Professional Trading/Consulting

[pengrus]

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[Palmer]

<!--QuoteBegin-pengrus+Jan 16 2004, 11:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pengrus @ Jan 16 2004, 11:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do not use too many colors for the logo as it costs money to print&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; . Next to the logo, it should also has the words Avenu International LLC.&nbsp; Please prepare a business card template copy of these.&nbsp; Logo is the core of the web site, so please use your skills.... [/b][/quote]
Sean, there is a problem with your requirements that is prohibiting the designers from entering.

You have 3 different skills that are needed to complete your project...

-Logo Design
-Web Design
-Print Design

Normally you would have 3 contests for these separate items.

[pengrus]

Palmer,

I have no problem to separate logo and print design. But if there is no satisfying entry by the deadline, I would request a refund. Please delete your post as it sounds like a lot of money and ... ;) Thanks!

[Palmer]

Ok, I've edited my post to remove the recommended minimums.

Thanks :)

[pengrus]

*bump*

anybody? :unsure:

[martincrumlish]

I will try to enter this if I have time....

Before I start can you give me examples of
a) some competitors sites
and
B) some sites that you like the design, style or colour scheme of.

Thanks,
Martin

[pengrus]

Looks like my original post missed something so I didn't get any entries so far. I have modified most of my requirements, and added the example web sites that I liked.

With the extended deadline, we really look forward to an active contest. Thank you in advance for all of your contributions!

[Tim Cordova]

Hello,

I'll work on something. I'll need a bit more info, such as what will be on your navigation. Links to your competitions sites(if any). How you would like everything laid out.

Tim C

[pengrus]

Thanks, Tim! I added the following to the first post:

Firm Overview / Services / News / Our People / Contact / Other


Please see the example web site for the layout style etc, and use your creativity.

Many thanks!

[Tim Cordova]

Hi, Here is my entry. I look foward to your feedback. Let me know if theres anything I can change.

Thanks,
Tim C

[Tim Cordova]

I can changes things around if you like.

[Palmer]

Here you go. I hope you like it :)
<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/ave/1.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Tim Cordova+Jan 28 2004, 09:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tim Cordova @ Jan 28 2004, 09:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi, Here is my entry. I look foward to your feedback. Let me know if theres anything I can change.

Thanks,
Tim C[/b][/quote]
Tim,

Thanks a lot for posting the first design. Great work here. I like its simplicity, and wish a little more details. Please look at my first two of my three example sites.

I do not like the sky pictures on the top. If we can make the menu bar and frame a little more refined that'll be great. Please also see the example sites for the fonts.

Thank you very much for working with me on this one.

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Jan 31 2004, 11:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Jan 31 2004, 11:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here you go. I hope you like it :)
[/b][/quote]
Palmer,

Thanks for helping me out on this one! I haven't decided on my logo design yet. So for now, please ignore the logos from the other posts. I like the clean design. I am not sure about the dividing blue lines on the page. If you browse through the first two example sites I posted, you will see the kind of layout that I really like.

I also prefer the menu line up on one line somewhere on the top.

Thank you!

[Palmer]

Ok, I'll make the changes soon. Thanks for the comments Sean :)

[hheine]

Sean, I´ll post one this week ! :) I´m in !

[Anne]

Just want to let you know that I am starting on this one today

- Anne

[pengrus]

Thanks a lot, Anne and Henrique!

[Anne]

Here is an entry from me

[Anne]

Some small adjustments

[Severner]

Entry from myself.

<img src='http://www.elusionstudios.com/temp/ai/layout.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Anne+Feb 2 2004, 11:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 2 2004, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Here is an entry from me[/b][/quote]
Anne,

Thanks for the great work!!!

I compared the two entries for quite a few minutes trying to figure out the difference between them. And I have to say I like the first one better for the following reasons:

1. The menu bar looks more 3d feel.
2. It is easier to see the menu bar fonts on the first design than the second.


Oh, the company's name is Avenu International LLC, there is no ending E in Avenu.

