CTF Ministries - Prize: $150

[Jeremy W.]

Good afternoon, (Admin code added by Palmer - W3319791K)

I'm doing this for work, so any references to "I", "we", etc should refer to Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship ( http://www.tacf.org ).

We need a design template completed, with the following specifications:

Site: www.ctfministries.com
Purpose: Site for a million-viewer TV show. Must represent current content areas as well as future content areas.
Navigation: text-based preferred, vertical or horizontal is fine.
Other information: This will be converted to .NET, so all that is needed is a template. We are looking for something freindly, professional, etc. Pictures of people are good (supplied on demand, we literally have 1000s sitting around), friendly colours are good. Black backgrounds are evil. Frames are evil.

More information to come, upon demand. I want to give pretty much "carte blanche" to allow for creativity though :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

Closing Date: 21 March, 2003

[beetle]

Any preference regarding CSS layout vs. table-based layout? If CSS, will you require a printer-friendly stylesheet? (please answer this Q for both your template contests)

[Jeremy W.]

In terms of CSS vs Table-based layouts, I think table-based would be more appropriate, because of the wide variety of users using the site. We literally get people with IE3 using our sites right now :( Don't worry about the printer-friendly CSS, I can do all that programmatically :)

[beetle]

I can definitely do one, but I'm too busy at the moment. I can probably squeeze in an idea next week.

[Jeremy W.]

TACF VISION STATEMENT
"To walk in God’s love and then give it away to Toronto and the world."

TACF MISSION STATEMENT
To impact Toronto and the world by welcoming and responding to God's presence, communicating effectively and developing world class leaders.

TACF VALUES
God's presence
Father's Love
Jesus' sozo
Holy Spirit
The Bride
The lost

ABOUT TACF
(from http://www.hartfordinstitute.org/research/...olomaart8.html) (http://www.hartfordinstitute.org/research/research_pentecostalism_polomaart8.html))

In 1986, while John and Carol Arnott were pastoring a church in Stratford, Ontario, John felt a call to plant another church in Toronto. By 1991 they were able to turn the Stratford church over to the associate pastor and to begin pastoring the Toronto church full time. Much of the early efforts were devoted to counseling, inner healing and deliverance, and, as Arnott (1998: p. 4) describes it, "Somehow battling the darkness had become our focus rather than dispelling it with light. Inadvertently, the devil had become too big, and God, too small!"

Reportedly "dry" spiritually from all the ministering, John and Carol Arnott began to see other powerfully anointed ministries in action and prayed that they might be similarly empowered. Responding to what they believed was the word of God spoken to them, they began to spend their mornings in prayer and to interact with others who were specially anointed. Their search took them to the revival in Argentina in November 1993 and to attending meetings with many of the Argentinian evangelists. It was here that Claudio Freidzon, an Assemblies of God evangelist, singled John out asking him "Do you want the anointing?" As he gave an affirmative response, John reported something "clicking" in his heart. He later reported, AI received more of the Holy Spirit's anointing and power by faith."

Meanwhile, a Vineyard pastor from St. Louis, Missouri, Randy Clark, was experiencing a blessing of his own through a series of Rodney Howard-Browne meetings in Tulsa. When he heard about Clark's experiences, Arnott invited him to come to preach four meetings at the then Toronto Airport Vineyard. Clark came on January 20, 1994 and the unexpected happened to the 120 persons gathered there. As Arnott (1998: p. 5) reports: "It hadn't occurred to us that God would throw a massive party where people would laugh, roll, cry and become so empowered that emotional hurts from childhood would just lift off. Some people were so overcome physically by God's power that they had to be carried out." Unknown to them, the seeming pandemonium experienced these and subsequent nights had precedent in early American revivals (see Synan 1997; Riss 1997; Chevreau 1994).

The "Toronto" or "Father's Blessing" is a bonafide new religious movement that is beginning to illustrate the stages identified by scholars (Mauss 1975). It has experienced emergence, coalescence, organization and bureaucratization, as well as signs of decline on the North American continent. It is within this framework known as natural history theory of social movements that I wish to continue this narrative.

