"New Guy" needs a new logo *Project Over*

[earwood]

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Designers...please help....

I've been at this new job for about 5 months now...and I continue to lament the fact that our youth ministry has no real identity of its own. :help: Another youthworker turned me on to your site...and I'm very impressed by the work I've looked at so far...I'm hoping you can help me. The "tag line" that has been used in the past is "Unmasking the Son." That doesn't need to be a part of the logo...but hey, I'm game.

The name of our youth ministry is: Eclipse Student Ministries. We could debate the theological implications of an "eclipse," which typically blocks the sun (or, in our case, the SON) from view, but I've come to embrace the name.

We are the youth fellowship of the First United Methodist Church in Holland, Michigan. The "home church" information doesn't need to appear in the logo, but I'm willing to entertain any and all design options you want to toss my way. We'll weed them out as we go along.

I'm not looking for anything too "loud." Edgy is fine, but I'm looking for a general-purpose design that's equally at home on posters, letterhead, business cards and t-shirts. Graphic and edgy...yet understated. Something with "punch" that catches people's eyes and attracts their attention without blowing them away from a distance. Does that make sense?

Originally, I had a mental picture of a total eclipse from which the rays of the corona were gathered into the four points of a cross. Perhaps the words "Eclipse Student Ministry" or the letters ESM would appear somewhere. Maybe not. Maybe something about "a ministry of First UMC, Holland, Michigan" would make it's way in. I don't want to get too specific here...because I don't want to put limits on your creativity. Go crazy. Send me your ideas...I'll provide feedback and we'll go from there.

If you'd like, I can forward an image of the mural that adornes one wall in our youth room. But I'm not married to that image, either. Let me know when and if you need more info.

Thanks!

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Welcome to DO!! If you could, pass along the mural. I will be working on some designs for you.


Jayson

[earwood]

Thanks, Jayson... Here's a digital pic of the mural in the Youth Room...which, incidentally, is also called "The Eclipse."

Like I said, I'm not necessarily married to this image...although it is cool, it doesn't say much about the fact that we're a student ministry. But, like I also said before, I'm open to pretty much anything. If you could "cool-ify" this thing...maybe spice it up or put a slightly different spin on it, I'd love to see what you can come up with.

peace,
t

[Mowling]

Here is a Go at it Bro. Todd

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Here is my first pass at it. Let me know what you think.

Jayson

[earwood]

whoa...that was quick.

Jayson... I'm intrigued by your design, but it looks to me like the cross is in "orbit." Do you think you could rework it? Also, I think I like the horizontal layout better than the vertical, but I like the predominantly black color scheme.

Mowling... This is good stuff, too...although I'm not crazy about either the font or the color schemes. Could you switch stuff around and send me some other ideas?

Also...and this might sound really picky, but the plural "ministries" is important, since our approach consists of more than one ministry. So, if you could make sure to incorporate that, I'd appreciate it.

I had a chance to chat with my Youth Ministry Team tonight about logo development. They thought that it would be nice to add something about the home-church affiliation. I'll leave the verbiage up to you, but something along the lines of "a ministry of First UMC, Holland, Michigan" might work.

Here's another idea...
While I was checking out other designs, I saw what y'all did for the folks at St. Mary's Aglipayan Congregation...that post-mod line-drawing rendition of the saint...sound familiar? Anyway, giving the Eclipse mural the same kind of treatment might be cool...then again, who knows....

Go crazy! I look forward to seeing what comes next

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Here is some quick changes I made. The "cross" had a couple of meanings. One - a cross :lol2: , and two - its supposed to resemble that last burst of light that shines out from the eclipse. I attached a picture to show what I was going after. Let me know what you think. I will also post some more ideas this afternoon.


Jayson

[earwood]

Jayson...

I'm with you on the Cross design. I get it...but the way it is now, it looks to me more like the cross is a "star" that orbits around the white ring. I think it might help to try two things:

1. Rotate the ring 90degrees counterclockwise so that the Cross appears to be coming out of the fatter part of the ring--y'know?

2. Orient the cross so that the longer points of the cross are at 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 and 9:00; that way, it'll look more cross-like (rather than star-like).

As for the cross itself, I think I liked the brighter color scheme better (from your earlier version). I hope you don't think I'm being too critical...because even affter saying all that, I still like the overall design...and I REALLY like the gothic-look of the double-cross design. It's very cool. Nice work. :tup:

Thanks so much. I look forward to seeing your other design(s) later today!
peace,
t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Not being too critical at all! It definitely helps when you can let me know what you like - don't like, want to see - don't want to see - it's all good! Here are the quick changes you wanted. I'll be working on the others.


Jayson

[Mowling]

Alright Bro. Todd...here is another one

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Couple other ideas.

Jayson

[earwood]

I just love seeing new ideas! This is great. Here's some feedback.

Mowling:
I'm liking these more than your previous post...here's why: I dig the eclipse graphic. I think I like it more in the first one, the "stacked" version, because I think it could even stand alone on a t-shirt or something like that...but I can envision uses for either version. However, I'd like to see a couple things.

1. There's nothing (other than the word "ministries") that sets us off as a Christian organization. I know I said "understated" in my original post, but this might be too far in that direction. One of the things I like the best is the series of rays that comes from the graphic. Could you orient those so that they start at the "straight-up" 12:00 position and end at the 3:00 position...then add a similar spray from 9:00 to 6:00, making each progressively longer? I'd like to see the way that looks. I'm also willing to entertain other ideas in that vein.

2. I liked what you did in the St. Mary's Aglipayan Congregation logo contest. Can you fiddle with a similar idea from the pic of the mural I posted a couple days ago?

Jayson:
Again, I like the black version better than the white background...but again, I like the horizontal layout better than the vertical. I guess I groove on the off-set "student ministries" thing. I'm not sure how I feel about having the cross work into the lettering as you have now...perhaps it would look better as the "I" instead of the "L," especially if you put the little white diamond back in the center of the cross (like in your earlier submissions).

Also, you said that you were working on some "other" designs...do you have anything completely new or are you still tweaking this idea?

I wonder--the mural uses the somewhat out-dated tag-line "unmasking the Son" (as in, Jesus...), does that spark any new directions or creative processes for you guys? Maybe somebody else would like to toss a hat into the ring? Don't get me wrong, I love what I'm seeing...but nothing has reached out and grabbed me as "the one." At least, not yet...

