Lawn Maintenance Logo needed $75

[FLC Dave]

(Admin code added by 2Square - U8855421)


I am the owner / operator of a small lawn care business (no employees). I have completely exhausted my budget on new equipment. Sorry I couldn't offer a larger prize. This business specializes in residential lawn maintenance. Here are some of the specifics on my company;
- Its name is Fairway Lawn Care
- I am the owner / operator ( no employees yet)
- I will use the logo created by this site for business cards, letterhead, vehicle and trailer signage and possibly for small signs left with my accounts.
- The inclusion of my business name is preferred but not necessary.
- Some elements that I would like to see incorporated are either a oval or rectangle enclosing the design. Either a simple golf hole and flag theme or multicolored fall leaves. Or possibly both.
- I like the colors of fall for the logo.
- The color of the tow vehicle is mostly black with chrome accents and the trailer is black with aluminum diamond plate sides (polished aluminum), my lawn mowers are red and black, and the small handheld equipment is also black with orange accents.


I will end the contest around February 1, 2004

[Mowling]

Dave? Here is my first concept...just let me know what you think...I will be glad to do any revisions.


Thanks,
Matt

[FLC Dave]

How long does it take to start getting action on a contest? I realize my contest is new, but it appears that most of the recent contests have concepts done already. Should I be more patient (like I have a choice) or is my contest too difficult or specific? Is the prize an insult to the design artists? AGAIN thanks for your quick reply. PS only second day on this site, and I dont really know how this works.

[FLC Dave]

Mowling, great start. Can more fall like colors be added to the design?

[Just J]

I am working on something as we speak (type). I hope to have it for you soon.

[FLC Dave]

Thanks, I imagine a slow start typical? It has only been a couple days.

Also, to all the artists that are participating in my contest, feel free to post your own ideas. The design doesn't have to have a golf hole and flag or leaves. That is what my limited imagination came up with when I started this contest. Feel free to create!!!!
After looking at several contests, I dont think that I would like a logo that had a cartoon like caracture. It doesn't seem a professional as I would like.

[Just J]

FLC Dave,
I tried something working off of your idea with the golf theme. I have a few other ideas that I need to work on, but at 1:24am est, they just aren't happening for me. :blink: I hope to get them done soon.

[Fabian]

Here's a concept sheet for your consideration.

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/fairway1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[annia]

I made an entry for you too

[FLC Dave]

Thanks guys, and girls!!! So far I like the the ideas posted by Mowling and Creative Measures. Like I posted before, my limited imagination couldn't picture anything other than a golf hole or leaves. After looking at what has been submitted I keep going back to the first one by Mowling for some reason. What do you call that style?

[Just J]

Another idea for you.

[Fabian]

Here's my second concept's sheet.

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/fairway2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

I like # 1,2,5,6 but the plant in the logo looks like a weed. Sorry!

[FLC Dave]

Still like where Mowling is going!

[Fabian]

Hi Dave,thanks for the feedback.

Would you like to see revisions on 1,2,5,6. ?

Fabian

[Eagle]

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Hi FLC Dave!

First is a three colour design, second is full (four) colour. :)

[FLC Dave]

Creative measures please reviseif possible. Right now I like the designs by Mowling and Eagle. Eagle is it possible to add a black border around the green and red ones? Also what is that on the right side of the black one? Is that a golf flag? It is difficult to make out.

[Eagle]

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Heheh, it was supposed to be a mock-up of a black car door...back to the drawing board on that one then! :lol:

Do you mean add a black outline to the existing borders or just change them to black? :)

[FLC Dave]

Eagle, black outline to borders. Do you know if when a design is finally printed is it significantly more for for colors than three? Would the black borders then make them a four and five color design? I think the top one will look great with the black outline and slightly darker greens used for the stripes. The striping effect on your design mimics the much desired striping effect created by lawn mowers perfectly. Nice touch!!!!! Your design just became number one with a bullet!

[Eagle]

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Ok, I'll get the revisions done...won't be long... ;)

Re the costs of printing...best to seek quotes from your chosen printers...click the link in my siggy (bottom one) for further info ;)

[FLC Dave]

have to leave the computer for a while I will either get back to you guys later or tomorrow. THANKS for all you hard work!!!!!!!!!

[Eagle]

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Here you go!

Black & white version included... :)

[Just J]

One last shot (with a few variations).