ABOUT CTF MINISTRIES
The Soaking Centres program will be done under the auspices of a resource from the TV Show, CTF Ministries (www.ctfministries.com, for which a design is also being done through DO). This is a million-viewer TV show, though SC will be completely separate and doesn't need to really tie in at all.

EXISTING TACF SITES
www.tacf.org - this is the main site. While it hasn't been designed in forever, the colours and design tones do reflect what the leadership likes. Don't feel constrained by this though, as I'll give specific instructions for things I do and don't like.

www.partners-in-harvest.org - the network of churches TACF is part of, and runs. That's the new site, the old site is /old/.

som.tacf.org - the bible schools we run. the old site should be visible at /old/.

resources.tacf.org - the online bookstore

Hopefully these will give you some ideas for what is liked and what doesn't tend to go down too well. As I said, feel free to experiment, show samples from other sites or whatnot, but I am more than open to a variety of different design styles.

Basically this is a brochure site more than anything. We'll be creating a private area for Soaking Centres, where participants can talk to each other and get free resources, but that will likely just be a copy with slight changes of the existing site template we'll be getting from you guys.

Hope that helps a little bit... At then end of the day the audience is conservative, but not afraid to try out bold things. For imagery, people are great, especially people worshipping and so on. Feel free to view out magazine from the www.tacf.org page, as that may give you some ideas (as would the conferences brochures) of what we normally do in design.

J

[Jeremy W.]

You can watch one of the shows (I think it's the new format...) here: http://www.tacf.org/livetv/schedule/ctftv/jan14.asx

[Jeremy W.]

http://server2.tacf.org/examples/jeremy/flame2.jpg

Here's our flame...

Image fixed - beetle

[Jeremy W.]

http://server2.tacf.org/examples/jeremy/flame2.jpg ... works fine for me...

J

[beetle]

Well, I may not have a chance to do a template here, but I can contribute something =)

This zip file (http://www.peterbailey.net/clients/do/TACF.zip) contains a .csh (Custom Shape) and .asl (Layer Style) to duplicate the logo.

I made these in Photoshop 7 but they should import into Photoshop 6 just fine.

Extract TACF.csh to "PhotoshopRoot/Presets/Custom Shapes/"
Extract TACF flame.asl to "PhotoshopRoot/Presets/Styles/"

To import the shape, select the Custom shape tool (from the Tool palette flyout, it's the bloby star-looking one) or by using Shift + U until you've selected it.

From the option bar, click the shape selector dropdown palette, and then select the shape menu, then select 'Load Shapes'. Pick the 'TACF.csh' and bam! You're set

Hmmm, maybe a picture will do better than words...

http://www.peterbailey.net/clients/do/adding_shapes.gif

Adding the style is similar, just get the option menu (similar to step #3 above) from the Styles Palette, 'Load Styles', and select the 'TACF Flame.asl'.

The result? In mere seconds you can reproduce the logo at any size with complete ratio and color accuracy!

http://www.peterbailey.net/clients/do/TACF_flames.gif


Enjoy :D

[Zoe]

That is soooo very cool - can you post how to actually make these shapes in the first place in the tips area?? I have never thought to make them myself before.

[Jeremy W.]

We've got it as vector based and a font already ;) But yeah :)

Thanks though :D

J

[beetle]

Jeremy
I was quite sure you would. The logo just looks like vector art :)

I pretty much knew that this would mostly be of use to the other designers (who have Photoshop) :D Besides, having it as a Shape is just that much cooler B) and easier than using an EPS, saving it in another PSD, or importing paths from Illustrator.

Palmer
Told ya :lol:

Demex
Making the shapes is pretty easy. Create your shape on a Fill Layer with a Vector Mask.
Make sure you have the path selected (you should see the path outlines. If the layer is selected but the mask isn't, click the mask again or hit the 'Enter' key)
Go to Edit >> Define Custom Shape... name it and hit 'Ok'
Now, see in the graphic I posted above, in the menu close to #4? You need to go to the 'Preset Manager'.
Select your shape (or hold Shift and select multiple shapes) and click 'Save Set'
Name your .csh file and save it! Voila!Note in the option menus for other palletes you can save swatches, gradients, brushes, and more.

[Zoe]

Thanks Peter - I will certainly be using this tip!

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Sorry the thread went a little off topic
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Back to topic starting now....