Oh, and don't think that "understated" means "conservative." Don't hold back...just let me have it! I'll try to let you know if--and how--it's too much.

peace,
t

[swiftymc]

[admin edit- Only members of the Design Team are permitted to enter contests, please follow the site guidelines (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=35&s=). Thanks :)]

This whole system of the contests is too complicated and ridiculous.....

[earwood]

my apoligies, swiftymc. I didn't (and still don't) know how many people are members of the design team. This was just an attempt to get any other members to join in.

peace,
t

[Palmer]

I didn't (and still don't) know how many people are members of the design team. These (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?&act=Members&photoonly=&name=&name_box=all&max_results=10&filter=8&sort_order=asc&sort_key=name&st=0) Those (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?&act=Members&photoonly=&name=&name_box=all&max_results=10&filter=6&sort_order=asc&sort_key=name&st=0) and and Them (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?&act=Members&photoonly=&name=&name_box=all&max_results=30&filter=15&sort_order=asc&sort_key=name&st=0)

[Goodhaus]

Here are my entries… :D

[earwood]

These Those and and Them
whoa...that's a lot of folks. Thanks for the info, Palmer.

:)
t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

A little different twist.

Jayson

[Mowling]

Ok just let me know of any changes

[Mowling]

well...sorry for that debris

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Another 1

Jayson

[RedLizard]

Here's a start for me. It's not completely developed yet.

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Do you have any feedback on my last revisions?

Jayson

[earwood]

Sorry, Jayson...and everyone else.

You all have been great at sending changes and new ideas...I just haven't had the time to give them the attention they need. Without throwing myself too much of a pity party, I've been down with the flu for almost a week :sick: ...and with Christmas worship services just around the corner, what little "work time" I've been putting in has dealt largely with that stuff. Ah, the life of a youth pastor.

Anyway, I'll see what I can do about getting everyone some more feedback in the coming days. I can tell you one thing, Jayson... I like the "twist" from earlier on the 11th more than "Another 1" posted later that afternoon. I'll get you some more detailed info later. Glad you're still on the job.

Hope everyone is well--or at least better than I am. Happy Holidays.
peace,
t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Hope you feel better! Have a great holiday!

Jayson

[Fabian]

Hello Brother Todd

Hope your over your :sick: ness

This was inspired by the image you first supplied.

:D

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipse.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Hope your holidays were good. Was wondering if you had any input for my changes.

Thanks,
Jayson

[earwood]

When last we joined our caped crusaders...it was just before the holidays...things were busy beyond belief and our hero B) was battling a case of the nasties. :sick: Time has passed and much has happened...new feedback has been gathered on this end...and a new foray into the design field on the other.

I'll try keep it brief...but be as specific as possible. Sometimes that's an oxymoron.

GoodHaus: I don't want to sound like I don't like your entries...because I think they're worth looking at...but I think they're a little too...umm..."colorful" for our current use. Maybe "bright" is the word I'm looking for. Of the designs you provided, I'm leaning toward the second one...could you develop or refine it a little and let me see what you come up with?

Jayson: Of the designs you've supplied, I still like the bottom one that's stamped Dec 11, 1:37pm. It's the one with the red "eclipse" lettering. I'm not really sure what's "missing," but I feel like something's just "not there." Maybe it's a font, or a font-size thing. Maybe it's a color thing. I'm not sure. One of my adult counselors thought the Crusiform looked a little too "Catholic." I like it, but maybe a non-crusifix cross alternative would be a good thing to work on.

Mowling: I like where you're headed...and so did at least one of the adults I showed these to. My thought on the "rays" of the eclipse graphic was to put the longest point at 6:00, then three equal points at 9:00, 12:00 and 3:00. Then, fill in the quadrants between 6:00 & 9:00 and between 12:00 & 3:00 with a "spray" that gets progressively shorter toward the middle (rather than longer, as in your current design). So, if you connected the points of the rays with a line, they would form a concave arc, rather than a convex arc (like they do now). Hope that makes sense. The universal interpretation is that the current design looks too much like an eyeball. Feedback was split with regard to the "stacked" (left-side) design or the horizontal (right side) design. So, if it's possible, we'd like to see modifications using the two middle (from top-to-bottom) designs from your post of Dec 11, 2:35pm.

Redlizard: One of my trusted adults said, "That's a little too Black Sabbath-y for our kids." I tend to agree. I kinda like the look of the bottom one--and I'd be interested to see what happens if you ever completely develop your idea. Also, the Crusiform, like in Jayson's design, is a little too "Catholic" for our group. See the feedback I offered him, above.

CreativeMeasures: This is fresh. And I like it! Haven't shown it to anyone else on this end just yet...but I will. My initial feedback is very positive. I'd like you to try a couple things for me. First, change the font(s). While I'm a big fan of the "stencil" look, this stuff looks too heavy--especially when paired with the clean lines of the "Student Ministries" font and the rest of the logo. Second, I wonder how it would look to put the eclipse graphic and the tagline closer in relation to the center, Christ-cross. The last two things are just picky--please capitalize "Ministries" and add "First" before "UMC." Generally, I like the design a lot and look forward to seeing how you polish it up. Another thought is to put the eclipse graphic outside the whole thing...almost as a frame in-and-of itself...making the design more "round" than "rectangular." Tuck the tag-line in somewhere and see what happens. I dunno...that's just a thought.

Well, there you have it. I'm back...and ready to find a winner! I'm sure you all are ready to have me off your backs, too. :D

Oh, and to "sweeten the pot" a bit, there's a really good chance, provided we get a group logo we really like, that we'll be requesting a summer mission trip logo and maybe a spring retreat logo that works with the theme of the winning group logo. Just thought you might like to know that.

Happy New Year to All!
peace,
bro-t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

I'm trying hard to understand what direction you are looking to go toward - maybe you can help. At last review you wanted to head towards the mural you had on your wall - can you describe how the mural is less "catholic" or crusifix in form than the logo of mine that you like? I'll also try to find a solution to what you think is "missing"

Thanks,
Jayson

[earwood]

Jayson...