Please see the example sites that I posted. Is your design centered, left aligned or like designoutpost 100% of the width (which I do not like since mine will not be a content site)?

On the top menu fonts, I was wondering if it will look good if we use some font type like you used for "Lastest News"?

How could we dress it up a little bit? Could you please add a little arraw that works with "More" link?

Overall, it is very effective work, very clean style. The only thing is that I feel the top portion looks too flat and empty. Please take a look at this example, http://www.sgrlaw.com/terms.asp , if we could do something about it, that'll be great!!!

Thank you, Anne!

[Anne]

Thank you for the feedback

I will make the requested changes to the design later today.

EDIT: I was thinking a centered site as a think that might work best. I can of cource make it left aligned if you think that would work better.

Anne

[Anne]

I've made some changes.

- I've changed the font in the menu (same as in Latest News)
- made some small adjustments to the top part. I didn't change it to mutch because I think the new logo might spice it up a lot and it's easyer to make it look better when you have a logo to go after.
- added arrows and Read more links to the news section
- and some small changes in the content area just to make the reading more interesting :D

Let me know if you want to se some more changes and I will be happy to do it for you. Maybe you want to see some more colors, but I think it might look better with the colors the way it is. Sometimes less is more :D

- Anne

[LalitB]

Here's an entry from me.

[Palmer]

Revised entry...
<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/ave/2.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-prelude785+Feb 6 2004, 07:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (prelude785 @ Feb 6 2004, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's an entry from me. [/b][/quote]
prelude785

That's great! A couple of suggestions

1. The picture on the top, next to the logo and slogan. I don't like to put the people's pictures there. Can you make something more abstract here? The current one certainly does not look the best.

2. The black part on the left. Will it look better in dark blue (or any other color, I don't like the black)? Should we dress it up by using some bevels?


Thank you for your help!

[LalitB]

Made some revisions

[IDarwish]

Just letting you know Im starting on an entry :)..
EDIT: I have to go to the gym today so if I have enough time to finish I will today but if not then hopefully tomorrow :D

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Anne]

Some small changes to the header and content area.

[pengrus]

Anne,

Thanks for the revision! After looking at it for a long time, I feel the current color theme is a bit dark. Could you please change the color theme to match the following web site's color theme if it's not too hard?

http://www.milberg.com/


Thank you very much!!!

[Anne]

That shouldn't be to hard at all. I'll change it later today :)

[BrianDove]

Sounds good !
Ill enter :) expect one entry by tomorrow...
Brian

[Anne]

Updates

HTML (http://www.newfacedesign.net/designoutpost/trading/trading.html)

[BrianDove]

here is my first attempt:
please give som guidance :-D
( sorry for the bag quality of the screenshot :( )
<img src='http://aerodynamisme.com/Templates/template.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Im I on the right track ?

[Luc]

Are you looking for more entries? I might have some free time this week. So I might give this a try too.

[pengrus]

Yes. But better hurry since it will end on Friday evening.

Thanks!

[IDarwish]

As promised.. here is my entry :D .. Looking forward for your feedback :)

Thank You,
Carlos.

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Anne+Feb 10 2004, 08:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 10 2004, 08:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Updates

HTML (http://www.newfacedesign.net/designoutpost/trading/trading.html) [/b][/quote]
Anne,

Thanks for the quick turnaround. I think it looks better. But the blue does not match the one in the web site that I posted. Could you please change that?

Thank you!

[IDarwish]

Any feedback for me ? :D

Thank You,
Carlos.

[pengrus]

Yes, Carlos! :D Thanks for your entry. And I like it too. Here are some questions/suggestions:

1. I think the big thing is the picture on the top next to the logo. Don't you think we need to better picture here? And as I mentioned in the previous post, I like to see some artistic picture there. I understand it takes some time to find or create it, but it may be the deciding factor for this style.

2. The "S" line might be changed to accommodate the final logo and make it look better, right now like it is, it does not seem to integrate with the whole page very smoothly.