I will work on a design for this site over the weekend. :)

[Jeremy W.]

'Preciate it :)

[Jeremy W.]

If it helps, I've attached a screenshot of the software we've developed which will run this site :)

J

[Palmer]

Here's my entry in this contest. Hope you like it. Let me know what you think :)

<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/tacf/1.png[/img]

[Huhhso]

Hi! Here's is my template based on the info. Please let me know I have missed additional features etc...
Thanks! :D

[Doni]

http://ronquillos.com/soak.jpg

Heres somethin i played around with

Doni

[QSDA]

Here's my entry. The color scheme is still changable.
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/CTF.jpg

( :lol: at first, this thread really confused me, because of the mixing 2 threads, but now I'm ok :D )

[TwistedNewMedia]

Hey Jeremy,

Do you have a link or possibly a zip file with some pictures of people that I can make a banner out of? If you do Id appriciate it a lot..thanks:)

-Kat

[Zoe]

Here is my entry. : )

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout.jpg

[beetle]

Has my shape helped all of you Photoshp users? :huh:

Just curious :blink:

[Zoe]

yes! Thanks Peter - very helpful for me

[synax]

Jeremy, I will put together a design for you today/tomorrow if you can get us some images to use on the site, maybe upload a zipped package of photos you like so I can use them in the design.

-Jon

[Palmer]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate all your hard work on this contest. Jeremy will be very happy as well (I hope) :)

[Jeremy W.]

Okay, I've obviously got a lot of information to share, and here's how I'll do it:

1. Layout and sections I've been given as of a new meeting yesterday. This will allow folk to refine their designs and so on if they choose.
2. Current graphics from CTF Ministries site. This will allow things like the current logo (which is very good to use as opposed to making your own ;)) to be used. You can modify this, but it just means more bureaucracy for me :)
3. Images from past conferences and such. This may be later, as I've got to get the designer to scan them, but if not I'll dig some up from online. At the end of the day we want these pictures to have life and energy in them, whichever ones you choose.
4. Examples of layouts/sites I like for fulfilling our purpose, or who belong to "peers" and "competitors", to give you some ideas to play off of
5. Critiques on current designs

I'll try and do most of this today, but you never know... :(

J

[Jeremy W.]

Layout and sections I've been given as of a new meeting yesterday. This will allow folk to refine their designs and so on if they choose

Okay, attached is "layout.jpg".This file is a generic mockup of the type of thing I've been told we're looking for. Again, text links are good, but if you want to use graphical ones that's fine, so long as I get a separate buttons.psd file if I need to make new ones. For buttons, there will likely be varying numbers so, while I love the curves on QSDA's image, I'm not sure how well it will work, with varying numbers of sections.

On the right hand side will be specific box ads for:

- soaking centers (ers, not res...), "How To See Revival in Your Town", Resources, Prayer and Support (donate, that kind of thing). As I indicated in layout.jpg, I'd like those to be split up by an "upcoming shows" box, so that it's not just a load of little ads. For ads, I like the way thetab.org has their 3-4 little boxes. Nice format I think, and would like some folk to take a stab at this.

For sections, here's what I've been given (as seen in layout.jpg). Feel free to give input though :)

Home
Meet John & Carol
The Vision
Schedules
Watch the Program
Behind the Scenes
Testimonies
Links
Soaking Centres

I'd like to do away with the home button, and be able to have it elsewhere, and definitely have the logo clickable, however I'm open to options and thoughts.

For the template, it needs to be stretchy. Fixed width is okay, so long as you have space on the right/left, and so long as the template doesn't just "stop". Not to pick on QSDA, as I LOVE the design, but that's an example of a template which both won't stretch very well, nor does it look like it would work as a fixed size layout very well.

Please don't feel picked on though, because I love the design, as I'll indicate later :D

I hope this is enough in this section. If you have questions, please ask :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

Current graphics from CTF Ministries site

Attached is desktop.zip. Included in this file are:

1. ctfministriessite.psd: PSD from current site, in case you want elements and so on. Please excuse the fact that I don't normally name layers ;)
2. allflags.psd: PSD with the 3 flags in it. Sadly, this isn't actually the separate flags. I must have lost that one, sorry :(
3. set.jpg: photo of John & Carol on the set
4. maciek.psd: photo of a guy in a funky pose. Dunno why, just cause.