I'm trying hard to figure it out myself. I'm still the new guy around here...and the "Catholic" terminology came from one of my counselors (in relation to the church as a whole). I'm still trying to get a handle on where the group is theologically. His interpretation seems to be that the Crusiform is too graphic an image. I know it's on the mural...and I told him that...and he just shrugged. Don't get me wrong...we like what you've got...everyone that I've shown it to has liked it. Really, the Crusiform is the only thing people have hedged at. So, maybe a non-Crusifix would help ease people's minds.

The Crusifix just bugs some protestants more than others. Me, I'm not bothered too much by it...I think it's important to remember that Christ had to suffer (a lot) before he died. But it gives some people the heeby-jeebies. The Empty Cross is supposed to remind us that Jesus rose from the dead and isn't still hanging on the cross...but people can take that too far in one direction too...and forget the suffering part.

I'm afraid I don't have "the" answer. I guess that's why there are so many different churches...people just can't agree on this stuff. But, that's another issue altogether! :blink: Personally, I like the Crusiform...but unfortunately, the logo isn't for "me," it's for my group...and the kids are probably more likely to "wear" an empty cross than a Crusifix. Could you try one with an "Empty Cross"? I'll show it around and get a barometer for how a larger group feels about the two alternatives.

As for what's "missing"...that's another evasive issue. Maybe it's a simple layout deal...or a size-relationship-issue. I'm just not sure. Here's the way my wife puts it: your "earlier designs are more balanced in space and have less "black" space than in the ones that are "missing something" (there's a lot of black space to the right of the graphic)." Does that help?

Anyway, give 'er a go and see what you can come up with. Let your mind go wild.

thanks...
peace,
bro-t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

The clarification helps a lot. Thank you for putting in the time to clear that up. I will have something new posted today.

Jayson

[JaysonC]

Heres a quick change.

[Fabian]

Hi Brother Todd

Is this what you had in mind ?

Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipse2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[earwood]

hey.

Jayson: I love this new direction. Especially the round one. A couple things, though. The outside crosses probably shouldn't have the "plaque" above the "arms" of the cross (that was where they hung the "King of the Jews" plaque on Jesus' cross to mock him). Maybe you could also make those two a touch smaller than they are. And we also lost the bit about First UMC Holland. The other thing was to ask if you could show me a couple other fonts for "Eclipse."

Fabian: I think you're on the right track, but it's not quite what I had envisioned. Sorry...I kind of threw the "round" idea at you at the last minute. I'd like to see the sliver of yellow...the big "C"...sort of form the outside ring of a circular design. So, it would be a lot bigger than it is now...and the circle would remain open. I showed your two designs to my wife last night...and she talked me into going back on what I said about the font. We decided that we really liked the "Eclipse" in the funky, spray-paint-looking stencil font...but we both agree that the tag-line looks better the way it is now. If you switch the Eclipse font back, could you also thicken the lines in the rest of the design a bit? Just to create a little more balance with the bold font....

BTW, I'm really interested in getting about three designs that I can take to a youth/adult "focus group" before we make our final decision. This place is big on group decisions.... So, if it seems like I'm taking you guys in different directions, it's because I want your individual designs to be the best they can be--so the group has choices that are actually different. Just wanted to clear that up because I think we're really getting close. I love what I'm seeing! Keep up the great work! :tup:

peace,
bro-t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Below are some of the changes you requested. I will post more later with some different text options.

Jayson

[Fabian]

Hello Brother Todd

Is this what you meant ?

Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipse3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Below is another text alternative. Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Jayson

[JaysonC]

Any updates on the designs?

[earwood]

Jayson...

Still liking the round-faced logo. Got a couple suggestions.

I'm thinking this new font might be a little too gothic for us. Got any others you think look cool?

I also really like Fabian's latest design with the eclipse serving as the outside ring of the logo. Do you think you could work something that uses your eclipse graphic (just the yellow ring part) as the outside "frame" and do away with the black/white circles? As a result of some feedback from an art-school friend, I've started thinking that since we'll probably use the logo on varying background colors (shirts, posters, newsletters and whatnot) we'll probably end up using a "transparent" background rather than a black disc. It'll save on ink...and keep us from printing a black disc on a black (or blue or whatever color) shirt...just letting the logo "shine" through on it's own merit. Ultimately, we'll need something that can be used on light colors, too...but we can work out those logistics later.

I'm going to have a youth ministry team meeting sometime in the next couple of weeks...the date is still open to debate. Seems everyone has too many other meetings to agree on a date. But I'll be taking whatever I've got...from whomever I've got it...to that meeting and hopefully come back with a "winner."

Thanks for keeping in touch.
peace,
t

[earwood]

Hey Mowling...

You still out there? Any progress on those designs? I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Your stuff is fresh...and so different than the other stuff we're looking at for this contest...I really think it will resonate with some of our folks.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Hello Brother Todd

Resized the crosses,fixed copy error and place a outer stroke.

This outer grey stroke with give the logo some pop out of the background.This stroke can be changed to any colour of your choice to suit whatever bg you place the design on,this is as simple as a click of the mouse.

If the grey stroke makes this design to busy or heavy,I can always supply two versions one for black bg and one for yellow bg.How I would do this is to place a slight colour change along the black area so this brings out the black area.Also the same for the yellow area.

All other colours you will have no problem with.

I'll show you what I mean tomorrow.

Thanks
Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipse4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Fabian]

Hi Brother Todd

Because of the angle of the eclipse this blend into the background colour I think works well,it seems to make it jump out at you.

Thanks
Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipseblackbg.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[earwood]

Fabian...

I like this latest one the best. I think bulking up the moon-ring thing helps a lot...and taking the grey (or whatever-color) ring off the outside simplifies things.

I like it. :tup:

Would you please:
~ Shrink the outside crosses just a tad more...maybe just 10-15% smaller...but not so much that the top of the cross is below the "arms" of the center cross.

~ Work on a version that could be printed on a light background. I'm not sure what that means...maybe putting a shadow around everything that's a light color...or reversing the color scheme...or some combination of those things. But ultimately, we'll need something we can print on light backgounds (white and yellow...that kind of thing).

Thanks a bunch.

peace,
t

[Mowling]

Todd...I am sorry...I will have some revisions for you shortly

thanks,
M@

[JaysonC]

Todd,

A different look, also used a different text for "eclipse". Let me know if you like. I may also hit up a totally different direction.