[Michael]

Hello, in keeping with the golf theme :)


<img src='http://www.2square.co.uk/contests/fairway.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


Michael

[FLC Dave]

Eagle, could you put a slightly thicker black border around the logo and have it encompass the oval part of the design also. It is looking good though! Quick question, is the green one considered a three color design or four. Is the white background considered a color? Could you try slightly darker greens also

[Eagle]

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Hi Dave

The 'green one' is 3 colour (black + two greens)...I'll work on the changes; back soon! :)

[Eagle]

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Hi Dave

For your info, you should refer to a Pantone Matching System 'swatch book' (available from a printers) in order to determine 'real-world' colours. What you see on your monitor may not be what I see on the swatch book (although I only ever use colours for print here (unless specified by the client) that have a close 'screen match'!)

Printing on a home printer can give you a rough idea but they do not use the same (standard) inks as professional printers.

PMS numbers are quoted bottom right. :)

[FLC Dave]

Eagle, could you add the tag line "measuring excellence by the yard" to the bottom of the design? Are darker greens possible? Or will they be too dark and get lost in the background behind them?

[FLC Dave]

Could I or should I give my phone number now or wait until the contest is over to give that information.

[Eagle]

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...one moment... :)

[Eagle]

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You can provide all personal details to the winning designer and they will make the changes before you get the final files... :)

NB: PMS 350 is probably as dark as you'll get before you lose it against the black... :)

[FLC Dave]

You are right, the top one is better the bottom one is too dark almost black. Can you center the tag line and try a font similar to hand written printing. Kinda artsy like a draftsman or .......... a graphic design artists, with the phone number under it. It appears as though may last request may squish the bottom of the design too much. I have to leave the house for a while I will reply this evening when I return. THanks again for your work.

[Eagle]

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:)

[Fabian]

Something classy for my final approach shot......please forgive the pun.

:D
Fabian

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/fairway3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Fabian]

Whoops.......forgot the phone number ;)

<img src='http://creativemeasures.250free.com/fairway4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_01.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Eagle, so far I like your design the best. Couple ideas I would like to see. I don't know how it will look but if you dont mind, change the color of the sun, tag line and phone number to orange or yellow. What do you think? Too much color? Too busy? I think the design looks greas as is but was curious. Could you also change the font for the tag line to somthing a little easer to read? Thanks! Dave

[Eagle]

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Sure thing! :)

[FLC Dave]

Nice, still not sure about the font though, I will run it by the wife tomorrow. Looks Like you have scared off the competition. Only a few new Ideas posted recently. :box: :box:

[FLC Dave]

Do you have any suggestions for the font, try any font you think would look better with the design.

[Eagle]

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It's all subjective really :unsure:

A slightly different font and displayed larger... :)

[FLC Dave]

Where has everyone gone? We have another week left on this contest.

[FLC Dave]

One week to go, Creative Measures I like your design but there is too much white in the design and the outline is too thin. Could you also try a different color scheme?

[FLC Dave]

2square, could you also add thicker borders to the design and add the tag line measuring excellence by the yard to it also?

[FLC Dave]

Mowling, I still like your original design. Could you also add the tag line measuring excellence by the yard? Right now I can't put my finger on it but your design is also missing somthing to dress it up. Feel free to throw some ideas out there or possibly some new designs

[RedLizard]

here's my first entry.

[FLC Dave]

I have posts of somthing similar already. Do you have any other designs for me to check out? Somthing completely different. I am open to just about anything. I like the corporate look better than the cartoon style also. No one has submitted anything with grass or leaves as their par of the logo yet. Looking for something colorful 3 or four colors that will go with the colors black, red and silver. There is also a small ammount of orange in my equipment.

[Eagle]

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I'll have something for you later... ;)

[Eagle]

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Quite sure you want to go 'corporate' now? ;) :)

[FLC Dave]

Sorry not like that, but similar to the one you have already designed. Isn't that corporate? What do you call that type of design? Just looking for options.

[FLC Dave]

Where have all the designers gone?

[Just J]

I'm still here, just waiting for feedback on my designs so I know what revisions to make, or if I should start something new for you.

Jason

[Eagle]

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Hi Dave

The 'corporate' look is very subjective (and therefore hard to describe) but it is generally taken to be a single very iconic image of two/three colours designed to be easily remembered...often combined with the company name...