Hopefully that helps :) Oh, and the logo is in the ctfministriessite.psd file. Just a font with a drop shadow on it. Feel free to make some minor changes to it :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

Images from past conferences and such

Still waiting on this... sorry...

[Palmer]

The zip file attachment didn't upload, can you try again? :)

[Jeremy W.]

k, that's it from me for now, some other things just came up. So, I still owe you guys some details, but I'll do my best on those for the end of the day.

J

[Jeremy W.]

Ah, of course :)

http://server2.tacf.org/examples/jeremy/desktop.zip :)

J

[QSDA]

The autostreching shouldn't be a problem. There are probably a couple of ways to do it, but I used a background image to fill the open area.
the background img is 1px x 2000 (could be 50000 its all basically a white area) px = 218 bytes.
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/BG.gif
Here I upped it on a free server.
Total size = approx. 21kb.
http://home.1asphost.com/htmlstaff/temp/index.html

Try resizing it. It should work.

[Liz]

Hi...


Here's a quick mockup I came up with. The top and left are well-developed, but I haven't done much with the middle area or the right. If you thought the design might be something you'd want to use, I'd be happy to flesh it out more.

Mockup: http://clients.snapfire.com/ctfministriessite.gif (header quality is bad because of overall gif compression).

Thanks for your consideration,
Liz.

[Zoe]

Attempt 2. (demex.02)

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout2.jpg

[Jeremy W.]

Okay, I haven't been able to get the images scanned, so I'll just make comments on designs, 1 post at a time (becuase I tend to be in and out of the office).

Before I do that, the actual phrase for CTF Ministries is:

Igniting the Fire of God's Love in American, Canada & the World

I realise you were just taking form what I'd written and from the TACF site, so this is my fault, sorry!

I also encourage everyone to read all the critiques, as I'll be trying to include information on what I'm looking for in each one :)

Palmer01:

It feels very bland. I realise this was just a testing the waters design, so I hope you don't take my opinoins harshly :) I'm looking for something more alive. I like the Home/Contact Us buttons on top right, that's something I believe I'd like to see across all designs (thereby negating the "Home" button in any menu. So if you include it in your design, don't include it on the menu).

I don't like the word "menu" on it. Seems to self-explanatory, but it also seems to just sit there. I like the vertical menu. In fact, I'm about 95% sure I want the primary menu to be vertical from all submissions. The image is a nice one, but too bland and simple. This is going out to a million people so it needs to be both more vibrant and more... Inspiring :)

[Jeremy W.]

Huhhso_01:

To be perfectly honest, while you fulfilled the requirements, you only "just did". It seems like a bare minimum design, which is perhaps what you intended. I don't like the colours (too "rich guy office"). I'm looking for something more vibrant and alive. I really like the image for the ahnds you took (looks like one of ours :)), so very well done on that :) The curves just aren't appealing to me...

That's about all I have to say. I realise this was for the Soaking Centres thing, so you included the login/pass, but you can drop that. Anyways, I'm looking forward to your next entry :)

[Jeremy W.]

Doni_01:

I love the vibrancy, I really do! I don't like the coolness of the blue vs the orange, but I love the "feel" that comes across, well done :) Great lines. Normally I'm not a fan of hard lines, but you've pulled it off really well. I also realise this was for Soaking Centres, so you'll need to ammend this to be for Catch teh Fire Ministries, and include the tag line for the TV Show, which is: Igniting the Fire of God's Love in American, Canada & the World.

I'd like different images, but since I haven't uploaded the image pack yet, me saying that isn't being very helpful, is it? You can drop the login box and search box, and if you can add in the right-hand boxes as I indicated earlier that'd be great :)

Thanks for entering, I do like the way this could turn out quite a bit, as the logo is very bold and the feel is very good :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

QSDA_01:

I'll leave comments for your ammended version.

Demex_01:

I'll leave comments on your ammended one.

J

[Jeremy W.]