Jayson

[Fabian]

Hi Brother Todd

Resized the crosses 10%,also wanted to show you how it could look on a yellow background.Please let me know which one you like.

This one is with a 25% Drop shadow

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipseyellowdrop.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

This one is with a yellow glow effect

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipseyellowglow.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[earwood]

Fabian...

As it looks right now, I think I like the drop-shadow effect. But I like the glow-effect, too, since it's visible all the way 'round the logo. That said, I'd still like to see the logo without the black disk...or, with a "transparent" background on the logo itself. That might mean adding a black outline (or another "glow-type thing") to everything...or maybe changing the color-pallette a bit to prevent the detail from getting lost and to give the logo some "punch" when it's printed on a light background. Could you give that a go?

The re-size of the crosses is perfect...great job!

Also, would you please nudge the tag-line over to the left a bit so that it doesn't crowd the cross(es) so much?

Things are looking great! Thanks so much! I'm really looking forward to showing this (and the others) to a larger group...it looks like might happen on Monday or Tuesday of next week.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Brother Todd

Now im confused,the black disc and the yellow ring are the logo.You take away the black disc and it's no longer an eclipse,also by taking away the black disc the white crosses will not work on a white bg without some sort coloured stoke or shadow added......... and this opens up a whole heap of other issues.

:huh: :rolleyes: :o :P :unsure: :help:

Oh my head hurts :lol2:

Fabian

[earwood]

yeah...I was afraid you might say that. :(

Somebody pointed out that printing a black disk on a black t-shirt (for example) would be overkill to some extent...and it might make for a heavy, "thick" section of the shirt (which can be uncomfortable--or worse, can crack and peel). Also, when printing that much black with an inkjet printer (or Risograph, as in our office), stuff can stick together.

To remedy those potential problems, we thought that using detail of the logo as framed by the yellow moon-sliver (but without the black disk) would still carry the look of the "eclipse," but would let the background color be whatever color/material we were printing on. Obviously, that would work very well on a dark shirt (blue, black...even red) but the detail of the logo would virtually disappear if we tried to print on a light-colored shirt or on white paper. Hence, the request to shift the color-scheme.

Maybe an acceptable solution would be to offer this logo in a b/w alternative (with a white background (disk) and a black outline of the yellow moon-sliver (which would then be white). That way, we could use whichever version was better suited to whatever purpose we had at the moment.

Hopefully, this'll help ease your headache :) ...but if you have any other Qs, please let me know. Also, if you think it'll create more problems than it solves, let me know that, too and we'll see if we can't come up with another solution.

Thanks...
peace,
t

[Fabian]

Hi Brother Todd

Here's the Black and white version.

Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/eclipseblackandwhite.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[earwood]

Ok gang...here's the scoop.

I want to thank everyone for your logo submissions. Every one of these designs are great in its own right.

The "good-news/bad-news" is that it looks like the "meeting" I was supposed to have yesterday or today isn't going to take place until Thursday...but at least it looks like it's going to take place! We've got a lot of stuff to discuss at this meeting (church business--sheesh! :blink: ), but with a little luck, I'll be able to sneak "logo feedback" onto the agenda. Cross your fingers.

Essentially, I guess I'm trying to say that we might be able to declare a winner come Friday or Monday. Once we make the "final" decision, I guess the next step is to contact the winner and hammer out the details (based on whatever feedback I get from the adults & youth who make the decision). Is that right?

Now, it's "crunch time." If you've been holding back your thoughts, designs or alterations, now's the time to post 'em. My hope is that I can produce at least three "complete" logo designs.... I'll present whatever we have...and who knows what the group will decide.

Again, thanks to everyone for your patience in what has proved to be much more complicated a process than I originally intended it to be.

Until later,
peace,
t

[earwood]

ok...new plan.

My meeting has been postponed (again). :bash: So, it looks like I'll be showing potential designs around to the youth first (which isn't a bad thing). That'll happen Sunday.

And, if all goes as planned, some of the adults will see 'em on Tuesday. Then...finally...I hope we'll be able to declare a winner.

So...all this means that y'all have another few days to tweak or submit.... I'm planning a blind/silent ballot with the youth group kids...so we'll be looking at all submissions.

Oh, and...hey Jayson...didn't you say something a few days back about "hitting up a totally different direction"? Any progress on that?

Also (eagerly) waiting for revisions from Matt....

Thanks everyone.
peace,
t

[earwood]

:ermm:

Did I wear out my welcome? :( I know I've supplied some false "deadlines" recently...but please don't count that against me. These multiple meeting chages have been driving me crazy, too!

Anyway...I'm just wondering what happened to everyone.

peace,
t

[Palmer]

I got the impression that this was over except for the decision of who won. I would guess everyone else did too. In addition we are the busiest we have ever been in the history of this site. :wacko:

[earwood]

...we are the busiest we have ever been in the history of this site.
You're singing my song! Boy, do I understand busy. But that's a good problem to have...right?

Really, I didn't mean to step on any toes... :flowers: I just wanted to make sure that everyone got a chance to submit last-minute revisions before the decision leaves my desk and becomes a "group thing." I'd hate for that "perfect" design to come along after we'd shown these around and made a decision.

At any rate, this from FuseDesign on 1/14...
...I may also hit up a totally different direction...

& this from Mowling, also on 1/14...
...I will have some revisions for you shortly...
made me think there might be more ideas floating around out there; hence, my plea for "the latest."

One question.... Once we've decided on a "winner," what happens next? Can feedback (colors, basic design elements 'n' such) still be addressed or does the logo need to be "perfect" before we declare said winner?

Thanks for all the great work. Overall, this has been a really great--and exciting--experience. Thanks for making provisions for us non-profit "charity cases." Eclipse Student Ministries will definitely patronize DO again! :notworthy: (feel free to use that in the "testimonies" post...or would you rather have me post there directly?)

peace,
t

[Palmer]

They probably forgot that they had mentioned trying a different direction with the logo. Hopefully they will see your post and it will be a reminder :)

Yes it's good to be busy but when "the little guys" get lost in the hustle and bustle we need to address that. I need to wade through the applications and find some new people to help.

After the winner is chosen you may ask for small revisions of the colors or fonts. Anything that is easily changed. The winning designer will work with you until you're happy with the final design. It doesn't have to be perfect when you make a decision on who wins.