Compare the example above with my earlier designs for you. Very different in style. :)

[FLC Dave]

Black spot, sorry I thought I sent a reply regarding your design. My mistake, sorry to keep you hanging. I didn't like your design as well as some of the others. I liked what Eagle, Mowling and 2 square came up with. Could you work up somthing with a leafy theme, with fall colors. That would be either grass or tree leaves. The design doesn't necessarily have to have a golf theme but is preferred.

Eagle, thanks for all of your hard work! Your design looks great as is no revisions. If you have any old designs you want to recycle I would be glad to look at them. No need to make any changes to them at this point. I will suggest changes after viewing them.

To all designers, feel free to send me lawn maintenance designs from contests you didn't win for possible consideration.

[FLC Dave]

Eagle could you place your completed design on some items for my viewing. T-shirt, letterhead, the side of a truck to see how it may look. I particularly liked the watermark thing you did for one of you other contests.

[Eagle]

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Hi Dave

Sorry, the original one or the latest 'corporate' one? :)

[FLC Dave]

original

[Eagle]

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<img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/smil3y/eaglecool.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Eagle, looks good, how about just the oval part ofthe design with the black trim all around it on a shirt back and Fairway Lawn Care along with the tag lineunder it on the left breast. I also like the watermark thing, will look great on a letterhead or invoice,not on the shirt though.

[Eagle]

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Done! <img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/smil3y/eaglesmile.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Thanks Eagle it appears as though the other designers are handing you the prize. Nothing new to view.

[Just J]

I haven't given up yet. I'm working on one last thing for you. Don't know if it will beat Eagle (that would be a tough one), but I am working on something. If I take too long to finish, feel free to pick a winner and not wait for me.

Jason

[ElKootcho]

I guess you've seen enough golf-themed designs so here's something from left field.

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_02.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Elkootcho, nice that is the kind of stuff I was looking for from the other designers. Could you work some grass treatments into the bottom of your design and possibly the tag liine measuring excellence one yard at a time along with a phone number mockup. Eventually I would also like to see how those designs might look on the side of a vehicle, as letterhead and on a business card. One other thing I asked eagle to do for me is to create a watermark design that would be in the background of my letterhead and invoices. He posted his recently. Thanks for your late entry. Looking forward to other entry's by others too.

I don't know if this helps the other designers but this design and Eagles along with Mowlings first design and 2 Squares are along the lines of what I was looking for. I would like to see somthing done in a leaf type design oak or maple with fall colors in it too. Same applies, please include the tag line and phone number mockup. I also would like to see it as a mock up on vehicles shirts and marketing stuff as Eagle has done fro me. Sorry but I dont want to run out of time for revisions.
Thanks, Dave

[FLC Dave]

Black spot, looking forward to your post

[FLC Dave]

I won't be able to contact you guys today 1/24/2004 since I will be on duty at the firehouse for the next 24 hrs. Unfortunately we have a pretty strict internet usage policy which will make it difficult to give replys until Sunday morning. Thanks!

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_LH.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_Truck.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Mowling]

Hello Dave,
I am so sorry for my delay in revisions...let me know of any more you need

thanks,
Matt

[FLC Dave]

Mowling, is that a gradient fill color or spot?
ElKootcho, could you put some kind of grass treatments at the bottom of the logo?

[Mowling]

Dave that is spot pantone...I can match the colors up to a avery vinyl chart that way your colors would not be off from the colors you would put on signage and vehicle advertisements.

[FLC Dave]

Mowling, You lost me! Will this type of color make it more expensive to print signs etc. Can you make your leafy part ofthe design more pronounced? Possibly three dimensional looking.

Also, will some designers, including yourself, make the signs I will need at the end of the contest? Maybe a silly question but I have never made signs before and actually I am unsure what the next step will be after the contest has ended. Also thanks for the redesign. I really am having a hard time picking the one I like the most so far.

[ElKootcho]

Also, will some designers, including yourself, make the signs I will need at the end of the contest?

You need to start with your sign printer for this. What do they need and in what format?

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_0304.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, somthing with slightly larger blades where the grass kind of falls out ot the logo. Could you also try a different font for the initials FLC they are hard to read looks like PLO.