3. What are the pictures on the left on the blue bar such as Company News and Quick Contact?

Sine it will be center aligned or left aligned, please post the design so that I can also see the page background color.

Overall I think it's a good job. We still get three days to refine them.

Thank you!!

[Anne]

Here is an update

[BrianDove]

how about mine ? :crying:

[BrianDove]

Ok Then...
Here's another go...

<img src='http://www.aerodynamisme.com/Templates/template2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


?

:rip:

[Palmer]

Brian, you'll have to change the look of your buttons. Those are way too close to the Milberg site. We don't need Pengrus to get sued.

[BrianDove]

no probs palmer...
sorry for any inconvenient caused..

[Nemeliza]

Im working on something for this.

[Luc]

I want to show you this first before I continue. Am I on the right direction?

[Nemeliza]

Here goes:

[Luc]

I continued anyway. Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

Luc

[LalitB]

Made some changes to the header.

[IDarwish]

Here it is with the changes you requested :).. Looking Forwoard for your feed back :)..

Thank You,
Carlos.

[pengrus]

All right, everybody... one day left...

Here is a little help. I just got the logo settled for avenui.com . And here it is:


<img src='http://www.2square.co.uk/contests/avenu_bcv2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />




The first of the two below:

<img src='http://www.2square.co.uk/contests/avenu.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


Please try to fine-tune your design, and integrate the logo in. Let's try to finish this up by Friday evening. Thank you!!!

[IDarwish]

Here is my updated entry :).. If you need any changes just tell me and Ill change ASAP :D ..

Thank You,
Carlos.

[IDarwish]

oops.. I think I got the wrong logo up hehe.. ill fix it :)

[IDarwish]

Here it is .. again, any changes you need just request and Ill do ASAP :D.

Thank You,
Carlos.

[BrianDove]

updated entry:
<img src='http://www.aerodynamisme.com/Templates/template2.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Brian

[IDarwish]

Here it is with the logo fixed to match the template :D .. Looking forwoard for your feedback :)

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Anne]

Updates

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Luc+Feb 12 2004, 06:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luc @ Feb 12 2004, 06:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I continued anyway. Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

Luc [/b][/quote]
Luc,

The overall design is pleasing. The only thing I do not like is that computer that you stick in there. Anything else could go there? Again, this could be the deciding factor!

Please update with the logo that I posted.

Thanks!

[pengrus]

CoolBrian,

What's up with the footer? ;)

[pengrus]

Carlos,

The "S" line doesn't really integrate well between the logo and header..

[Palmer]

Added logo...

<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/ave/2.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[IDarwish]

Changes Made :) and right now I have to go to sleep.. Good night :rolleyes:

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Michael]

Ok here is the zip file with the logo in the folowing formats: PSD, png & Jpeg


The logo is just black, looking at the templates submitted you are all using different colour schemes and I'm not sure if Sean has decided on a colour.


Avenu Logo (http://www.2square.co.uk/avenu/avenu_logo.zip)

If you need anything else just let me know :)


Michael

[Anne]

A new revision after the new logo was added

[LalitB]

Made some last minutes changes and added the logo.

[Luc]

Hope I'm not late. I'll post my revisions later.

[Nemeliza]

<!--QuoteBegin-Luc+Feb 13 2004, 05:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luc @ Feb 13 2004, 05:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hope I'm not late. I'll post my revisions later. [/b][/quote]
Ditto.

[Luc]

Alright here goes..

Anything else?

--image removed--

[pengrus]

Sorry, looks like I need to extend the deadline again for the template design. :( The reason is the header part. All of the authors did a great job! However, I really do not like the header part with most of the designs. As I said in previous posts - I do not like big picture in the header, and they do not really stand out - most of them are buildings, can we get something creative or get something simple and elegant?

PLEASE take a look at the three sample sites that I posted in the first post in this thread, look at their header design and try to go with their style while designing your own one.

