt that do not square with the scholarly record.

Our instructors hold MA's and PhD's in their fields
And have been trained in religious service, ritual and spirituality


At the same time to be religious is to be in relationship to Netjer (the divine) TODAY and reponsive to needs of the contemporary world ..as the ancients were responsive to their time and place.

We believe that the divine is independent of any particular expression of the divine--of any religion..including our own faith tradition:) Yet we believe that religion requres a context and a culture and that it is in our community, in lives, in nature and in rite taht we most often encounter the divne/

We believe the key elements of the Ancient Worldview make for the best possible life :) One in balance and in Ma'at

[AlexKogan]

Wow...

Hi there, Renee :)

Deities to include in picture-- Amun (creator deity associated with unlimited possibility , King of all Netjer(Hods),Aset & Nebet Het (possibly Nut )


...that thing about "possibly nut" I can imagine vividly :D (sorry, couldn't hold it :) )

Seriously, a couple of questions:

Do you picture the main page as a completely illustrated portal which leads to the four different parts (which is what I gather from the above scripted) or does it have to have some additional text, introduction or maybe even a navigation bar/menu?

If it is a completely illustrated version, anyway it has to have some kind of presentation element, like your scarab emblem for example. Do you plan to add some kind of a slogan or something to it?

If it is a complex layout with both text and illustrations, do you like the layout form you have now (left side menu) or maybe you prefer some other form like top side menu, menu bar, bottom side menu?

Do the illustrations have to be properly illustrations or do you see them as sinthesized, symbol-like icons?

Cheers! ;)

[rlevant]

Hi guys!

Alex - you should hear what *WE* say about our at times!

But not about Nut...pronounced more like.......new- it . I won't tell you about the ones that would give REAL ammunition ;-)

Thinking on your questions (I am tending towards the answer--mostly graphically
a bit of text not a lot but let me sit on that for a few hours-- I have an idea word wise and will try to wrte it out--Basiclaly it would be a few short paragraphs connecting our temple to theJourney of Ra in His Barque and Inviti
ng them to Join us)

Meanwhile can you tell me what you mean by " presentation element, like your scarab emblem for example"

Do you mean a center of the thing of that which it is based around????

Jon-- HEY JON NO cowboy hats and NO shoot outs between Set and Heru
(imagining the famous battle between Set and Heru as a western. ..Oh well Aset just told me to stop--heh funny thing..in the Myth She did that with THEM as well-- although that was when they turned themselves into Hypo's and were holding their breath under water---Such a GUY thing!)

And don't start putting LIon dieties into those Pet sitting logos...you win rate coud be affected;-)

You guys might want to check out the candle project description . ..There will be a virtual temple of sorts conencted to each of the 4 sub parts

Great to see you both...very exciting for me

:flowers: :clap:

Renee

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Test first main page something Like This.. though it could be a javascript popup and not on the page if that would help in design...or it could be shortened despite my Aset-like tendencies toward the verbose:

Come with us as we participate in Re's daily journey renewing again the blessings of the first time (Zep Tepi). Even when we worship alone, we do in the knowledge that there are others whose work, like ours, helps keep the forces in balance and through Ma'at, expands the spiritual potential of all life.


What you will find here is a place for your participation in this process of worshiping, living, learning, sharing & serving that is part of our Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt (Kemetic Faith).

It is an exciting time for our faith and it is with joy that we offer the opportunity here for you to participate in our community and add your knowledge to its depths; we will all be the richer for your presence.

Perhaps you, too, will find something nourishing here, that will sustain you in taking your next step on the spiritual path.

Who knows? The Netjeru are alway full of surprises, while we share some of their wonder as their creation our imaginings are limited, and so we stand in awe of what may happen..join us on this journey
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we would put links from relevant words to explainations or site parts ..ie deity names or classes section etc)

[rlevant]

Ok so let me add some links to structure of inside pages idea


I know I did not really answer Alex on the first page yet --Please see post above on that:)


<br>Structure of Inside Pages

My first thought was something like the following:

Not Quite but close (http://www.siddhayoga.org.in/gurudev.html)

Good:
It would be easy to add links in the left coloumn and content in the rest</li> I like the graphical navigation..I could see using hieroglyphics sign/symbols that way</li> There is room for added links as we grow on top header</li>


Not so Good:

Nothing really bad layout wise...except it could be hard to add change header without having to commission some major work..and this next one would not ;-)

Though if it looked good Icould go with such a layout easily would serve our needs

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OK same group different layout:

subpage layout idea currently my prefered


Idea For subpage layout (http://www.siddhayoga.org/teachings-siddha-yoga.html)
Like the other layout:</li> It would be easy to add links in the left coloumn and content in the rest</li> I like the graphical navigation..I could see using hieroglyphics sign/symbols that way</li> There is room for added links as we grow on top header

BUT ALSO</li> Top Navigation could easily be the Journey of RA with the Sunbark Stopped at the secton (Sunrise, Midday, Evening, Night..Sunrise) </li> The Graphical element on the left can easily include both an egyptian illustration and nature based graphic or as they did a photo and it would olny require a change of graphic of simiiar size to create a whole additional template:)</li> A site search could be easily incorporated into the navigation or page</li>

[cre8or]

Hi Renee,
As I stated in your other contest I have intentions of at least participating in the illustrative portion of this contest. I need a little help. I apologize, but I am not familliar with alot of the Egyptian names, so I'd like to ask what everyone looks like... So I know what I'm seeing in my head:

I'll list who I know and what I believe they look like:

Ra -- A man, falcon
Aset -- woman with wings
NebetHet -- ??
Amun -- ??
Netjer -- ??
Nut -- a woman "bridge", the sky
Heru -- Falcon-headed
Sekhmet -- Lioness-headed
Djehuty -- Ibis-headed
Atum -- man with Pharoah crown
Set -- looks similar to Anubis, but with squared ears
Apep -- just a snake??
Wesir -- man ??
Wepwawet -- Jackal-headed

Do any of the ones that have (??) have animal heads?

I think this is everyone you mentioned.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Also... (a little off-topic)
Who has the Crocodile head? Soebek?
Who has the Hippo head?

Sorry if this sounds a little silly, but I need to get an idea of what everyone looks like so I can illustrate your story on paper. :)

Thanks in advance.
Kimber

[rlevant]

Kimber..
Not silly at all

Links coming :)

[rlevant]

Hello friends,
This should give you a great basis for anything you want to do egyptian graphics wise

Installment One:


Below you will find:


1. awesome artists site who did the temple graphic we use as theme for the our temple website and material
and that will really give the feel of some stuff I like a great deal

2.Links to good and accurate depictions of deities mentioned above

3.Links to barq images (you will see some already in the above)

4. Links to free and pay Ancient egyptian Glyphs and Hieroglyohic Fonts

I have numbered sections accordingly.