If you would like to post in the testimonials forum that would be great :)

Thanks and glad we could help.

[earwood]

Thanks for the info, Palmer.

I'll post my "testimonial" once we get everything wrapped up. I'm sure you'll see it.

Good luck "wading" (as you put it). Hope you find the help you need. Can't be easy to manage all this stuff. Keep up the great work.

peace,
t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

I hope you aren't discouraged by any efforts here. I, like Palmer said, was waiting on a decision, or some feedback from your meeting. You have been very helpful in your feedback, but when a group is deciding on the design, it always helps to hear from them too. I hope that makes sense and you have definitely not "worn out your welcome" here. I worked on a different design, but it wasn't what I had hoped, and I feel my current design is much stronger. I'm hoping I/we can get some feedback from your group, and than move on from there.

[earwood]

I wouldn't say discouraged, Jayson.... I was just just concerned that you guys had forgotten about me (or gotten frustrated with my deadline-postponement--I know that was frustrating me!). And, I wanted to make sure that anyone else who might wish to jump in on the process knew we were going to be making some kind of a decision relatively soon.

Thanks for the note...and congrats on the "promotion."

I'll definitely fill you in on what feedback the various designs receive. Have a great weekend.

peace,
t

[Mowling]

I do apologize... :( ...I'll try and have some revisions as soon as I can...monday


thanks,
Matt

[earwood]

Monday will work, Matt. I'll show the youth your first round of submissions tonight, the adults will get to see both the "old" and the "new" at our meeting on Tuesday.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

peace,
t

[earwood]

Designers...

I just wanted you to know that the youth...both middle and high school...responded favorably to your designs but had lots of input and feedback. Our conversation(s) centered around designs by CreativeMeasures, Mowling and FuseDesign...in no particular order. One of the youth, an artist in his own right, is going to stop by my office tomorrow afternoon to help me put their feedback into words. So, I'll have more for you sometime late afternoon--Eastern Standard Time, that is, on Monday.

peace,
t

[Mowling]

great BroTodd...I will move fast on the revisions.

thanks,
M@

[Fabian]

Thanks Brother Todd :tup:

[Mowling]

Brother Todd here is a new concept.

thanks,
M@

[earwood]

Ok designers...

We're gonna take this one at a time...starting with Jayson....

Generally speaking, your designs were very well received, especially by the middle school group. Fonts are still an issue...the jagged edges cause problems for some people (even with legibility), and a suggestion was made to find a more fluid fontface.

I showed your early design (12/9, 1:10pm). A favorable response was given to the top design because of the "open" style and the general simplicity. However, as a group, we liked the round-face design from Jan 7 2004, 02:14 PM (which is generally the same as later designs, too). Could you create something that has a more "open" scheme with some of the same elements as the later, more complex designs?

Here's another suggestions...take it or leave it.... In your new version, perhaps the "eclipse" element of the design could replace the black and white circles around the disk. That could serve two purposes 1) contributing to the "open" feel from the 12/9 post and 2) simplifying the overall design.

As for verbiage, the words "a ministry of" can be deleted and "Michigan" can be abbreviated "MI".

Thanks... I may have more later...but this is addresses the "major" issues.
let me know if you've got any questions or if I can offer any clarification.
peace,
t

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Thank you for the input. I will work on something new for you and post sometime tomorrow.

Regards,
Jayson

[earwood]

Next, Mowling...er, Matt...

Believe it or not, your designs caused the most "stir." These are the "older" designs I'm talking about now, not the most recent ones. Almost everyone found something they liked on the page of your stuff, but by far, the most excitement centered around those from Dec 10 2003, 03:39 PM.

More specifically, people liked the simplicity...and the graphic nature. Yours come across as more abstract and "punchy" than the others we are looking at. Which, of course, means some people really liked 'em and others really didn't.

I've mentioned before that people tend to see this design as an eyeball...the moon looks like it has eyelashes...but generally, people agreed that re-working the design to be more "Christian" and less "eyeballish" would be very cool. I think what we like most about the Dec 10 2003, 03:39 PM design(s) is that the moon graphic could be used as part of the text-logo as well as on its own as a graphic element. Say, the moon-graphic on the front of a shirt and the "Eclipse Student Ministies" part on the back...or on a sleeve...or whatever. The youth would like to see the tagline "Unmasking the Son" appear somewhere...and the adults on the ministry team would like to see some affiliation to First UMC, Holland, MI appear somewhere as well (although my feeling is that too much verbiage might lead away from the simplicity concept that the same people like...but anyway...).

I was also hoping that we could see the moon-graphic both as part of the work "Eclipse" and outside--next to--the word (as in your post of Dec 11 2003, 02:32 PM)...the group was decidedly split as to whether they liked it separate from or incorporated into the word itself.

As for your newest post...from today...
Charlie (the artist-youth I've mentioned before) was sitting in my office when you posted it. We came to the agreement that we liked it...but...

I'm still trying to figure out what the "but" is. It calls to mind another logo...maybe something from the YMCA or something else like that. It also looks kind of, um, "trendy"...similar to the "new" designs of some of the NFL Teams (think Tennesee Titans, New England Patriots & Jacksonville Jaguars). That's not a bad thing...but since we're a youth ministry, we're not really looking for a sports-team-style logo. We also agreed that red probably isn't a good color choice...the black and blue look great. Finally, we thought that the moon graphic has lost much of its previous "eclipse-ness," now looking more like a "sliver" or "crescent" moon.

I'm afraid this feedback sounds more like "criticism" instead of "suggestion," but I think that's because your design is so much more "abstract" and I'm not really sure how to offer suggestion. We all agree that the simple concept will work best for reproducability (is that a word?). Your designs (both the ones here and that I've seen you post in other contests) make a significant impact--and that's a good thing. Our group is interested in something along these lines (simple and impactful) but really wanting something more "Christian." Can you keep working on it and see what you come up with?

Thanks...and, as always, please let me know if I can clarify anything...or if you have any questions.

peace,
t

[earwood]

And now...Fabian...

This was almost comical. The middle-schoolers (grades 6-8) tended to shy away from your design, calling it "childish." Guess they want to be taken seriously. When I pressed them, they offered the same basic critique as the high school youth did--although the high-schoolers really embraced your concept. I expected it to be the opposite scenario...with the middle-schoolers enjoying the playful nature of your design and the high-schoolers favoring a more serious tack. That goes to show you what I know. :huh: Anyway, here's the basic feedback.