I understand that part of the reason is because my late decision on the logo. But let's give a few more days to get the header part redesigned.

I greatly appreciate your effort in this design.

Happy Valentines Day!

[IDarwish]

I will get right to the changes ASAP :) .. Just wondering when is the new deadline ;) ..

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Anne]

Made the header simple. I was thinking of putting a map of the us and one of china in the header but if you think it is a bad idea I will not look for any.

- Anne

[Luc]

You said you want an abstract, something that stands out. Here's my vision of it.

[Luc]

-=double post=-

[IDarwish]

Here is the changes :) ..

Thank You,
Carlos.

[LalitB]

Another try:

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Luc+Feb 14 2004, 09:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luc @ Feb 14 2004, 09:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You said you want an abstract, something that stands out. Here's my vision of it. [/b][/quote]
Luc,

Very good header picture. Thanks for your efforts in it. As I said the overall design is great. However, the major area that needs work is the logo integration. Right now, the top right logo area does not look good. Could you do something about it?

Thanks!

[pengrus]

Just restate my point before. Looks like nobody likes to change their header design style. :rolleyes: Did you really look at the sample sites I provided? Could we try something NOT like the current one: the logo + a long block of picture? intead try something like the style from the two sites below?

Now here they are again:


:box:

http://www.milberg.com/

http://www.sgrlaw.com/

:box:


Many thanks!

[LalitB]

When is the new deadline ? I would like to give this another try but wont have any time until tommorow night.

[IDarwish]

Ill have mine finished in about 20 -30 mins :)

Thank You,
Carlos.

[IDarwish]

I managed to finish it for you :).. Here it is :D

Thank You,
Carlos.

[IDarwish]

Some new little changes I made :) Tell me what you think ;)

Thank You,
Carlos.

[pengrus]

I don't want to rush any of you. But this is taking longer than I expected. How about another three days. That is by Feb 17, Tuesday night 9pm Central Standard Time.

Thank you!

Sean

[IDarwish]

Any changes needed one mine ;)

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Anne]

Avenu International (http://www.annesdesign.net/do/trading.html)

[LalitB]

New entry

[Palmer]

Version 3

<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/ave/3.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Nemeliza]

Update below.

[Nemeliza]

Another Attempt, any comments?

[Nemeliza]

wit logo

[pengrus]

Nemeliza,

Thanks for the entry. Some suggestions:

1. Let's move embed the logo that you put behind the navigation bar to the bottom right blue part where you put the content, and change the company name on the top back to what appeared on your first design.

2. And put the blue logo on the footer at a small size.


3. It is spelled "Avenu International", no e with avenu.


Will it be hard to overlay two pictures together when I work on other pages?

Thanks!

[Nemeliza]

<!--QuoteBegin-pengrus+Feb 16 2004, 06:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pengrus @ Feb 16 2004, 06:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Will it be hard to overlay two pictures together when I work on other pages? [/b][/quote]
Can you be more specific on this? im not sure I get what your saying.

Are you referring to any particular pictures?

[pengrus]

Not any particular pictures. What I was thinking was when I create other pages in the future, I would have two pictures ready. As the way you show them on the page, is that one picture over the other, or we need to combine two pictures into one then put it into the template?

How hard is it?

[IDarwish]

Here is a different style ..

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Nemeliza]

That is two pictures over another in photoshop, I vbelieve you can do this with 2 seperate images using css..layers?, ill look into it.

Ill have the revision in a little bit.

[Nemeliza]

Heres the revisions.

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Nemeliza+Feb 17 2004, 06:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nemeliza @ Feb 17 2004, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That is two pictures over another in photoshop, I vbelieve you can do this with 2 seperate images using css..layers?, ill look into it.

Ill have the revision in a little bit. [/b][/quote]
Please have them done as 2 separate images using css layers, that way, it is much easier for me to add or change pictures later on. Also I would like the random picture rotating script in it so I will have several sets of pictures to show.

Please let me know when you have these ready.