[Mowling]

Dave, actually what most sign companies use for graphics such as the type that would go on your vehicle would be cut out of vinyl which comes in many different colors. For the 18"X24" coroplast signs...you can either have them made with vinyl graphics or screenprinted. Screenprinting is cheaper when you have a greater quantity made. Regarding the production of your signs, I actually work for a sign company that can do either process...I am not sure it would be economical for you to pay for the shipping of those signs versus taking the logo file the designer will send you to a local sign company. You might want to check and see what type of file they will require...probably .ai .eps or .cdr. I am sorry if I am confusing you. Since I do work for a sign company and if you have any further questions regarding types of signs...feel free to ask.

thanks
M@

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_05.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, could you place the FLC part of your design on a oval background and make the L look like a golf flag? I think the bottom portion is perfect, and I also like the golor scheme.

[Mowling]

Here is a color variation that makes the grass to show up more...the logo with red...the other one is a variation with an innerlined form of grass.

thanks,
M@

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, could you also make the bottom a little larger since it holds the name of the business, phone number and tag line or encorporate Fairway Lawn Care into the top portion of the design where the FLC is? I like the grass you added. I think I will like the FLC better though. Just want the important stuff more visible.

Mowling, nice job, it does look better than before. I like the innerlined grass, nice touch. Could you encorporate the tag line measuring excellence one yard at a time along with a phone number mockup too? Thanks.

I now have four designs that are all in the running.

[ElKootcho]

I'm working on the oval look.

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_06.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Mowling]

Dave...here are the revisions...let me know if I can do anymore for you.

thanks,
M@

[ElKootcho]

Up to 4-colors with this one.

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_07.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Mouling looks better, still like the innerline on the all green one how about the same on the red one?

ElKootcho, see what you can do, I trust your judgement. If any other shape might work with your design give it a try. The reason I was looking for another shape is because the top will be mostly unsupported on my open trailer. I fear over time it will be bent unless I beef up the frame of the sign a little.

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, looks good but the flag sticking out over the top still scares me. I tried to post a picture of the trailer but the file was too big.

[Mowling]

Here is the revision on the red one with inner blades.

thanks,
Matt

[ElKootcho]

The reason I was looking for another shape is because the top will be mostly unsupported on my open trailer

Now I get it! :rolleyes:

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_08.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

The diamond shape seems to fit your design better though. Try putting the flag on it also. Could you also put a white innerline on the FLC portion of the design. Curious how that might look. Sorry I am putting all these out ther one after another. I only have a few days left on the contest and I want to get each design looking its best.

Just noticed that the diamond design without the flag had a black border outlining each of the green strips. Could you also put that back in the most recent revisions?:tup:

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_09.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_10.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, I liked the shape of Eagles design also if that helps you.

[Eagle]

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I'm gonna be away next 24hrs Kootch but you have my go-ahead to use the shape... <img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/smil3y/eaglecool.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Sorry Eagle, I don't know the rules on this sort ofthing. I hope I didn't offend you or cause problems. His design is similar already though. I think I like the diamond shape better. though Turnabout is fair play, I like the color scheme used by ElKootcho, could you try to do somthing similar?

[Eagle]

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...no worries! <img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/smil3y/eaglesmile.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

My design / Eagle's shape :tup: (thanks bird man!)

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_11.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, It's between #9,10 and 11! Could you try a slightly darker green so the tag line and phone number might show up a little better.

[FLC Dave]

To all designers working on my project, I recently stopped by one sign shop near my home. They are trying to sell me on a completely digital design for the sign work but also asked me to have the winning designer make up the same design with spot coloring too. They said the spot coloring is cheaper to reproduce for silkscreaning and somthing else, that eludes me now. When the contest is done can all of you include both type of designs? They also said they prefer either a EPS or TIF format for the file. Is this standard for you guys or do I need a new sign shop? THey also said that the completely digital design can have as many colors in it as I want since it doesn't have to be created in layers. :help:

[Michael]

It's standard ;)

[FLC Dave]

2square, where have you been? Are you up to the challenge? Do you have any designs other than the one submitted early in my contest. You got skills!!!!! I have seen them!!! If anything recycle somthing you did before. I am just looking for options. I understand why you might shy away. Tough competition here. I have some hard decisions to make next week.

Seriously, I hope to get a couple of new designs to look at before it is over. It is never too late for a winning design. I recently received a quality design worth consideration, it could have been yours!!!! Are you up for the challenge???
Thanks for the quick reply to my last post :box:

[ElKootcho]

darker green, brighter yellow. Keep in mind that colors vary between screen and print. What you see on your computer will likely not match the printed piece. This is why designers use spot colors. We can specify PMS colors and your printer will have a PMS swatch book for color varification.