Of the two basic designs, almost everyone favors the round design over the rectangular one. They truly dig the "eclipse" stencil-font...one person said that it looks like the light is shining around the letters from behind...but they wish for some changes where the crosses are concerned.

The most "universal" cry was for the outside crosses to be a little straighter...less outward leaning (especially the right side) and for the center, Christ-cross to be completely vertical with the outline box completely closed (the top-left corner is open). They also suggested that all three crosses be "beefed up," or made even more substantial than you've done already.

Nearly everyone liked the eclipse/moon as the outside frame, but several people asked if the design could be made more "open" or "free flowing." The heavy black made some people feel as though the design was restricted or unnecessarily crowded. And, speaking of crowding, the words "a ministry of" can be deleted...and "Michigan" can be abbreviated, "MI".

Yours is the only design that currently utilizes the tagline, but I was surprised at how vehemently some people wanted the "ing" added to the word "unmask" (techincally, I guess it should say "unmasking the son" to match the mural).

Generally, most people really liked the design, but worried that the detail would get lost if it were to be sized smaller than 3 or 4 inches. So, could you try something for me and create an "alternate" version of the design? I wonder what it would look like to place the verbiage next to the round graphic element (I'm thinking to the right side) so that the general layout of the entire logo would then be horizontal (but without a frame or box surrounding it). Essentially that would both open the design a little and allow us to divide the logo into separate elements (one graphic-only, one text-only, and the complete design with graphic and text together) for use in various situations.

I think that's about it for now. I may have more later...I'll be showing off all of these logos to the adults on my youth ministry team tomorrow (Tuesday) evening.

As always, please don't hesitate to contact me if you'd like clarification or have any questions about any of the commentary.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Wow....That's a lot to take in......just kidding :lol2:

I'll make some changes and show you soon.

Fabian

[earwood]

sorry...I know it's a lot...but the youth took it pretty seriously. Which, I guess, is pretty cool.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Brother Todd,

Is this more to your liking ?

Fabian

[Mowling]

Bro Todd her is the revision.

thanks,
Matt

[JaysonC]

Todd,

Revisions

[earwood]

yo...guys...

Thanks for your quick work on these revisions. :clap: I know I tossed a lot of feedback your way...and you've all done a great job encorporating that information into your new designs. :notworthy: They all look GREAT! :woot:

My plan is to take these new, revised versions to our Youth Ministry Team meeting tonight (Tuesday) and show them off to the adults. Unfortunately, West Michigan is currently getting slammed by a major winter storm that promises to dump 6-9 inches of snow before the night is over...so, meetings, school events and community events are getting cancelled left-and-right. So...the meeting may get postponed yet again. :bash:

I'll let you know how it goes.

Again, thanks so much for all your work. Nicely done.

peace,
t

[earwood]

yo.

just found out that all evening meetings here are cancelled tonight. So...um...I guess the adults don't get to provide feedback for a while. Give me a couple days to show it around to "select" folks and I'll get back to you as I'm able.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Brother Todd,

Any word ?

Fabian

[earwood]

yo. me again. sorry for the delay.

I've taken the past few days to let your revisions "sit" and I've also shown 'em around to a few people whose opinions I respect...here's what we've come up with.

Let me preface all this with a hearty congratulations...and a thank you. You all did a great job of encorporating the feedback I gave you into your revamped designs.

Fabian:
I think you may have gone too far to the opposite end of the spectrum. The thing your design has that the others don't is...or was...it's "whimsical" style. I didn't want you to abandon that whimsy completely...just tone it down a little and make the crosses a little bit more substantial. Those who were attracted to your design liked the hand-drawn-look...they just wanted to see some more "substance" and to have the whole design "cleaned up" a bit. Is there a "happy medium" between the pre- and post-revision designs?

Jayson:
I like the "open" style...and so does everyone I've shown it to. However, we still have font issues. Would you please change the "eclipse" font back to the design from Jan 14 2004, 10:57 AM (or find another that doesn't look so "crumbly")? Also, the earth-tone color scheme is...um...uninspiring. The black text is fine...but it could easily be red (like in your previous designs)or even some other color...but we'd like to see the goldish color take a turn toward the bold...bright yellow would be great with the black...but if you change the "eclipse" color, feel free to experiment with other colors for "student ministries." Finally, would you please orient the verbiage directly next to the design rather than off-set (above or below)?

M@ (clever moniker, btw...):
Your design...the most "graphic" of the bunch...really holds lots of promise. I'm ready to let folks "vote" on the design as-is, but I thought I'd let you in on the only real feedback I've heard.... The super-imposition of the two graphic elements (the eclipse and the Christ-figure) have made at least one person say it looks "too busy." I'm not sure there's anything you can do about that--or if you even want to--but if you've got another card up your sleeve, feel free to toss it out. The color-scheme is very strong--please don't change that.

Thanks. It's really going to be difficult to pick a winner...these are all very strong designs. I greatly appreciate all your work.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Hi Brother Todd,

Cleaned up the "hand drawn" design.

Cheers
Fabian

[earwood]

Nice.

Thanks, Fabian. That's very much along the lines of what I'd hoped for. I'll get back with you as soon as I can.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Brother Todd

Any updates on this ?

Fabian

[earwood]

the nightmare of meeting rescheduling is (almost) over. It seems that (although it's still frigid here), the worst of winter is behind us. We've even got sun for the third day in a row...unheard of in mid-February.

At any rate, the youth ministry team will convene this evening at 7:00 (EST). On the agenda is "logo design," and I have a "ballot" designed and printed for everyone to view. With any luck, we'll be able to declare a "winner" sometime tomorrow.

Again, I apologize for the delay...it's amazing how "committee government" can slow the process! :lol:

I'll post again tomorrow.

peace,
t

[earwood]

Well...the adults weren't much help. We were "deadlocked" in a three-way-tie when it came to "voting" on a winner. After some discussion, they asked me to offer some feedback so they could view them again after some more bugs got worked out.