QSDA_02:

I have to say I really really love the lines. I give the header an 8 out of 10. The only reason it doesn't get a 10, is that the logo just seems to sit there, while the "under the darker brown" image is so great. The text on that image needs to stand out more, perhaps an outer glow or summat :)

As I said, I really love the lines. I like the menu a lot, especially the email link, very well done on that. My only question is "waht about when we need to add or remove links". I indicated above taht this happens a lot in this orgnanization, so what are your thoughts regarding that in your design?

Beyond that, the colour scheme is very monochromatic, and I know we're looking for something with a bit more "oomph". I know I keep saying "lively" in every review, but it's true, we're looking for something very vibrant, which reflects the TV Show itself.

All in all, a great design, probably my second favourite of the bunch, and with some adjustments and more colour I could easily see myself picking something like this :)

Don't forget to include the right-hand stuff in your next design :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

A few extra comments on designs I've already commented on (just showed them to the VP's).

Doni_01:

Forgot to include this :) I love the way the menu items overlap the actual menu area, very good :)

QSDA_02:

Everyone agrees that the design is nice, but it doesn't really feel "big TV show" ish, if you know what I mean. Reall it feels too "soft", was the comment they all made.

J

[Jeremy W.]

rabbitdog_01:

Hey Liz! :D

I really like the overall feel of this, very well done :) A few small things: make sure to change the tagline to what I indicated above: Igniting the Fire of God's Love in American, Canada & the World.

I like the header alot, though it would be good to have some people in there, since the show is "for the people". It's meant to be very different from most religious shows in that it deals with real life, talks to where real people are at, and gets them connected to God. So, people are good :) It's also an international show, so showing that aspect (as I did when I did the current site) is a good thing.

The design doens't really feel "together". Especially the tabs and the pinky bit up top. Without that, though, it feels too monochromatic. The VP's thought yours had a lot of potential to become a world-class design, so I'd really like to see it progress, including the right-hand bars :)

As I said earlier, I really like it, so don't take my comments too negatively :) The header really is the strongest part, and I'd like to see that strength become part of the rest of the design as well.

J

[Jeremy W.]

Demex_02:

I love this design :) The changes in my head are more stylistic than anything negative about your design, so I'll just list them point form:

- change the tagline to be: Igniting the Fire of God's Love in American, Canada & the World
- get rid of those feet. I know you'll need some images of people, but we can certainly provide those when I upload teh Image Pack
- While I like the menu, I'd prefer to have it vertical on the left, and waht you have on teh left moved to the right (and still fit in with the design of course)
- right items should feel more self-contained and boxier, in my opinion, like thetab.org's 3 boxes on their front page.
- The flower... It really adds a lot of vibrancy, but one of the VP's said "is this Catch the Fire or Catch the Flower?". Sorry. I'd love to see the fire incorporated somehow so it fits, and I don't want to lose that sense of vibrancy (though perhaps a little bit of the spring feel ;)). See what you can do?
- drop the designed by demex. While I personally love promoting designers, we have a policy of never including credit links. We just never know how people will be in 10 years, and don't want to be tied to something we don't agree with in the long run, especially as a christian ministry :)

This really is a world-class design, and once we drop a bit of the XP feel to it, I think this could easily be the one. Play around a little and let me know what you come up with, as I'm eager :)

Hope that helps :)

J

[Zoe]

ahhh the XP feel - I had kinda wondered where I had picked up this new technique. I don't have XP myself so it wasn't quite hitting me in the face. I like the style though - comes across as fresh.

I have had quite an extensive play with the layout. I recreated the logo as I needed to be able to resize it. (thank you Peter for the flame, came in handy)

The flower: I didn't want to remove it as I felt, flowers often create a warm feeling - happiness even... I also tried incorporating pictures of happy people and it was begining to look overcrowded and was losing the fresh bright approach.

I have included two layouts here. One with the man and one without. Personally I like the one without, though wanted to show you the difference. You can incorporate pictures of people within the body of the design.

The menu can be text links making it easier to change. The right hand side boxes. I didn't want the page to look like everyone elses so I have tried to make this area along the specs you have provided as well as make it a little different.

At this stage I have spent a lot of time on the design and I do need to do some business work - so if you feel you would like more changes to the design i will be happy to do so if it is the winning entry. : )

Thanks for the opportunity.


Demex 03.

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout3.jpg

Demex 04.

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout3.1.jpg

[QSDA]

I'll have an another entry for you then.