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_11a.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Anyone interested in making another design post. I will be at the firehouse tomorrow 1/27/04 until 1/28/04. Unfortunately, our internet usage policy is pretty strict and I will not be albe to reply to any posts during that time. I will ask my fiance to reply at home, if I can talk her through it.

Still looking for a few more ideas from anyone willing.

Eagle, welcome back, could you try a color scheme similar to ElKootcho's on your design and make the stripes a little wider. I like that color scheme. I think it will stand out on my trailer better. :help:

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, the background color is too dark. I like the #11 design better with the old color scheme #11A the colors are too similar. Thanks for trying.

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, don't know how this would look or if it would work but what if we flip flopped the Fairway Lawn Care and the FLC on the design so at a glance the viewer would see the business name first and not FLC. The bottom could read "FLC measuring excellence one yard at a time". Where the FLC uses the same font and color as above, but slightly bigger than the font size in the tag line. When I look at the design my eyes focus on the FLC portion of the logo. Granted it looks awesome, but driving by they might only see FLC and not know what it stands for. What do you think?

[ElKootcho]

Ok, slight detour.

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_12.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, I dont know. Somthing is not right. Visually I like #11 but think I made a valid point. Any thoughts or changes that you think would make it fit or look better. A different font? Placement of the words? I dont know somthing is missing / not right. Fairway Lawn Care definitely sticks out now (first thing I saw). Help!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I have been looking at the design to much and need to clear my head. I am not making changes for change sake though. Just trying to fine tune it. I will look at any changes you make and respond before I leave for work tomorrow. Sorry I must be driving you crazy! Thanks for your patience. :bash:

[Tonya]

<img src='http://www.frobo.com/graphic_work/fairway/fairway1.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

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[ElKootcho]

smaller FLC, larger "Fairway...etc"

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_13.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Raja]

here is something based on an entry I made last year for a similar contest.

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, I think #12 is better, and it acomplishes what I want. Could you make the stripes curve like they did on # 10 and try a different font for the top portion of the design? The font you used for FLC suggests motion, a font similar to that. Thanks you are the man.

[FLC Dave]

Raja, I lie what you did with the grasshopper design from your website. Could you put a spin on that? Please add the tag line "Measuring Eexcellence One Yard At a Time" and a phone number mockup. The one you posted for my contest looks like a present or box of some sort. Thanks!

[FLC Dave]

ElKootcho, I am sure you are tired of hearing from me. Here is the good news, unless someone posts something really great you are one of two designs I have chosen to go with. Will you be able to work with me after the contest is over to finalize the project if you win? I am sure you would like to put more work into other contests.

If you dont mind making these changes I will continue tweaking it.

I have narrowed it to a three versions of your design#9,11,and 12. In general, I like the way the FLC on top looks I just dont know whether people viewing it will catch the important stuff below the FLC at a glance. Might have to gamble on that one, any thoughts? I like the wavy stripes you did on the original diamond too. I wil ask you to add that to final design. Eventually I want to see the mockup of busines cards, watermarking on the letterhead and vehicle signage again.

Sorry, I have been such a pain in the !@#$$%, and thanks for the effort! :notworthy:

[ElKootcho]

Tweaking after the fact is pretty much a given. Not a problem and totally expected.

As far as going with "FLC" or the full "Fairway Lawn Care" is concerned, I think you need to analyze how you get your business. If you get a lot of drive-bys where someone just gets a quick glance at your truck, FLC is easy to read and remember but would they recognize that in the phone book or yellow pages? If you're listed as "Fairway Lawn Care" they may not make the connection unless the rest of the sign registered with them.

If it's mainly word-of-mouth, flyers, or yellow pages you can go with whichever look you like better as long as the new logo is incorporated into your advertising.

I like the FLC version better because, as I mentioned, it's quick recognition and, used alone, it's a nice symbol for use on things like invoices, watermarks, etc. which will become more recognized over time. Having a stand alone symbol also gives it more of a corporate or franchise feel which gives your business an established, trustworthy appearance.

I think this is getting confusing because we're trying to build a mix between logo and sign. If you're looking for a sign #12 fulfills that role better. The others are more on the "logo" side.

[FLC Dave]

I see what you mean.

"I like the FLC version better because, as I mentioned, it's quick recognition and, used alone, it's a nice symbol for use on things like invoices, watermarks, etc. which will become more recognized over time. Having a stand alone symbol also gives it more of a corporate or franchise feel which gives your business an established, trustworthy appearance."