I tried to explain that we could choose a design based on its "potential" and work out the bugs after declaring a winner, but in the long run, I guess I'm asking you to bear with me and drag this thing out for one more week. I've promised to show the revisions to all interested parties this coming Sunday evening (2/22) and, Lord willing, I'll have the final decision by the 23rd. Here's what they'd like to see:

Fabian...
Working from your latest submission, there were just a few issues.
1. The "tag line." Please make sure it reads "Unmasking the Son" (not "Unmask"). It also appears out-of-place in the lower right corner.
2. The "read-ability" of the text. There is a very good possibility that this logo will be used in areas where the overall size is 2-inches or smaller. At that size, the text will be impossible to read. Could you work out a variation that separates the graphic from the text? Place it off to one side (or the other). The idea would be that we would then be able to use the circular logo (with text) in large applications (like t-shirts or sweats) and the text-free, graphic version for smaller applications like business cards or letterhead.
3. The design. Several of the adults on the Ministry Team want to see the design on a white (or "transparent") background, citing the black square as a distraction to the overall "round" design. Perhaps the best way to handle that would be to show them a b/w version of the updated design. They'd also like to see the outside crosses a little more straight...or, vertical...especially near the top. Not completely straight...just a little straighter than they are.

Jayson...
People are still very impressed with your design. The main complaint was that it looks too "serious" for a youth ministry. But, people absolutely dig the eclipse "frame" around the design. Suggestions for softening the look include:
1. Brighten the color scheme. The black stuff is fine as black...but, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the gold-tone lacks "punch."
2. Someone said that the "Eclipse" font looks like something from a haunted house. That's definitely not the image we want to portray.
3. The placement of the text should move down to a location beside (instead of diagonal-to) the graphic itself. I think I know what you're going for...and I like the idea of the offset text, but for the majority of the forseen uses, a more centered design will work better.

M@...
Again, much discussion around your design. People liked the clean lines and bold colors, citing it's use-ability in various sizes and applications... but on the other hand, they criticized the "corporate" nature of the design. Most of that criticism centered around the typeface, not the graphic image itself. Would you try a couple of variations on the font? Maybe something in lowercase...or a little less "square." Also, several people noted that the horizontal design (the one with the graphic in place of the "C") would be difficult to read from a distance. We don't want to be known as "elipse" student ministries.

That's it. I'm sorry for the length of this post...and again, thanks so much for your patience. If I can get your revisions by the weekend, I'll post the results by early next week...and you guys can finally take a breather...at least from all the headaches I've created for you! :)

have a great week.
peace,
t

[Mowling]

Bro Todd...I have enjoyed your contest. Because of work-flow outside of DO & other areas that require my time, the last revision that I completed will have to be my last. I am sorry if this has caused you any inconvienence.


Thank You,
Matt

[JaysonC]

Todd,

My final changes.

[earwood]

thanks for the quick responses!

Matt...one question for you... Should the final nod go in your direction, could a font-change be made prior to the official end to the contest? Just a-wonderin'.

peace,
t

[Mowling]

BroTodd...I am sure whoever you chose as winner...will be willing to make minor font changes.

thanks,
M@

[earwood]

well...yeah... I wasn't tipping my hand, I was just making sure that you were still available for such changes. I wasn't certain based on your post.

thanks for the note.
peace,
t

[Fabian]

Here you go,my final mock-ups :D

[earwood]

Thanks Fabian...Thanks Everyone! All the designs look great.

Like I said before, I'll be showing these off this weekend and will DEFINITELY be posting a winner early next week.

Oh, and hey, Palmer... (I'm assuming you--or someone on the Admin Team--reads through these posts.) I feel really guilty about dragging this contest out for so long. As a gesture of gratitude and goodwill to DO and the Designers who've stuck it out, I'd like to add $20 to the prize money. I know it's not much, but it's really all we can afford. How do I go about doing that?

peace,
t

[Palmer]

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peace,
t [/b][/quote]
You would just repeat the process you did in the beginning except for posting the contest. I'll know what the extra $20 is for and add it to the amount. You can pay from the following page...

http://www.designoutpost.com/post.htm

Thanks :)

[earwood]

okie dokie... I just added $20 to the prize amount (without posting a new contest).

At least I think I did.

Someone please let me know if it didn't go through. :unsure:

Thanks for all the help.

peace,
t

[Palmer]

Got it :wizard:

[JaysonC]

Did we reach a decision???

[earwood]

We have, indeed, reached a decision.

Blow the trumpets and sound the bells! The long-awaited winner of this contest is:
Fabian, the "Journeyman" of CreativeMeasures!

It was close. Very close. And this was an agonizing decision process. There were those who asked why we couldn't choose two winners. And really, it's too bad that there is only one "winner" in a situation like this because all the designs are first-rate. Ultimately, the decision came down to the logo that we felt best represented a "student ministry." Fabian's 11th-hour re-design tipped the scales in his favor.

So, many thanks to all.... At the moment, I feel a bit like Inigo (you-killed-my-father-prepare-to-die) Montoya after he kills Count (the-six-fingered-man) Rugen at the end of The Princess Bride...I've been focused so much on choosing a "winner" that I don't know what happens next. :huh: There are a couple of minor revisions that I'd like to see before we receive the "final" version...and I'm also wondering if we're able to receive the whole collection as represented in Fabian's final submission (or if we have to choose either "a", "b", or "c").

Well...I guess I'll just wait until I hear from y'all on this stuff....

Again, thanks to all who participated in this contest...especially Fabian, Matt and Jayson (and you, too, Palmer). DO Rules!

Until next time...
peace,
t

[Fabian]

Brother Todd

Thank you for choosing my design :tup:

Your most welcomed to all three designs.I'll send Palmer a PM to let him know that this needs to be moved to the revisions section.Once there could you please let me know what changes that you require.

Cheers
Fabian

[Michael]

The charity contests stay in here :)

Congrats Fabian :tup:

[Fabian]

Brother Todd

Would you like any changes made ?

or

Just send the files ?

Also

If the later where too ?

:unsure:

[earwood]

Sorry, Fabian...

I'm putting out some fires here. I'll try and get you the (minor) change stuff later today.

peace,
t

"If they're shooting at you, you must be doing something right."
- Charlie, the President Bartlett's Body Man on The West Wing

[earwood]

Fabian...

Sorry about the delay. Sometimes everything hits the fan at once.

Anyway...I really don't have much by way of changes. It's really just minor stuff. I'll go one-at-a-time.