Thanks!

[Palmer]

Sean, the random rotating pictures would be outside of the requirements of this project and would be an additional charge if Nemeliza was chosen as the winner. I did that for you in the contest I won simply to do you a favor.

It sounds like you are asking him to convert it to HTML/CSS and show you the revision. This is not a problem if you are declaring him the winner but it is not something he should be doing at this point if he is not being declared the winner. It is a very time consuming request and above what should be expected of any designer here.

Thanks for understanding.

[pengrus]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Feb 17 2004, 11:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Feb 17 2004, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sean, the random rotating pictures would be outside of the requirements of this project and would be an additional charge if Nemeliza was chosen as the winner. I did that for you in the contest I won simply to do you a favor.

It sounds like you are asking him to convert it to HTML/CSS and show you the revision. This is not a problem if you are declaring him the winner but it is not something he should be doing at this point if he is not being declared the winner. It is a very time consuming request and above what should be expected of any designer here.

Thanks for understanding. [/b][/quote]
Palmer,

Whether it is a favor, an additional charge, or mutual understanding, I believe it should be something between the contest holder and the designer. I don't understand why you have to step in here, really. There are plenty of scripts for this function readily available and it really shouldn't be a problem for a skilled designer.

Thanks for understanding your customer.

[Palmer]

I'm stepping in because you are asking for something outside of the original requirements of the contest. It also sounds as if you would like him to convert the mock-up to html/css which is also above and beyond what is required at this stage of the contest. JavaScript is not part of every designers skillset and would be considered a programming function in this case.

If you want to declare him the winner then I am sure he would be happy to spend the time to convert it. I am saying it is not something he should be required to do now.

It is my job to step in when I see an issue that needs attention. That is part of my duty to the operation of this site as the Administrator. I do the same thing for the clients when a designer is not following guidelines.

I'm sorry that you don't see this as something that is needed. I do.

[pengrus]

Palmer:

You might not have seen Nemeliza's response and here it is:

<!--QuoteBegin-Nemeliza+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nemeliza)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I vbelieve you can do this with 2 seperate images using css..layers?, ill look into it.[/b][/quote]

Please do not tell us what to do or what not to do - to charge or not to charge. That's really something between the designer and contest holder and they will work together to reach an agreement. If there is any disputes or disagreement, we will come to the administrator for a solution. But this is not something that broke the rule, but a normal part of the process. I am just following up to his answer and that will be one of the factors that determines the winner.


<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm stepping in because you are asking for something outside of the original requirements of the contest.[/b][/quote]

There is no way a client can specify every technical aspect in the requirement. That's just the beauty of project management/development. But, fair enough, I now know your expectation of your designer team and your standard.

Let's end our conversation here. I also would like to end this contest as early as I can.

[Nemeliza]

Come on lads lets all calm down.

I have looked into it and should be able to make the images using CSS so they can be 'stacked' on top of each other, however the javascript to generate a random image to display is beyond my scope, there may be scripts freely available to do this but how well they will 'fit in to my design' is another matter.

I dont mind displaying the images as a stack but I cannot take responsibility for a script which will rotate them.

Apollo (Nemeliza)

[pengrus]

I would like to thank all of the designers who have helped in this template design. The top three designs that I narrowed down are:

Lebdesign
Anne
Nemeliza

I would like to express my appreciation for all of your time and patience.


The final winner goes to Nemeliza.

Let's move on to Revision forum....

Sean

[Anne]

Close call. Congratulatoin Nemeliza, greate work :tup:

[IDarwish]

Cool Congrats Nemeliza :tup: . and Thank you Pengrus for the words, it was great compeeting with all of you. :D

Thank You,
Carlos.

[Nemeliza]

Thanks, u all u made me work for it!

[pengrus]

Nemeliza,

Could you please post the revised home page and the subpage please? I am really under the time pressure and trying to wrap up this project and would greatly appreciate your earliest response. I couldn't reach you today.

Thank you!

Sean