That kind of sums it up for me! Thanks for the perspective! :tup:

[ElKootcho]

Added the curved lines

<img src='http://www.smallbusinessstyle.com/DesignOutpost/FLC_14.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[ElKootcho]

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[FLC Dave]

Thanks Mike take a break, you have worked hard and I appreciate it. You will come highly recommended to anyone who is looking for design work. Just a couple days left and there havn't been any recent posts for you to compete against. CHEERS :drink:

Eagle if still interested please try a color scheme like ElKootcho's. I like how those colors jump out at me.

[FLC Dave]

I am going to firehouse tomorrow until Saturday morining.
The contest is running out of time, if anyone is working an a new design for this contest please post it tonight for consideration. I wont be able to send replys while at work. Thanks!

[FLC Dave]

I am still interested in a "leaf" type design if somone has somthing to post. Possibly somthing from an old contest. Just post it as is and I will let you know if it is somthing I like. Thanks, Dave

[Just J]

Here is what I could put together using the golf and leaf mix.

Jason

[VisualSense]

a leaf design using the autumn colors you've mentioned...
-Diane

[Eagle]

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Hi Dave

Here's a leaf design...

[FLC Dave]

Hey Eagle, I like the simplicity of your most recent design, could you enfcorporate the grass with the inner line that you designed for me earlier. It was enfcorporated into a border that was sorta shaped like a key. I like this design better that the key design. I also like the design inside the diamond with the stripes. I can honestly say I still like that design and the one by ElKootcho along with this one you recently started.

[Eagle]

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Hello Dave

I think the key design you're referring to is by Mowling. I'm really not sure what you need for a revision - could you clarify? Thank you. <img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/smil3y/eaglesmile.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[FLC Dave]

Sorry, my bad, I will look at it again tomorrow when I get hope from work. As you can see this post was typed at 2:17 AM. Mowling did a three leaf design in a earlier design that had a light green color with a white innerline that made it have a silver like 3D appearance. Talk to you tomorrow.

I just checked it was on page 6 and yes it was by Mowling. How did you do that?

[FLC Dave]

Hey guys and girls, this was really really tough. I first would like to thank all of you for your hard work. I didn't think that there could be so many great designs and looks that I would like. I liked some of them so much I jokingly considered opening another business so I can use some of the others. Unfortunately, there can only be one winner. When it came down to it I had three finalists that were all pretty much even. I eventually decided on the design created by Mike Kukucka (Elkootcho), the deciding factor was the variety of ways I could use his design for my applications. The entire design will be used on vehicle and trailer signage and the FLC inside the oval will be placed on T-shirts and hats, and I will use the watermark and logo on letterhead. You guys all did well and I applaud all of you, you are a truly talented bunch of artists and will come highly recommended. Thank you!!!

Mike, congratulations on the win, you have earned it. Sorry if I gave you fits during the design process but your hard work paid off. Thanks!!! According to the contest guidelines this contest will be moved to the revisions forum. Where is that I didn't see a link for it? Is that a private forum where we will be able to exchange phone numbers or e-mail addresses? I would like to eventually send you pictures of your finished product on my stuff.

THREE CHEERS :drink: :drink: :drink:

[FLC Dave]

I guess the next step is automated since I am now in the revisions forum. I am leaving for a superbowl party and wont be home until late so I will try to contact you tomorow. If you have any questions please post them and I will reply tomorow. Thanks again!

[ElKootcho]

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Is this the one that you liked? Just let me know if you'd like to see any tweaks and provide the real phone number and I'll post the changes. Once we get those nailed down I'll send the final version in various file formats.

-Mike

[FLC Dave]

Yes Mike, that is the one that I like, could you add the wavy lines to that design please. By the way my phone number for the signs is 630-830-5075. I have a couple questions though. I am unsure how this part works. While designing the finished product you designed a watermark for letterhead and also had a design that just included FLC inside of the oval in revision #14 for t-shirts etc. Is all that included in the package you are sending me when done? If not I would also like to purchase that from you. I would also like to offer additional money for the sign you designed that has the Fairway Lawn Care inside the oval, This could possibly be use as a yard sign. I dont know about that yet. That design also needs the wavy lines. I would also like to have a sign made with the same font and color scheme with the grass on the bottom that simply reads "Aeration $45"with my phone number under it. (630-830-5075)This would be part of a temporary sign at the rear of my trailer when aeration is in season, spring and fall. I would like this design to fit on a sign 1' tall by 3' wide.