:et me know if link does not work and I will fix or replace


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1..Awesome Ancient Egyptian Gods and Art Siite
Especially beautiful Barq depictuon (without diety)
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1. An artists site who has allowed us to use much of her work on some of our sites in the past
created gave permission to have the suntemple for our logo and use:)
She uses the traditional ancient design elements but in a realy modern way

I especially like her barq of Ra so do check it out

First the Temples main symbol:

Our Temples symbol (permission from author Jenn Carrington:))
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/SunT...nTempleCard.JPG (http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/SunTempleCard.JPG)

colors I would prefer in site --probably :)


Take a look at her awesome art of ancient egypt:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/7916/ArtWorks.html

Major helpfu picts from walls of egypt


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2. Gods and Goddesses (Netjer-singular form of term for divine Netjeru plural)
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Temple of the Netjeru

http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/temple/index.html

Nut over the Barque of Ra:

http://www.directfromegypt.com/eposter/16M20.jpg



Sekhmet:
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/Sekhmet/

Wesir(Osiris) and Aset

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/7916/

scroll down to the guy with the green face that is him

Notice what is on Aset's head
It is the glyph for the THRONE

You can often know who is who by the hieroglph on their heads



Djehuty-THoth

http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/Thoth.JPGNit

Aset(Isis)

Ra http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/7916/rahorakhty.JPG





Amun/Amun-RA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...&category=10911 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3252346722&category=10911)

**** Follow this link for an awesome full color flash of creation and one of its myths including Atum's emergence from the Lotus..very attractive..and you will meet several of the gods and see sn awesome use of flash and clip art!

I like their lotus:)

http://www.mythicjourneys.org/bigmyth/myth...yptian_full.htm (http://www.mythicjourneys.org/bigmyth/myths/english/2_egyptian_full.htm)

Heru
here is Heru and Set crowning Pharoh

http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/Seti_1st_2.jpg

Set
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/seth1.jpg

Nebet Het
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/NbtHt/index.html

Notice Nebet het and Aset(Isis) bring up son toward bottom_
Look at her heid:) The glyph which means "lady of the house" a sort of cup


Classic Wewpwawet or Yinepu (Anibus) statue
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/inpw/index.html

At bottom scales of Ma'at at the weighing of the heart Djehuty at far right(Thoth) Ibis headed Man
Ynepu/Wepwawet inthe middle

Classical Depiction of Ma'at


http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/maat2.jpg

also look for lady with the feather glyph on her head;-) here:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/7916/

Hethert(Hathor)

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/7916/

Go to offering for Hathor...notice the horns and solar disk

http://membres.lycos.fr/nebetbastet/voyage.htm

Set destriys Apop on the Bark of Ra with Ra
http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/Set_...ls_Apophis2.jpg (http://www.nlpworks.net/falcon/images/Set_kills_Apophis2.jpg)

Note The snake is Apep
Ra is falcon heasded guy with the sundisk
Set is the animal headed God spearing Apep:)
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3. Barq Images:
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(remember
East--direction arque moves
West where Sun sets--ream of Wesir)

Barq of Ra and Night Sky motif:
http://members.aol.com/egyptart/ra.html


RA:http://www.panhistoria.com/users/www/TjetiPriest/re.html


http://www.chez.com/historel2/livremorts/b.../bookdead04.htm (http://www.chez.com/historel2/livremorts/bookdead04.htm)
http://www.millennia-designs.com/trolleyed...40/42/index.htm (http://www.millennia-designs.com/trolleyed/83/36/40/42/index.htm)
http://www.crystalinks.com/ra.html
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gavin.egypt/index.htm
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/timelines/to.../solarships.htm (http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/timelines/topics/solarships.htm)

http://membres.lycos.fr/nebetbastet/voyage.htm


Morning themes: Baboonsraise hands in praise o barq:
http://members.aol.com/egyptart/crea.html#hepr
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gavin.egypt/images/pa24.jpg

duat realm of dead:
RA
http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/funerary_pra...es/judgment.htm (http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/funerary_practices/judgment.htm)

http://membres.lycos.fr/nebetbastet/voyage.htm

modelbark in temple:http://members.aol.com/egypttour/denboat.html



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FONTS and DING BATES

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Egyptian fonts and Ding bats


Free Hieroglyphic Fonts:
http://www.dtcc.edu/%7Eberlin/font/hierogly.htm

http://www.jimloy.com/hiero/font.htm

For MAc Only:

http://babel.uoregon.edu/yamada/fonts/egyptian.html

ALMOST Free and Cool

http://www.greatscott.com/hiero/downloads.html

Better but cost money

http://desktoppub.about.com/gi/dynamic/off...roglyphics.html (http://desktoppub.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.deniart.com/hieroglyphics.html)

Cost Money some nice
http://www.p22.com/products/hieroglyphics.html

Best for Printing and such
http://www.linguistsoftware.com/lhier.htm

Fun and artistic:

http://membres.lycos.fr/nebetbastet/voyage.htm
http://www.tutonline.com

[rlevant]

Hi Kimber!

I love answering Ancient Egypt Questions..YOUR the ARTIST ..I'm the Priest who actually believes this stuff

You have gone against a strong principle of my faith tradition however.

WE oppose apologies for being inteligent, asking good questions, dong the right thing and so forth. And BOY is that a principle a lot of members seem to have to work to live up to ;)

Who has the Crocodile head? Soebek? Yup Sobek is associated strongly with the underworld :) Really popular in Ancient Times ..it is interesting that he is not among those more popular among the various kemetic and egypt inspired religions and egyptophiles


Who has the Hippo head?

That is Taweret. She did not have Her own temple but was among the MOST beloved in the popular religion. Strongy connected to childbirth and fertility

She is sometimes thought to be strongly related to or a manifestation of Hethert(Hathor)


I haven't done symbols but I dont want to do more of an information overload than useful.

Best

Renee

[rlevant]

More Barq's large and up close


http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/NVT...nte0169.jpg.wmf (http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/NVTech_ente0169.jpg.wmf)

This one would be assoictae dwith mornng as teh heron appears at sunrise

http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/NVT...ivi0128.jpg.wmf (http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/NVTech_divi0128.jpg.wmf)

you can see the heron at sunrise at my other site:

http://www.sekhemcollege.com

This is people in position called Dua or Praise/Worship/Veneration

This is the Morning Barque greeted by Baboon in Dua praise position

Note those ladies heads...the horned disk is Hethert(Hathor) and the feathered on top Ma'at

http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/Tru...fVoiceCOLOR.gif (http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/TrueofVoiceCOLOR.gif)

A nice Atum bt older than intheAM
http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/Atum1.gif

more

http://www.egyptianreligion.org/Design/funerary.JPG

Enough heh?

[AlexKogan]

A question, Renee:

Do the illustration have to be stylized to match the ancient egyptian drawings or they can be a somewhat more modern versions? Say, can I use perspective and 3D elements in the illustrations? Shadows? Shading?

As for the "presentation element", well, you want your site to be called somehow and be represented by a recognizable symbol or a phonetic set, I presume. In other words, do you need a logo for this site or do you probably have one? :) Note: What people usually call "logo" can be, in fact, different things. The typographical part is called logotype (whether the typography is altered or not), the graphical part is called emblem, the two things when go together are sometimes called combined mark. So, you'll most probably need a, well, "logo" for this site.

There're various things that can be done: we can just modernize a bit the existing scarab so it fits the rest of the project and then add the phonetic part, although it looks like a logo redesign, which wasn't included in the contest description :) You can put another contest for a logo, but it's cost-extensive. You can probably just say "whatever you put there will be Ok, as long as it's in harmony with the rest of the piece", but I guess it's to be discussed with the rest of the team :) There might be other solutions as well.