[Jeremy W.]

Finally have hte Image Pack done :)

Here it is: http://server2.tacf.org/examples/jeremy/imagepack.zip

J

[Huhhso]

Hi, here is my updated post for the CFM site...
:)
<img src='http://www.pixel-dragon.com/freelance/cfire.jpg[/img]

[Palmer]

It's more colorful, hope you like it :)
(ps-for some reason, Paint Shop couldn't open the Photoshop files you uploaded so I improvised)

<img src='http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/templates/tacf/2.png[/img]

[Liz]

Hi Jeremy,

Here's an update from me ... hopefully this version reflects some of the changes you wanted to see.

Thanks,
Liz.

http://clients.snapfire.com/ctfministriessite.jpg

[QSDA]

Whoa, I think this is one of the most concentrated work I've ever done :lol:
Colors: I was looking for something lively yet easy on the eyes.
It is stretchable and very lightweighted. Let me know what you think.
<img src='http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/CTFqsda02.gif[/img]

[Jeremy W.]

Demex_03/04:

Okay, top down :) I liked those green buttons you had before, and would like to see home/contact us in there, though with a smaller font than before. That flower is starting to get to me. I think the design would still be smashing without it or the yellowy orange... What do you think?

I prefer the headerstyle from 04 more, but would like to see some international bulidings in the place of the flower, though I'm open to suggestions.

The flame still needs to be flamey (the orange to yellow gradient), but that's a minor detail.

The menu is good on a per-item level, but it does seem to just "sit there" a little. Anything that can be done about that?

Beyond that, I think this can be made to work with some minor alterations. If you can do some of those, I'd be very glad for it :)

J

[Jeremy W.]

Huhhso_02:

Hey mate, I like the feel of this, but I don't think it really fits with a healing, wholeness kind of show. It'd be great for a youth site though ;)

Something certainly more ... dunno, just less in your face might be good?

J

[Jeremy W.]

Liz_02:

Hey Liz, It's a good effort, it just doesn't feel very "together" at all, ya know?

J

[Jeremy W.]

QSDA:

Hey mate, I like the way this COULD be, if the colours weren't so puke green (no offence). Wanna try a whole different colour set? My only other comments would be that I'd still prefer for the menu to be text-based, and for there to be a right-hand area as well (where your announcement-type things would go).

Let me know :)

J

[Palmer]

Mine must of been perfect :D

[QSDA]

How's this one?
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/CTFqsda02b.gif

[Zoe]

I had a little play with the header. I considered using the images of people you supplied but I found them to be a little out of focus when I tried to incorporate them the way I wanted, so I turned back to your original images.

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout4.jpg

[Jeremy W.]

Sorry for the delay, I jsut got promoted and work's been crazy. New leader for this project will be joining and posting the final 4 soon :)

J

[drochili]

hey everyone... Jeremy just handed over the project to me, so I'll be consulting with him the next day or 2 and post the few designs we like. I really like all the designs so it'll be a tough choice ...

Darrick

[drochili]

good morning everyone, well we've reached a conclusion : these are the final designs

- Demex
- QSDA
- Rabbitdog

I'll post some more info on what changes are needed after i show the ppl in charge these designs

Thank you

Darrick

[Zoe]

Here are the revised changes. Please understand that I have spent quite some time looking for images of people worshipping and they are very hard to come by. If you have images that you would like to be used rather than the ones I have implemented please let me know. I did take a look at the images posted to this board but unfortunately they were blurry and did not work well with the design.

http://www.demexdesign.com/ctf_layout5.jpg

[drochili]

Demex.... that's ok for now.. I'll ask Media for images later on. I'll present this with the rest of the finalists, and if they want to change the image, I'll find some for you..

thanks for the quick reply

Darrick

[drochili]

Ok ... the powers that be have finally decided that they liked Demex's design.
Thanks to everyone that has participated .

Darrick

[Palmer]

Congratulations Zoe :notworthy: Good luck ;)

Thanks Jeremy and Darrick :tup: I'm looking forward to seeing that site when it's done. Let us know when we can see it.

[Zoe]

Thanks everyone... :)

[sdollen]

Zoe,

that is a really cool design. I'll be anxious to see it live!

Congratz!


:D