Mike, please work up a price for the additional work and I will send you a check for the difference if needed. If this isn't possible I guess I will have to enter another contest and hope the designer can match your work. I would prefer you, since you worked so hard on this. It is 11:45, I will get back to you this evening. I am getting married in may and have to register for a wedding shower. NOT looking forward to this at all.

[FLC Dave]

Mike, eventually I want to create door hangars and a web page. Can you do that kind of work also? If I started a contest later for that kind of work, how can I let you know about it?

[ElKootcho]

and have to register for a wedding shower

Been there, done that. Good luck ;)

Let me get the logo finalized and once it's approved, we can discuss all the other projects you have coming up. I'll be able to post something this evening.

[FLC Dave]

Its 8:12 pm and I just got home from the wedding registration. The travel times were doubled due to snow this evening coupled with rush hour traffic.

[FLC Dave]

Mike I recently sent this message to Soupy, (Lawn-tech) for his permission. Let me know if I have done somthing wrong. This may make it easier for you guys also.

Soupy, FLC Dave from Lawn-site says congrats on the marriage, and enjoy the honeymoon. I just went and registered today for a May 14th wedding. What a grind!!! Once again great new logo Lawn Tech and I think you also have some great designers working on you door hanger design. ElKootcho just completed my new logo and it looks great. You are about 2 weeks ahead of me on the same projects. I was planning on a door hanger project just as soon as I finalize my logo.

I would like to ask permission to use some of the design concepts that are being used in your project for my own hanger. I don't think we are in competing markets are we? I work strictly in Bartlett Illinois (west suburbs of Chicago). I DO NOT want to use any of your pictures but possibly a variation of your layout. I was also going to go with the business card layout if they are not too expensive. My logo design by ElKootcho already has the yellow and green color scheme in it with a little red. If you say no than I won't, and I understand. I will just let the designers come up with their own scheme. Either way, the color scheme will probably be similar though. Let me know or PM me at lawn-site if you wish. I am going to make a copy of this and paste it on a PM to you just in case you see it there first. 2/02/2004 Dave

If you find my finished logo on Design Outpost let me know what you think. Man, there were some great designs out there. Tough decision but I like what Elkoocho made. Looking forward to hearing from you.

[ElKootcho]

Hi Dave,

You can certainly ask Ken to use a similar layout and if he doesn't mind, then I don't mind. It wouldn't be too difficult to design something similar without it being an exact duplicate but obviously it's good form to ask permission so no can accuse anybody of "copying".

Normally I'd recommend asking privately via PM or email so nobody feels like their being put on the spot but there's nothing wrong with asking.

Now, as far as your logo is concerned, take a look at the attached and let me know if you'd like to see any changes. I added the curved grass lines, correct phone number and broke apart the oval which will be provided as a seperate file.

[FLC Dave]

Mike, your final revision is perfect as is no changes needed. Do I have any options with design #12. If you remember I asked if it were possible to purchase that design for use as a possible lawn sign. The only change I was requesting is to include the wavy lines in the oval also along with adding my phone number. If not no problem.
After this is finished, how do you suggest I procede with the door hanger. I hope I didn't put Soupy on the spot. That wasn't my intention.

[FLC Dave]

Mike I just received a PM through Lawn Site. Regarding the door hanger, Soupy replied

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Soupy wrote on 02-03-2004 01:58 AM:
Dave, you have my permission. I replied on my thread at DO so the designers could see also.

[ElKootcho]

After this is finished, how do you suggest I procede with the door hanger. I hope I didn't put Soupy on the spot. That wasn't my intention.


I know. No worries. Before beginning the door hanger, you should decide on a printer first. That way we have dimensions and print requirements before designing gets under way. It's obviously easier then having to modify a design after the fact. I know Ken is using PostcardWarehouse.com but you may want to check any local vendors as well, just do a search on Google to make up your own mind or ask over at lawnsite for recommendations.

I'll get the logos in a finished state in a variety of formats and then I'll shoot you any e-mail regarding the signs.

-Mike

[FLC Dave]

Mike, I recently spoke to the guy who will be making the vinyl signs for my trailer. He requested the file be saved /created in Adobe illustrator or photoshop. He said they prefer adobe illustrator and that the image is also a vectorized file (whatever that means). He further said the image will most likely be printed digitally. Does any of this pose a problem for you? Early in the design process I believe you said somthing about spot color for silkscreaning, is this the same file format? Your design will also get sent to a t-shirt shop for printing. Is this a problem for you, or is all this part of the final package?