That wraps it up, more or less :)

Cheers! :)

P.S.
I'm probably exceeding my rights here speaking of what can be done, am I, Palmer? :) If so, I'm really sorry and am ready to apologize. :notworthy:

[Palmer]

I'm lost anyway so whatever :tup:

[rlevant]

<<Do the illustration have to be stylized to match the ancient egyptian drawings or they can be a somewhat more modern versions? Say, can I use perspective and 3D elements in the illustrations? Shadows? Shading?>>

Hi Alex! I love how seriously folks are taking this project.

The answer is the typical Kemetic(Ancient Egyptian ) answer to an either/or question:

YES

Short answer with a bit more content

Use of perspective, 3 D, Shadows and Shading would be just fine.

I do want it to relate to the tradition and be visualy recognizable as ancient egypt related...and of course be reverent



Longer answer with a lot more content


Looking around at art related to ancient egyptian I see stuff like the artist link I gave you...modern yet without the elements you mentioned

(And for my purposes if SHE were here that style could very very well win

But so could another.;-))

Then there are what for lack of better world thee 3D sexy full bodied wiccan looking take offs that I hate. Let me link to a few (I will come back and edit this post with links to the best of what I see ou there and do not liket

What is NOT out there...And I would know if it were out there ...
Are modernizations both respectful of the tradition like Jenny Carringtons..yet with the elements you mention

So if I could have both the spiritual depth and connection to tradition Jenny has...
And completely modern style with enough symbolism and such like trhe heiroglph onthe heads etc..to be clealry ancient egyptian

I could very easily go for it...and there would be a lot of interest in that I believe..well beyond my temple sort of folks!

BTW LOve your Henu :notworthy:....So appropriate that you would bow and put your head to ground in addressing your superior Palmer

What cultural sensitivity



:lol:

[rlevant]

WOW

Here is what I should have given FIRST for QUick easy identification of All the gods and goddesses

Sorry I forgot about the site and ran into it while searching for bad art :)

British Museum Ancient Egyptian Gods Page (http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/gods/explore/main.html)

Includes small clear pictures and the name

click and you get hieroglyphics and statue picts and a little text
It uses greek names but that should not be too much problem:)

Best

Renee

[cre8or]

Just a quick post... to let you know I'm still thinking about this one.
Just an initial sketch of Ra's barque... lot's more to come in the finished version.
;)


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[rlevant]

Very Cool

[cre8or]

Hi Renee,
Before I got too far, I'd like to show you what I had in mind...
for the main-page illustration.
1. I'm thinking big-ol image map
2. the "mural" will go counterclockwise: think North ,East, West, South:

N The sun will rise in the east,
W E travel north by midday,
S set in west, then the Duat is South.

I've started at the end of the tale, with the Duat.
I'll attach a close-up of the Duat portion of the illustration, then
a larger (more empty) view of how the layout should work.

I just wanted to show you where I'm coming from, as it may be considered "completely different" from more traditional Egyptian
visual story-telling.

Your comments are appreciated.
Thank you,
Kimber.


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[cre8or]

Here's the (potential) layout.

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[rlevant]

WOW

[cre8or]

I'll take that as a go-ahead to keep sketching away...
;)

[rlevant]

WOW

Terrific

One question...

Would it make sense to shift the position of the Bark with Set (whose defeat of Apep leads to sunrise)

And Nut (Who comes as evening ends.

Of course I may not know what your up to and you may have a plan that makes the story fit as is;-)

Best

Renee

[rlevant]

I do not know if thsi level of detail is helpful at this time

But I'd prefer if Wepwawet didn't have the pharonic garb on...just the Jackel head without that..and a little more of a longer pointer snout

minor stuff:)


wow

[cre8or]

Well... reading from left to right:

Sebek is there (only because I thibk he looks cool & is associated with the Underworld).
The Barque has Thoth, Set & Horus (no disrespect, I'm just more familliar with the Greek names). Set is slaying Apep.
Anubis is in the role of Opener of the Way.

And I must be mistaken in my representation of the gods, because that was supposed to be Osiris say goodbye to Horun as he dies, ready to be re-born
passing through Nut.

(Still to come on the other side of Nut)
SUNRISE -- lotus, baboons & horus fying into the morning re-born.

I'll check on Osirus again, to make sure he looks right. :)

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Nov 19 2003, 01:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Nov 19 2003, 01:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I do not know if thsi level of detail is helpful at this time

But I'd prefer if Wepwawet didn't have the pharonic garb on...just the Jackel head without that..and a little more of a longer pointer snout

minor stuff:)


wow [/b][/quote]
I'll strip Wepwawet in the final round. ;)



Isn't "Anpwu" another name for Wepwawet/Anubis?

[cre8or]

Hello Renee,
Here's a bit more of the story:

Baboons praising the sun, the lotus, Isis & Nepthys, Amun, and Horus soaring into the sun.

More to follow.


Wepwawet is still wearing the Pharaonic garb, but it will be removed in the final sketch. (Please bear with me).
:)


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[rlevant]

Kimber, this is wonderful. It is so amazing--how designers can have an image in mind and then make it visually alive. I can do that only with words.

This is an entirely different style from anything Rev Renee and I have ever seen before--bringing the ancient Gods into the present. There is such life here, even in Duat.

We know you will take the headdress off Wepwawet before you're done. :) We're not worried. The flight of Heru (Horus) into the sun is excellent. Having Amun (the Hidden One) in the background is right. Wesir (Osiris) saying goodbye to Heru is right. There is something very powerful about the way you have Wepwawet's body positioned--I don't quite have the words yet, but I'll try to think about what I mean.

In fact, the whole design has a compelling power to it. As Rev Renee asked me, Is Kimber sure she's not . . . er, Kemetic?

Oh, by the way, I'm posting this because Rev Renee is unable to say anything right now other than, "Wow! Wowsa!" and we figured you had heard that already. :)

Rev Sedgwick (who, like Rev Renee) is blown away

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Nov 20 2003, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Nov 20 2003, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...As Rev Renee asked me, Is Kimber sure she's not . . . er, Kemetic?

[/b][/quote]
Perhaps... in another life. ;)


Glad you like it all so far... I'll keep you posted on the progress.



Renee... tell that cat to give you back your tongue. ;)

[rlevant]

Kimber, a couple of design points.

First, there is such an emphasis on our faith on the beginning, the sunrise. So in the final version we would like that part of the design to be larger relative to the other parts. Right now Duat seems larger.

Second, the baboons need some work. They look a little like mice right now. They could be bigger, if you want, but not if that will ruin your design.

Rev Sedgwick (because Rev Renee is still sitting here saying Wowsa over and over)

[cre8or]

I'll keep all that in mind for the final.

Also, int he finished illustration, colour will have alot of play in it.
East, North & West will be brighter than the Duat, and therefore have more attention.

I agree the Duat is a little large in this compsite, and as I said, I'll keep that in mind in the final version.

Thank you for your feedback.
;)


PS. What exactly does "Hemet" mean? :)

[cre8or]

Another thing while I'm thinking of it.
What is the Vulture? I've see a vulture portrayed in Egyptian art, but I'm not entirely sure what he is.

An incarnation of Heru?


Another thought:

I'm not sure if this'll work or not, but would it be inappropriate to have arms/hands extending from the sun? (Aten) Not sure I'll use this idea, but I thought I'd ask anyways.

Kimber.

[rlevant]

Hi Kimber

Vultures are so cool:)

Actually not Heru or any males ..ever. The Egyptians actually though Vultures could ONLY be female heh

This was probably metaphorical they certainly knew about reproduction...