"A"
1) The tagline still looks out of place. I thought about putting it inside (or just outside) the sun-arc (in a curve that flows with the arc), but I'm not sure how that would look. Maybe I could see it that way?
2) Would you please move the "First UMC..." up so that it rests just under the "Student Ministries" verbiage? Tweak the font size or letter spacing if you need to so that the two lines are justified.
3) After we decide where the tagline goes (or maybe we'll just pull it altogether), I'd like to have a colorized version of this logo.

"B"
1) Just pull the tagline. Remove it altogether. This size and layout doesn't require the whole deal.
2) I'll prob'ly want a color version of this one, too...if that's alright.

"C"
1) This is the one that really did it for us. I love the simplicity of the little button-logo. Would you please increase the space (ever-so-slightly) between the graphic and text elements?
2) Might want to see this in B/W, especially since I see us using it for a lot of printed material (letterhead and such). b/w printing is SO much cheaper!

I think that's about it. Shoot the changes my way...and let me know what other information you need from me before sending the "final" versions.

Thanks so much. Great work!
peace,
t

"If they're shooting at you, you must be doing something right."
- Charlie Young, President Bartlett's "Body Man" on The West Wing

[Fabian]

Brother Todd,

No problem,once I've done those changes I'll post them here for final approval.

Cheers
Fabian

[Fabian]

Brother Todd,

Not sure but I think you might have logo B and C mixed up,because logo B looks more like a button to me ;) .Please let me know.

The bottom logo ( Logo C ) with only work as I've show here or as a black and white image,this is because of were the wording is and would require a redesign to work as a full colour :(

So if what I've shown you here is suitable please forward me you e-mail address via PM and I'll zip the files and send them.

*Thanks 2Square for the congrads*

Cheers
Fabian

[earwood]

Fabian...

You're right...I had the logos confused. Sorry 'bout that.

Anyway, here's my executive decision-making process at work... ;)

A. Go ahead and yank the tagline altogether. It just doesn't seem to fit anywhere. It's not your fault...I think we were just trying to do too much...so...out it comes. Also, would you nudge the "Student Ministries" and the "First UMC" verbiage over to the right? Just enough so that they're right-justified with the last "E" in "Eclipse." Finally, if it's possible, could you send both the b/w and the color versions?

B. You're right. I had 'em confused. Only one little change here.... Would you replace the tagline with the First UMC verbiage? Just for consistency's sake, I think that'll look better...and having both would simply be too text-heavy. Also, is it possible for us to have both the color and b/w versions here, too?

C. This one is fine with just the b/w. I think the lonely yellow crescent looks a little, well, too "lonely" to keep it this way. So the b/w is just fine. I'd also like to add the "First UMC" verbiage right-justified under "Student Ministries" as in "A". Can we swing that?

And, for the color versions, could you crank up the yellow a bit? The latest version seems to have taken on a more dulcet tone.... The yellow in your post of Feb 7 2004, 10:43 PM appears to be "brighter"...or something. Maybe it's just the background, but either way, I think I'd like something with a little more "flash." Just so that it's not any "lighter" or "more pale." (I sure hope that makes sense.)

The last thing you should know is that I'm going to be out of touch for a few days--I've had a death in the family. So, take your time with these changes.... I'll get back in touch with you sometime over the weekend or early next week. Cool?

Thanks so much for your willingness to turn this stuff around...and put up with all my delays. I really do appreciate it.

peace,
t

"If they're shooting at you, you must be doing something right."
- Charlie Young, President Bartlett's "Body Man" on The West Wing

[Fabian]

Brother Todd

My deepest condolence for your loss.

Regards
Fabian

[Fabian]

Is this what you had in mind ?

[earwood]

Fabian...

Thanks for your sympathies... It was a whirlwind of a week, and I really appreciate your well-wishing.

As for your revisions...
the short answer to your question is "yes" for both "A"...and "almost" for "B" and "C."

For starters, I totally dig the new, "brighter" yellow. That's exactly what I had in mind.

With regard to "B," I think I liked the look of the other font. I'm not exactly sure why...but with the "button" logo, I just think it looks...well..."neater." I guess that's the best word. The words themselves are what I wanted, but I'd like you to switch them back to the other font (see your post of Mar 2 2004, 05:28 PM). (This font change is only for "B," not for "A" or "C.")

While the fonts themselves are fine the way they are in "C," perhaps you could bump the font size down a bit? Just a couple points would do it, I think.

Finally, if you're willing to provide both color and b/w versions of "B," that would be ideal.

Other than that, I think we're done. Whew! Finally, huh? :)

Thanks for all your work.
peace,
t

[Fabian]

Is this what you had in mind ?

[earwood]

Fabian...

Looks AWESOME! :tup:

Now, if I could get you to nudge the text box in "A" down just a touch (it still looks a bit crowded in relation to the black disk), I think we'll finally be finished! WooHOO!

No need to send a revision--I trust that bumping something down a hair or two is something that doesn't really need approval. It's just a picky little thing anyway.

So, what's next?

Great work!
peace,
t

[Fabian]

Ok

I take it you mean the coloured " B " logo ;)

Do you want these files sent to your e-mail ?

If so please PM the address to me.

Cheers
Fabian

[earwood]

yeah...the color version of "B." Sorry 'bout that.

Can you tell I'm a bit distracted? Sheesh. What a week. :blink:

I'll PM my email address to you right away.

peace,
t

[earwood]

umm... Can somebody help me?

I just tried to click on the PM icon under Fabian's latest post--so that I could get him my email address and (finally) wrap up this contest. I received the following error message:

You are not allowed to use the messenger feature on this forum. To contact the Administrator and owner of Design Outpost, please visit our home page and look for the contact us link. Thank you.

What should I do?

thanks.

peace,
BrotherTodd

[Fabian]

Ok just spoke to 2square (mod)

You need to e-mail your details to me.

fabian at bigpond.net.au

Please remember no spacing and change the at to @

[Michael]

Apologies for the inconvenience but if you could email Fabian your details that would be great.

Any problems give me a shout


Michael

[earwood]

no problem, Michael. I'm about to do that now.

Thanks for the help.

peace,
t

[Fabian]

Files sent

[Fabian]

:huh: Why is this still in here ?

[Michael]

Charity contests stay in the charity forum just needs the titled edited ;)


Cheers