I am still looking into printers for the door hanger project. I will probably go with the same company Lawn-tech goes with since you will most likely have the necessary specs from his project.

[ElKootcho]

All my logos are designed in Illustrator so it's not a problem. Illustrator is a vector program so your signmaker should be happy.

[Lawn-Tek]

Dave, I use http://postcardwarehouse.com for printing. The door-hangers are $499 for 5000 full color both sides. There is a $50 setup charge.

If you want to talk on AIM? PM me and I will give you my screen name.

Ken,
aka Soupy

[FLC Dave]

Thanks for the help Soupy, I dont know if I will be able to do the door hanger project anyway. Unfortunately my budget will not support even the minimum purchase. I am footing the entire bill for the wedding and it is going to set me back about 25K. My lawn business only brings in about 10k a year. So as you can see I am on a tight budget. This has been a side gig for me since I became a firefighter in 1990. I recently decided to expand my services and pick up some more accounts this year. I want to see what my limits are while still keeping some semblance of a social life. I will probably have the hangers designed and then put them on the back burner till next year. Or I may go to a local print shop and double up the design on some card stock, cut them in half and put a hole in them, kinda do it your self. My local paper boy said he will deliver them when he collects for his route. I believe door hangers are better advertisement than flyers though. For sure this year I will have the vehicle and trailer signage made up along with some uniform shirts. I beleive quality service along with a professional image will be my best advertisement. Most of my work has been by word of mouth except for the extra services I provide. BABY STEPS.

Soupy and Mike, I have a idea for your hanger project that might save you some money. I will probably encorporate this into mine when I do it . Have the hangers designed with your new business card at the bottom with a dotted line above the card. Then place a small sissors icon near the dotted line. See where I am going? The dotted line would seperate it from the body of the hanger and suggest cutting off the bottom to use as a business card. The perforations are a big up charge on door hangers arent they?

Mike let me know when you have finished up the logo project and then we will look at my options for the hanger design.

[Lawn-Tek]

Dave, the extra charge for preferations are $50.

Maybe you can do one sided hangers and save $100. I think the hangers will pay for their self.

[FLC Dave]

Mike, I received the zip file and everything is there. I noticed the colors are much different than what was on design outpost. Will the sign shops be able to correct them? I made a master copy in addition to a copy to mess with on my computer. Will I be able to adjust the colors using paint shop pro?

[ElKootcho]

The file that you will send to the sign shop will be the eps file. This file contains PMS spot colors which are specifc color formulas that most printers using PMS inks can match. I do recommend asking to see their swatch book before finalizing your order to ensure that you are happy with the color choices.

The JPGs are CMYK files, also known as process color. That means that all the colors are made up of a combination of varying sized dots of Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black. When converting PMS color to process color it's very common for color shifts to occur.

The other color forumla we're dealing with is RBG, which is of course what your computer monitor displays. The unfortunate and difficult thing is that PMS, CMYK and RGB colors rarely match.

I will tweak the jpg files to get them back in line with what you view on screen and resend them. Although they won't be a perfect match, I can get it closer. The EPS files are fine. Again, I HIGHLY suggest using your printer's swatch book to ensure that you are happy with the colors.

[FLC Dave]

Will the printer be able to use either set of files you sent me?

[ElKootcho]

Both images are hi-rez and most printers can use either. However, preference tends to be for vector graphics which is the EPS file. The EPS is spot color with specific color called out for matching reasons. If they want a 4-color file, the JPG would be the one to send.

[lawnforum2sanke]

Dave,

In the long run you are better of getting them printed at a print shop. Short term you will save a little. The costs for ink cartridges, the post card paper, etc. is a big factor. Short term, you will definitely not have to put out as much, but..... I purchased a 25 pack of glossy post card paper for the printer and they turned out alright, but were expensive. I think the print shop could have done better and the cost to do them would be cheaper.

Check out the thread on our site to see how it came out. I like them, but I will get a print shop to do mine next. Also, look at Hamons, he had them done by a friend that did a superb job.

I think what I am going to do before next spring, is have these guys design my post cards and then take it to a print shop. This way I can decide on a design that is sitting in front of me and then take it to the print shop and print as many as I feel I want. No fuss, no muss!

BTW Mike designed my logo. :)

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