The word for vulture has within it --the word for Mother.

Vultures are unusual among birds in the longterm relationship they develop with their children. I finally understood this when on a hike I watched a Vulture and her two children...So nuturing and protective..yet so strong!

For these reasons they are most strongly associated with Mut (who was also a Lion) a deeply mothering netjer...and secondly but still strongly with Aset (Isis) Mother of Heru and protector of the throne:)

However, a little later on Vulture's became more generally associated with female netjeru.

And someone started pairing them off with scarabs (generally associated with male netjeru)

When it comes to Neith and also Ptah often they are represented by the two together--since thet are neither male nor female (although Neith or Nit is portrayed most as a women (older) and Ptah a man.

There were tons of different sorts of vultures and 4 characteristic poses represented in art....

If it would help I can see if I can find or scan in some for you.:)


The earliest is probably associated with powerful Kingship Together The Cobra and Vulture were the two ladies Nekhbet and Wadjet sometimes called the "Ladies of the Two Lands" with the Vulture representing upper egypt and the Cobra Lower egypt.\

These two appear in the Kings Name..so strong connection to Victorious Kingship


One cool depiction used a lot has the Vulture standing on a Shen ring (symbol of eternity) stamping out enemies of the King:)

Sometimes the serpent of the Uraus and The Vulture are used interchangibly (you will see some depictions of Aset with the vulture headress for instance

In flight the vulture is always Nekhbet

Other poses are hard to identify which Netjer is represented

On the Aten NAH hehehe Aten is OK but I'd rather nothave the sunrise strongly associated with Him...when a king really into him took over he made a mess of things
While we don;t blame Aten --we clearly draw on the other threads of Egyptian Mythology

Renee

[rlevant]

I know there is a scholarly site with the 4 poses but I can't find it

But I have other links for ya;-)

None spectacular if I find the site I was looking for or get unlazy and use my scanner;-)



pose on one wing fly one to protect whoever often the King or Heru
http://www.fabricdragon.com/Stamps/egyptia...ged_nekhbet.gif (http://www.fabricdragon.com/Stamps/egyptian/icaene0024-winged_nekhbet.gif)

http://www.rom.on.ca/egypt/graphics/wing_vulture.gif notice shen ring here

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http://members.aol.com/FyreWyngz/cbook/egypt33b.jpg
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/...am/nekhbet.html (http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/nekhbet.html)


http://users.skynet.be/kemi/nekhbet.jpg

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/nekhebet.htm

http://www.egyptianmyths.net/vulture.htm
http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/newegypt/...tm/re_uplow.htm (http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/newegypt/htm/re_uplow.htm) simple line drawing

http://www.virtual-egyptian-museum.org/Col...MM.00826.html&0 (http://www.virtual-egyptian-museum.org/Collection/FullVisit/Collection.FullVisit-JFR.html?../Content/MET.MM.00826.html&0) large statue head of Nekhbet

http://www.touregypt.net/museum/tutl36.htm pendant

http://ehippy.tripod.com/Vulture2.jpg

The real thing: Egyptian Vulture:
http://www.clevelandart.org/educatn/animal...s/evulturz.html (http://www.clevelandart.org/educatn/animals/evulturz.html)

[cre8or]

Thank you very much.


One of the only facts I know about vultures is: the reason they have no feathers on their head is so that they do not become infected with disease while poking it into carcases to feast on carrion. They have no feathers to trap bits of rotting flesh, therefore in turn, are mostly immune to the rot. They also have special enzymes which allow them to digest fetid meat.

For example: I heard of a torture from I think the middle-ages (now please forgive me, if I am mistaken... again, it's something I've only heard of, rather than researched myself) Where a piece of rotting meat was affixed to a "criminal" which in turn cause the "criminal's" own flesh to become fetid and rot.

Not a pretty picture, but vultures have no feathers on their heads to prevent this very thing. I did not however, realize they were so maternal.

Thanks, again.
:)

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Nov 20 2003, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Nov 20 2003, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...and secondly but still strongly with Aset (Isis) Mother of Heru and protector of the throne:) ...

...Sometimes the serpent of the Uraus and The Vulture are used interchangibly (you will see some depictions of Aset with the vulture headress for instance...

[/b][/quote]
I was thinking of using the vulture headdres on Isis, but opted to use the heiroglyphic for both her and Nepthys.

[rlevant]

Very cool:)


I missed one of your questions

hahaha

*ahem**

Hemet in the context you heard it is a term used in addressing the King often translated
"Your Majesty" probably more accurate would be "The incarnation"


It is occassionally used in our contemporary temple usually by members of the Priesthood to tease the highest two Priests when they think we are getting too comfortable with our roles

:rolleyes:

Best

[cre8or]

:tup:
Thank you.

[cre8or]

Hello Renee & Sedgwick,
Here's more progress...
introduction of Sekhmet & Thoth


I'm assuming the circles on Sekhmet & Thoth are representative of the sun, should Heru have the sun/cobra symbol on his head rather than the crown?

I was trying to show the high sun at midday.


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[cre8or]

Afterthought:
The scarab won't be the exact same scarab as I made for KemetOnline...
right now, he's just a placeholder. ;)

[rlevant]

WOW






That's My Mama!!!! :D :tup: :tup: :tup:

[rlevant]

<!--QuoteBegin-cre8or+Nov 20 2003, 09:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cre8or @ Nov 20 2003, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hello Renee & Sedgwick,
Here's more progress...
introduction of Sekhmet & Thoth


I'm assuming the circles on Sekhmet & Thoth are representative of the sun, should Heru have the sun/cobra symbol on his head rather than the crown?

I was trying to show the high sun at midday. [/b][/quote]
Em hotep! *bow*

Hi; I'm Wab Sandie, a junior priest in Per Ankh, Rev. Renee's temple. I am totally in awe over your artwork; it's amazing! It has such motion, life and character!

Thank you!

Senebty!

Wab Sandie

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Nov 20 2003, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Nov 20 2003, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Em hotep! *bow*
[/b][/quote]
Thank you, Wab Sandie.
I appreciate your praise.


:off:
Here's something a little off-topic.

You had said: Em hotep! What is that? (Followed be the bow, I'll assume it's flattering ;) ).

But would that phrase be the inspiration behind "Imhotep"? The Pharaoah's priest from the movie "The Mummy". (The new 90's version of the movie -- he was in love with Anuk Sunamun)

Please forgive me for flounting my ignorance.
Thank you.

[rlevant]

Ahh you had a question..


You might notice I have trouble answering while drueling...


Yes on the Disks on heads=sun. Hmmm..Heri Victorius the crown seems appropriate..

Generally to represent Midday sun and associated energies they put a winged disk on the uppermost border of the stella(writing)

the scrab seems a bit out of place there...I wonder if Ma'at or the feather of Ma'at (A white ostrich feather might work....but we also know you have a plan and probably know the dude the other scarab is holding place for ;-)


Best wowowowow

Renee

[rlevant]

Wab Sandy was using our ordinary greetings

Em Hotep is sort of like Shalom ...the meaning is actually in peace.

The <bow> or ::bow:: is a Cultural gesture of respect much like in many asian and African cultures.


The Mummy ROTFFLMAO...Good scenery! we just have to avoid eating and not take it too seriously remember it is pure fiction or we go nuts (not historically accurate heh)

Im hotep's name is indeed related... it means "The One who comes in Peace"

Best

R

[cre8or]

Right on,
Thank you.



Now, I feel like I learned something, today.



I'll be calling it a night soon, as I'm so ready for bed.
So I'll wish you all a good night, and I'll be back tomorrow evening.
:)

[rlevant]

oops

I said something really stupid:)

Thoth (Djehuty) is wearing the moon on his head

Not bad since you have him right before Evening :)

The moon is often represented as the full moon disk wiith the cresant moon

I can't believe I did that I know Djehuty is associated with the moon and its movement heh...so really he should be wth Nit


If you need other sun folk Hethert (Hathor) Cow would work well there...She is the other side of Sekhmet and often paired with Heru


And Djeuty and the moon disk (bagging head and knocking to check brains working) would fit better in evening with Nit and Atum

[cre8or]

okey-dokey

[cre8or]

Hello Renee, Sedgwick & Friends,
I think I've got it together (finally... hopefully...)
Here's the finished rough.

Please keep in mind, some of the gods appear a bit cartoony in this rough, but will look more "real" in the finished coloured version.

I thought the addition of Aker in the centre was appropiate as I understand he's Tomorrow & Yesterday.

When I hear word, I'll proceed with the finished piece.

Em Hotep.

Kimber.
:)

[rlevant]

WOW

OK I'll try WOW to say something WOW besides WOWOW


Uh I love it
:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Some of what we particularly love

The Bark coming back in raised by Atum</li> The Cow & Lion Netjer with Heru Look FAb</li> Aker in the middle is spectacular</li> Love what you did with Wepwawet</li> The bird flight indicating direction is awesome</li> The chanes you made in the Wesir and Heru area really work well</li> WOW it all looks terrifc together</li>

Just two requests:

1. Would still like if SunriseArea was larger in proportion to the rest
2. The baboons still look like mice to us...we tried to think about why... Part of it is seeing the backs we don't see the baboonish face, I think also the body seems shorter and rounder then babbons and their size relative tpo the people seem small

Not sure what you can do with that given location..but you can do anything Your the Pharoh foer gods sake :)

rev Sedgwick and I were teasing about whether we think anyone else will be competing here

**ducks*


:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

[cre8or]

If those are your only 2 concerns,
I'll proceed with the colour, and address them as I go.
If that's agreeable to you.

Please expect a bit of a delay in the colouring portion of the illustration.
I'm a little slow...

:)

[rlevant]

SLOW


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


You did all that in less than a week and you say you are *slow*



:lol: :lol:

[cre8or]

...and I haven't forgotten about your Flash...

[rlevant]

Also just a reminder that 4 pieces willbe used separately on pages of 4 sections;-)

I figure you remember but I want to make sure :)

[cre8or]

Since I'm thinking about the colour, now... why is Wesir green?

[rlevant]

So is Alex gonna compete wit h you on the flash..

or have they seen your work and given up!!!!! :unsure:

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Nov 22 2003, 03:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Nov 22 2003, 03:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also just a reminder that 4 pieces willbe used separately on pages of 4 sections;-)

I figure you remember but I want to make sure :) [/b][/quote]
I've had that swimming around in me head the whle time... some parts might need slight rearrangement, but they should work fine. ;)

[rlevant]

Wesir can be black or really dark brown like darker than the others or he can very often be green:)


He is the power than enables that slow reliable steady process of growth from deep within the earth. "Kemet" literally means the Black Land..referring to the soil after innundation and carries connotations of fertility and regeneration and is the color of the underworld. The word for black is "kem"

Green came from malachite and the term for green "wedj" actually contains a green stem of a papyrus plant and umbel...it has also very positive connotations of fresh growth, stability and resurrection vigor and regeneration.

The key being resurrection..thus sometimes the faces of the dead in coffins were painted Green to signify their "becoming Wesir" and by identification with Wesir to help bring about their rebirth

More than ya needed huh? :)

Best

R

[cre8or]

Not at all, that was a great explanation.
The dead being green, would then explain wy Ptah is also green.


I think I'll make him green.

[rlevant]

:tup:

[rlevant]

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[/b][/quote]
Sandie again...

Kimber, I keep checking back to see the next part; your work is awesome!!!!! It flows together so well, and the forms of the Netjeru are wonderful! I was really impressed with your use of color on the scarab, and I'm really looking forward to seeing this piece in color, too. Checking back and seeing new additions is like Christmas! :lol2:

Renee, I think the reason the baboons still look like mice is because of the ears. Baboons don't have ears like that. Baboon ears are typically a lot smaller in proportion to the head, and in some species, they're completely obscured by the fur on the sides of the head. Juveniles and infants have much larger ears in proportion to the head. Also, baboon ears are not so round; they're more triangular. Baboon ears are also further down on the head, like people's ears. :lol: The biologist strikes again... :D I hope this helps!

I think the shading you added on the baboons, Kimber, will help a lot to distinguish them as baboons rather than mice. :) Again, just amazing work; thanks so much!

Senebty!

Sandie

[cre8or]

Hi Renee,
Just wanted to pop in and let you know I'll be posting some colour... probably tomorrow. Sorry about that, but I told you I'm slow. ;)

[rlevant]

That's slow???????


:lol:

As Wab Sandy said Takes us that long to draw a stick figure ;)

[cre8or]

By some definitions. ;)


I'm so far behind sometimes, I think I'm first. :)

[cre8or]

Hi there,
just to show you where I'm at...






told ya ;)


** image removed **

[rlevant]

Oh Man

Rev Sedgwick can't talk this time

Thats Them!!

Anything I 'd say after that is so lame.



There is one thing I should say but feel awful saying it

Sekhmet traditionally wears red or white but She is THE ONE associated with Red

Like BIG TIME associated. So that all Priests wear white in rites EXCEPT Sekhmet priests who wear red on ritual occassions


WOW

That is so awesome it's hard to keep looking at it...I want to put it on my Shrine!!

WOW

[rlevant]

and I did not think you COULD beat the scarab in color! :o

[cre8or]

I knew it!

All the time I was thinking Sekhmet should be red... but of course the other half of my brain was saying "but Hathor is associated with Love".


........
I can fix that...


:bash:

[cre8or]

Okay, here are the new dresses.
As they should be.

Also, to help ease the burden on DO, I've removed all previous pictures, except for the complete sketched layout.
I'll also be removing the previous pictures with each new posting.
Thank you,
K.

[rlevant]

:yes: :clap: :tup: :king:

[rlevant]

T shirt1 T Shirt! Tshirt!




:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:


:D

[Palmer]

Stunning :o :notworthy:

[designmarket]

Palmer,, couldn't Kimber please please leave the colour images as they develop.. please please :D

I'm showing everyone her talent.

[annia]

:woot: :woot: :woot:
when I am grown up I want to be like kimber :D

[Palmer]

I didn't tell her to remove them. I don't mind if she puts them back up, I'd love to see them too. :tup:

[designmarket]

You heard the boss Kimber :P

[cre8or]

You da Boss, P.
I'll leave eveything from now on.




:blush:

[rlevant]

:D :phone:

calling folks to come back and look again!


though we can only take so much :blink:

Overwhelming

[cre8or]

Okay, okay, now I'm pandering to the masses... ;)
Here's a quick progress post, while I go back to the drawing board.

[rlevant]

Oh my, Kimber! This is soooooo beautiful! The sketch was mind-boggling, and I couldn't imagine how you could make it more spectacular in color--but you have. Wow! I love it, and our whole Temple is going to love it too. So far we've only let a couple of people see it, and they are sworn to secrecy! :lol: :lol:

Rev Sedgwick (who is finding this progressive revealing of the design to be wonderfully fun)


and Rev Renee says:


WOW

[cre8or]

Okay then, some more fun ;)

[rlevant]

This is Renee

Sedgwick has one hand on her heart and mouth wide open after saying twice
"Oh My, Oh My"


I am coherent. I can say something meaningful

WOW

[cre8or]

:blush:

[rlevant]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eagle]

*
Indeed...absolutely stunning! :notworthy:

[cre8or]

Thank you. :)
Here's some more...

[Palmer]

Is anyone going to give Kimber some competition? :lol2:

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Nov 30 2003, 01:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Nov 30 2003, 01:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Is anyone going to give Kimber some competition? :lol2: [/b][/quote]
Shhhh


;)

[rlevant]

WOWSA

:wee: :sideways:


:tup:

[cre8or]

Sebek's added

[rlevant]

Oh my, Kimber--it's hard to think of anything else to say. I've about used up all my words of amazement. Better consult my dictionary pretty quick, eh?

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Rev Sedgwick

[rlevant]

(Sandie dropping in again...)

Ooooooh....preeeeeeetty! *pets monitor*

*drool* :D

Seriously, Kimber, your work is jaw-droppingly fantastic! Thank you! :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

Sandie

[cre8or]

Just a quick check-in before I retire for the evening
;)

[Palmer]

This is like getting the opportunity to watch Leonardo Da Vinci paint the Mona Lisa. I'm awestruck :mellow:

[rlevant]

WOW

Nah not like Mona Lisa

More like watching the Sistine Chapel being painted :o

[AlexKogan]

Kimber.... :mellow: :o :woot: :rip:
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
You're awsome. Dixi. :flowers:

[Eagle]

*
I get the feeling Kimber is about to update...I can't wait!!!



ah...maybe not... :(

[rlevant]

My blood pressure and heart beat rate just went waaaay up reading that Eagle!

I bet I lost some weight getting all excited!


Imagine how much we will all have lost by the end of this!


Renee

[cre8or]

Okay...
I didn't have alot of time, but I managed to get Apep into the picture...

[rlevant]

oh wow

APEP lOOKS EVIL


Gosh I :wub: ...

[PancakeMail]

could you do something like this, but instead of an Egyptian theme, with a Pancake theme? :D

[cre8or]

maybe ;)

[Palmer]

<!--QuoteBegin-cre8or+Dec 5 2003, 02:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cre8or @ Dec 5 2003, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> maybe ;) [/b][/quote]
Translation: Show me the money :tup:

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Dec 5 2003, 02:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Dec 5 2003, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Translation: Show me the money :tup: [/b][/quote]
Palmer, I see your speak "cre8or-ish".
;)

[rlevant]

Yes ! The Pancake theme has potential


two ideas


1. a. On one side A group of viking at a table with cans of Hormel Spam eating spam eggs and such...SpamMailman comes to door....

Vikings covered with Spamilled fashion Mail

b. On the other side Ancient Egyptians eating a pancake meal in an orderly Ma'at fashion...Mailman comes and delivers neat stuff

or perhaps the second scene could be the last supper with the disciples eating pancakes---no spam


The second idea is a little different
It would be set up as a mural with 4 parts
Theme: Pancakes Supporting Quality (Spam free) Communications Through the Ages


It would begin in ancient times, go to medieval, to present and final to the idealic future where Spam is no longer servered with mails oh I meant meals
because PANCAKE MAIL has grown in the internet..and hormel is out of business

:tup:

[rlevant]

On request I would be glad to provide links to appropriate resources through the ages

For instance the Monty Python Spam Sketch and audio anti-spam song for the audio for your new website

hmm or even tshirt




:D

[rlevant]

WOW

I don't know how many more of this quality contests we could handle

I just had one of our priests in training call to say their heart was palpitating so fast in expectation of a possible cre8or post ..they it was impossible to do the required evening rite!

Rev Sedgwick gave the student sage advice. Of course she failed to mention to the candidate that we at the main temple had the same problem!!!

shhhhhhhhhh ;)

[cre8or]

Here's a bit more...
;)

[Eagle]

*
Hi Kimber...out of interest, what rez are you doing this at? 72?...300?

'Tis way cool B)...!
*

[cre8or]

It's 300 @ a print size of 22 x 29

[Eagle]

*
Nice! B)

[rlevant]

WHOA :tup:


She tricked us! She doesn't usually make posts after 10:30!

What a surprise this AM hehehehe :tup: :tup:

[rlevant]

:wub: Just Peaking........

[cre8or]

Hello Renee,
It's been a little crazy around our house.
I'm hoping to have something posted tonight sometime.
:)

[rlevant]

Howdy

don't sweat it..

I really was just peaking (not nagging)

I sure have had some pf the "crazy" lately myself;)

Best
Renee

[cre8or]

HELLO!
And HAPPY NEW YEAR!


I didn't forget about this... I just took some well-deserved time off ;)


It's still not "finished". (But real darn close)
You may see some bits of white scattered throughthe whole thing -- they've got to be cleaned up. Also, since this illustartion was done in "bits", there needs to be some adjustment to the colouring. Then to finish it up, I'll play with shadows/highlights to make everyhting look "whole".


This piece should be finished up by the end of the weekend.
Hope you had great holidays!
:)

[rlevant]

:notworthy: :palmer: :notworthy:


WOW


gotta go to bed but a Priest in Training is out visiting and all jaws are dropped.!!!!

Better than anything anyone in the world could do :)


One question did get asked:

Some wondered if the right side was a little too busy looking..if maybe just adding some space on that side would make it easier to see the figures


(and if not..we will be thrilled with it in its awesome current state;-))

WOW....


Rev Sedgwick said:
"Oh My"

Andy said: Nothing at all just dropped jaw and will probably appear here to do a contest for some musician clients who need something wowish:))


WOW

[hheine]

I couldn´t find the right smiley for this.

Problably something near would be:

:o + :blink: + :tup: + :D + :wub: + :woot: + :notworthy:

[rlevant]

Hi there!

As we come toward the completion of this masterpiece...let me ask..

Creator--Am I correct that you will also be doing the main and content page? :)

A few thoughts on the template

1. The most obvious is given the masterpiece heh the front page will need to be a LOT less wordy than the blurb I provide above ..but the idea the same

2. Should I list links that need to be on the pages and on the navigation bar?

3. A question was raised by Alex early on as to whether I should have another contest to have the logo redone..or perhaps something like the current one updated to fit the illustration style and such....

I tend to think I should do this ..or better, if she is game add $75 to the King/ Pharoh-Creator
For a new logo or a revision of the old one

The words of the Logo would be
Per Ankh : The Tradtional Religion of Ancient Egypt

Slogan: Letting Ma'at Ascend

Perhaps it could be set up in a way that would be used as a header below the nav bar on inside pages? (just an idea)

Creator Let me know if you are game and if so I will add the new money to this contest:)



(Specific ideas on template which may or may not still apply given the awesomeness of the illustration at the threads beginning


Best

Renee

[cre8or]

Hello Renee,
I do believe I am "game". ;)

As far as logo revision goes, are you talking about the scarab in the sun?

<img src='http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/egypt-0090.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


I can do that -- I can redo it int he same "airbrushed" style as the opening illustration.


As things go, it's still stupid around my place, and I haven't had the time I need to make everything "right". I'll show you what I mean:

On the LEFT: Before detailing ---> The RIGHT: After detailing

<img src='http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/details.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


The detailing is what I was hoping to have finished by the end of the weekend, but it now looks like I'm a victim of time. I'll work on it in the spaces that I have available to me. Sorry for the delay. :( I'm looking forward to having this finished probably as much as you're waiting to see it finished. :)


Regarding the site template:
-- A list of links for Nav-bar would be a good idea.
-- For page-related graphics (main header-type graphics) I was inteding to re-use the relevant images from the main illustration. Maybe treat them a little differently, but re-use them anyway. For example: If you have a page on your site for "Morning" I'll reuse the portion of the illustration that has NebetHet and Aset, the baboons, and Amun with the rising sun/Horus.

[rlevant]

Sounds Great:)

Redoing that in the other style and adding words would be great
and given YOU if you have another idea heh...we would be game for that..either way is terrific

And much as we are dying to see it finished..Again we get the value we are getting here and are not even a little concerned :rolleyes:

Things have been nuts here as well. I have had to move hosts and such, had a drive crash and so forth


Just make sure the pieces are tshirtable...you should see what my future wardrobe looks like... ;)

Hey you may end up designing a line of kemetic clothing...I wonder if I can put one of your illustrations on my new navy Ann Taylor work suit?

Copies from my printer are already on all our shrines at my house (main temple)


Man WOW textured yinepu is unbelievable

This is like a dream

Best

Renee

[cre8or]

Thank you for your patience... it's appreciated, believe me. :)


Drive crash, eh. <_< Those really stink.
I been there.


Well, I'm off now, to return to working.
TTYL,
K.

[rlevant]

Take Care


Palmer..I just added $75 for the logo redesign :)

[Palmer]

Received. Thanks. :tup:

[rlevant]

Man you are fast :o

[rlevant]

OK Here are the text links for the nav bar
(Text links are best for search engine purposes if possible)


Nav Bar Headings

For "Morning"

HetNetjer
Our Temple


For "Noon"
Kemet
Our Community

For " Evening"

Sebayut
Teachings/Learning

(ohh goody Djehuty is the right one for learning coolo)

For "Night"

Dua
Rites & Worship

[rlevant]

If possible here are other links I'd like on main page

Home
What's New
Temple Market
Join Mail List



across bottom:

More Info: Contact Us (link)

For more great resources on the religion of ancient Egypt and the Netjeru:

Visit The Kemetic Traditional Religion (KTR) Network, (http://www.KemetNet.org)

Kemet OnLine! Kemetic Community Forum : http://www.kemetonline.com
Sekhem College: http://www.sekhemcollege.com
True of Voice: http://www.trueofvoice.org
Per-Sekhmet: http://www.per-sekhmet.org
Aset'sTemple Kemetic Traditionalist:www.hetaset.org:
Shrines to Netjer: http://www.houseofnetjer.org
NLP Works: http://www.nlpworks.org
A Writing Life : http://www.awritinglife.org

@2001-2004 Per Ankh: the Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt

[cre8or]

Okay...
I'm still workin' ont he detailing, but here's how it's going...

I'll have a idea for your other illustration needs soon.

[rlevant]

WOW

[cre8or]

As promised (finally). ;)

The illustartion has gone through a bit of a metamorphoses, in that upon looking at it yet again, I agree that it was too busy on the right.
So, to compensate, I removed Amun and Horus leaving the Duat.
I believe it now has an even "flow".

I'll be working ont he site design now.
<img src='http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/pharaoh2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Palmer]

That is without a doubt, the single most impressive design this site has ever seen. Kimber you have a gift most of us could only dream of. Awesome doesn't even come close to a good description of how great that masterpiece is. :notworthy: :cre8or:

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Jan 25 2004, 03:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Jan 25 2004, 03:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That is without a doubt, the single most impressive design this site has ever seen. Kimber you have a gift most of us could only dream of. Awesome doesn't even come close to a good description of how great that masterpiece is. :notworthy: :cre8or: [/b][/quote]
Thank you very much for your praise, Palmer (and my very own smiley :cre8or:)
I'm very happy you like it.

[rlevant]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::cre8or:: ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::cre8or::

[designmarket]

Just beautiful Kimber! That's got to be an award winner out there in the wider design world as well....thanks for allowing us all to see your progress as it developed as well. I certainly ain't gonna bow down to no pharoh but here is flower for you :flowers:

[rlevant]

Oh my, Kimber. The only problem I'm having right now is that both Rev Renee and I are crying and really can't write any words that come close to how we're feeling about this design. But we will later.

:notworthy: :notworthy: :cre8or: :notworthy: :notworthy:

PS Rev Renee posted a fuller bow, but it didn't come out. We'll fix it when we are able to function better.

Rev Sedgwick

-- Andy, Wab Sandie, Jen and Llyne: Are you here? Are you able to say anything intelligible?

[rlevant]

::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::cre8or:: ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::cre8or::

Fixed

And for those who wont bow to our beloved Pharoah
Here are some religious and secular bowing options:

First for Palmer:

::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/jesus.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

For Muslims:

::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> MECCA THIS WAY>>


For secular creative types: Kimberly You are AMAZING ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/praise.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/Wizard.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> :

For Jewish Folk:
:kiss: ::<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/torah.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[designmarket]

LOL you are a wag rev :D

[rlevant]

A "WAG?"

huh?


ME?
<img src='http://www.oracleweb.org/images/cat.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Palmer]

Lol. Thanks Rev :lol2:

[Acdolph]

To quote Rev Sedgwick - OH MY!!!!

amazing, powerful, incredible.

I particularly love the depiction of Nut.

But then again - I particularly love all of it. Such a beautiful balance now!


:clap: :clap: :clap:

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :cre8or::notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:


Andy (Per Ankh Priest Canidate)

[rlevant]

Palmer pointed out that a winner had not been announced officially for the illustration portion of this contest.

It is really hard. We do not want the contest to end :(


We could not post anything except silly icons till around now because we have felt so really overwhelmed at the idea that such an unbelievable masterpiece will be the main image projected of our religious faith and temple!

I cannot possibly described how much this means to us. Our temple is only 3 years old but growing at a rate that is rather hard to handle at timies. We have very high standards and wanted this religious professionalism, scholarly seriousness and spiritual depth and aliveness to be reflected in how we presented ourselves online.

We never dreamed anything on this level.

Palmer says it is the single best work here. I believe it is the single best work on Egyptian Mythological art anywhere. And I must admit I feel some pride at having articulated my vision of the mystery of the divine as expressed in the solar cycle and put togetehr a plan to express that in a way that allowed Kimber to work her magic fully.

Someone else could have done a wonderful illustration that we would have been very proud to have. There is a difference though. One I mentioned privately to Kimber.

Kimber was able to step inside the mystery and portray it in all its depth and power as someone of our faith would experience the mystery in its fullest and bring it to life with great creativitythat moved well beyond mere technical excellence to animage both connecited deeply to the tradition and yet very much her own....and contributing something to the inderstanding of the myth and religious experience portrayed

Kimber, Dua Netjer en etj

(Thank God for you)

Oh and Kimber ::cre8or:: wins the illustration contest part of the contest

(and we still get to see the template and log though so never fear folks the show does go on :tup: :tup:

[cre8or]

Hello again.
Thank you all for your wonderful praise.

Now, on to the template design:
To be perfectly honest, I'm not much of a template designer.
But here: The Journey of Horus (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/home.htm) you can start to navigate your site.
The splash page is just a big imagemap. You can roll your mouse over each area of the day and go to that section.
From then on, it should all be self-explanitary.
The "dummy" text used for each portion of the day was your original description of the story of Ra's Barque.

This is a fully-navigatable design.

Before I forget: your logo:

<img src='http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/logo.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

appears in the footer, with the © statements.

Please advise.
:cre8or:

[rlevant]

ADVISE????!!!!!!!!!!

You mean besides sayng that this is way more than we expected or asked?

And WOW

??

And OH MY?

And

The Winner is ::cre8or::

PAY HER!!!!

OH mY

OH HHHHHHHHHHHHH

[rlevant]

The one thing I woud ask is for the Text of the Temple Name and slogan

To go with the LOGO and on the side of the splash page

and maybe an Begin The Journey Link to Morning on the side of the picture so they know there is a page


WOW

And it will be easy to add pages and links wonderful!

Here is the Text:

Per Ankh: The Kemetic Traditional Religion


Letting Ma'at Ascend

[cre8or]

Okay!
I've made your requested changes:
To the SPLASH PAGE (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/home.htm)
(It think I incorporated your logo nicely, if I amy say so myself.)

And made the change to MORNING (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/morning.htm)
I added your logo to the left-hand side navigation, again with plain test (for indexing). And made the logo in the footer smaller.

Hope its all good.

PS. I only made the change to the "Morning" page, rather than all pages.
But it's easy enough to do.
:cre8or:

[hheine]

KIMBER: WWWWWOWWWWW

ok.... only with w´s:

www (http://www.openmarket.com.br/DesignOutpost/rlevant/wow)

:lol2:

[cre8or]

:tup:

[rlevant]

Hi there!

Sorry about the slow (for me) response. I was talking to my people (who are all rather thrilled)


So 2 very small things...two bigger things and a question:)


Really small things first:

1. In the Logo the letters "T" in Traditional and "R" in Religion should be capitalized.

2. The solar disk should be clickable so that people who click there or the logo will get inside the website:)

Ok The two bigger concerns we have are these:

1. There is some concern that it is not obvious that one clicks the design parts to get inside

I have seen sites where the image map is done in flash so that when the mouse is over a section it is clear that it is a image map/navigation thing

2. A question about the load. If the above is possible that might handle the load...
Also will the header work in 800 resoution? If not perhaps the above suggestion would solve that


A question:

I keep debating back and forth whether I absolutely LOVE the logo integrated into the solar disk...or whether I would really want it in the White Space

I have gone back and forth between 100% clarity one way...and then the other.

What do you think?


Best

R

[cre8or]

Right now, with the logo in the solar disk, the entire image is 800px wide.
If ther logo was placed in the white space, it would shove everything over, and the user may have to scroll over to see the entire picture.

But, it's up to you.

I think I may be able to create a roll-over effect that may make "clicking" a little more obvious.
:)

[rlevant]

I think I may be able to create a roll-over effect that may make "clicking" a little more obvious.


Cool. Will that also help the load?

[cre8or]

Okay, if by the "load", you're referring to how fast the image loads, this is the scoop:

The original JPG image was 451Kb.
The new Flash splash page is 237Kb, so it should improve the load by almost half.

Other than that, I'm not exactly sure what I can do. :unsure:

You can click here, to see the new FlashSplash (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/home.htm)

:)

[cre8or]

Sorry for any confusion...
the "links" int he Flash are now working,
and connect to the rest of the design.

[rlevant]

Hi! This is Rev Sedgwick, and I love, love, love the finished design. To borrow a phrase from Rev Renee--Wow! :tup:

It seems to me that there are a couple of goals we're trying to reach now. We want to preserve the spectacularness of the illustration, and we want to make the site easily accessible--that is, make it easy to know how to enter.

Clearly, the Begin Journey at the bottom is great.

We want to ask for your real opinion about the following ideas. What if the logo is also clickable, although without a white line appearing, taking you to the first page, just as Begin Journey does? And what if the illustration is clickable, too, leading into the different sections, but without the white line appearing that delineates each section?

I'm thinking that if I came upon this site, my instinct would be to click the logo. When I get to a site without an obvious Enter or something, I move the curser over the design and see what happens. But clicking the logo is my first thought.

So, Kimber--keeping these two goals in mind, preserving the illustration and maximising the way in--what do you really think is best? Your honest opinion, now.

Also, the reduction in load because of the flash is great. Thanks.

Rev Sedgwick

[rlevant]

Just to add one point to the discussion--

I think part of the design that is particularly special is that the site is well
organized but not linear.

Someone CAN enter at any "time of day".

:) Rev Renee

So yeah Kimer be a tiny bit like our Sean..what do YOU think?

[cre8or]

<!--QuoteBegin-rlevant+Jan 27 2004, 11:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rlevant @ Jan 27 2004, 11:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
...There is some concern that it is not obvious that one clicks the design parts to get inside

I have seen sites where the image map is done in flash so that when the mouse is over a section it is clear that it is a image map/navigation thing

[/b][/quote]
The reason for the white glow was in response to Rev Renee's concerns, above.

You can compare the two splash screens here:

WITH GLOW (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/home.htm)

WITHOUT GLOW (http://www.kimberart.com/clients/egypt/template/home2.htm)

The logo is clickable in both samples.

Personally, I agree with Sedgwick in that even the newest web user will "click the logo" if they're lost.

In my humble opinion, I prefer the non-glow version of the illustartion, as I think the glow takes away from the initial impact of the illustration. Although, new users can see that "something's happening" in this verision.

Personally, I don't like the glow.

But, ultimately, it's up to you.
You would have a better idea as to your visitor's web-savvy than I would. :)

[rlevant]

Chuckle (Rev Sedgwick was quoting me on that one :))

Yeah I hate the glow..messes with the design...The Clickable winged disk and words on the bottom should do it :)


The flashed version does make it load a lot faster though I hate loosing the quality..
The quality of the flash splash is still AWESOME:)


One thing I hate I will write in my next post

[rlevant]

We hate that this contest is over!

Its been so awesome to watch.!!!


Maybe I will have to come up with another story cycle that needs a masterpiece!!!! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:


WOW

It is just amazing Kimber

[cre8or]

It was a pleasure working on this project with you.
Now, all your visitors can enjoy the finished product.

I'll pack it up for you.
:cre8or:

[rlevant]

:tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

All Hail :cre8or::

[rlevant]

I have to echo Rev Renee's words:

The non-glow version is much better and preserves the beauty of the illustration.

We hate that the contest is over, because it has been so exciting to watch.

Yippee for :cre8or: :wub: :tup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :party: :wub:

And many, many thanks!

Rev Sedgwick

[Acdolph]

On my way out the door to work - but I've got to agree with Rev Renee!

ALL HAIL :cre8or:

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

you've done something truley amazing!

(and I think you can stop saying that your not much of a template designer!!)

Andy