River City Pet Watch Illustration *Project Over*

[Memphis]

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Hi all!

River City Pet Watch has a wonderful professional logo and now we need a warm, cuddly mascot to represent us. Of course, I've come back to the masters.

This is my idea: I would like a drawing of a shetland sheepdog (or a collie) to represent my own dog, Hannah (see my welcome page (http://www.rivercitypetwatch.com) for an example). I love this sheltie, especially the sweet face, but I need my own.

I will use the illustration on my website, newsletter and flyers. Later, I will want to embellish her with different things such as eyeglasses for the newsletter (Hannah is the editor ;), a santa hat at Christmas, etc., etc. For the $100 prize I would like a plain sheltie and then one with a leash in her mouth. I realize that $100 is the minimum recommendation for an illustration, but I want you to know that I am willing to up the prize for embellishments, a companion kittie, different poses, etc. In other words, if you want to go all out, feel free to do so :D.

All this stuff (http://www.designoutpost.com/illustrations.htm) will need to apply.

Please let me know if you need any pictures or any other explanations.

Thanks and I'm hoping you're not too busy for this one. :D

Kristyn

[Memphis]

:whistle: :D

It's really quiet around here. If you are interested in entering, would you just let me know? I gave a 10-day deadline because that is what is recommended; however, I really need it as soon as possible. If I get a design I like, I will close the contest early and move on to the next step.

Waiting to see if anyone is going to enter your contest feels kind of like waiting to get picked for a game in elementary school. :P

[AlexKogan]

I'm interested ;)

I have some questions:

1. do you want the dog sitting like in your welcome page or maybe you would like some other pose? Maybe you have some photo or link to a reference image? Any photos of your dog would be of many help, also ;)

2. do you want the illustration to be cartoonish or realistic? Or a little bit of the two (stylistic)?

3. do you plan to use it on the web only or also on other media, like in printed stationaries (business cards, letterheads) t-shirts, embroidery and such? The number of colors to use will depend on your reply to this question ;)

4. You will probably need new poses and details in future on different occasions, so it maybe a good idea tha you just run this contest for the two mentioned poses (with and without the leash), which have very little differences, and then just contact the winning designer directly every time you need any other pose and deal the price with the person. Just an idea. ;)


Cheers!

[Memphis]

Darn! I should have said, "Feedback is appreciated." B)


Alex, so happy you are interested!

1. do you want the dog sitting like in your welcome page or maybe you would like some other pose? Maybe you have some photo or link to a reference image? Any photos of your dog would be of many help, also

I like the dog sitting but I am open to other opinions and ideas, especially from artists. ;) I will get some photos posted tomorrow, but I am not the best photographer so I don't have many. You could use Lassie as a model. :lol2:

2. do you want the illustration to be cartoonish or realistic? Or a little bit of the two (stylistic)?


Ummm...this is a hard one for me because I'm not sure of the definition of each. I believe I want stylistic, though. What would you call the one on my welcome page? I like it.

3. do you plan to use it on the web only or also on other media, like in printed stationaries (business cards, letterheads) t-shirts, embroidery and such? The number of colors to use will depend on your reply to this question

I'm not going to use it on business cards, letterhead or t-shirts. I will probably just use it on the website, the quarterly newsletter (which I do in Pagemaker and covert to PDF with link on website), and posters/flyers. I will print the flyers and newsletter at home or at Kinko's (do you have Kinko's?) and will not do any heavy duty printing, so go ahead and use as many colors as you like.

This will be our "team mascot" so to speak. Very informal. I have a professional, very nice, El Kootcho logo for the formal stuff. My idea is for something fun and cute that will make people go "ahhhhh...".

By the way, I'll be holding a poster contest immediately following this one.

4. You will probably need new poses and details in future on different occasions, so it maybe a good idea tha you just run this contest for the two mentioned poses (with and without the leash), which have very little differences, and then just contact the winning designer directly every time you need any other pose and deal the price with the person. Just an idea.


Thanks for the direction. Opinions and advice are welcome! :D

[AlexKogan]

Hi, Kristyn :)

What would you call the one on my welcome page? I like it.

It's cartoonish. Ok, we'll find out what we can do ;)

[Christian]

:D Hey there Kristyn! Here's a quick draft of where I'm headed. I'll wait for your op before I start working on the actual piece ASAP.

[AlexKogan]

Christian ;) :tup:

[Memphis]

:P
She's cute Christian! I like her, but I need to get you some pictures for a few details. I'm working on scanning some pictures for you. I'll get them up for you soon.

:D

[Memphis]

I realize I didn't give you guys much to go on, just the one cartoon, so I have scanned some pictures of my dogs and am uploading to my webpage here (http://www.rivercitypetwatch.com/gallery.html). It is taking forever to upload and will probably be a pain to view. Sorry, please forgive. Also, let me know if you need to see some better pictures and I will hunt some down on the net and post.

Christian, your dog makes me smile everytime I look at her! :)

I like the style, so please continue!
Love the flirty eyes, love the fur, the colors and hair around the ears. Very realistic. The snout could be a little thicker and not so skinny. Same with front legs. Could you draw the front legs a little straighter and thicker? Also, your dog has what we call "gentleman" ears :P . A lot of shelties have them, but the ears should really tip over a little at the top. Supposedly, tipped ears contribute to a softer expression, which is desirable in the breed.

Thanks for your work. I like her!

kristyn

[Memphis]

Ummm..."gentlemen" ears is not what I typed. :blink: I wrote "p-r-I-c-k" ears. Just a description, not a bad word. :lol2:

The censor is a little over zealous me thinks. :P

[Michael]

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The censor is a little over zealous me thinks. :P [/b][/quote]
:lol:

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! :lol2: I'll refrain from making any jokes about the "gentleman" censor. A lot of the pictures that you posted didn't show up for me, but the ones that did looked really good. I had searched for collies on the net but the ones you posted look way better!

Here's the next draft. I made a few changes, most noticeably the snout. I was looking at the pictures and decided to draw her with the snout facing forward just to see how she would look and liked it so decided to show you that version now. Give me your op on which version you prefer and which other details do you want changed back, changed completely, or to remain the same. After all details are decided, I'll start working on the final version.




PS. Thanks Kogan!

[Christian]

And here's the other version!

[Memphis]

Christian,

Nice job on the ears. The tail is great, so are legs and fur,etc. I like the face on the first illustration better, and have been trying to pinpoint what it is all day. This is what I have come up with: the face looks softer & sweeter, eyes not as big, and not as much difference between width of face and snout (but still a little too pointy). I like the lighter color with the white blaze going up the face. Don't worry about making the drawing look like one of my dogs (markings, etc). I would rather it just be recognizable as a sheltie with a sweet expression. Another small detail I really like on the first one is the peachy pink color on the inside of the ears.


PS: Thanks for no jokes about censor. :oops:

[Memphis]

What do I like about this illustration?

First, I recognize it to be a sheltie.
Second, I like the sweet look on the face, the tilt to her head, and the little smile.

Other than it looking like a sheltie, the expression is what I think I am drawn to. Everything else is cute but not essential.

[Memphis]

Here's another

[Memphis]

I found this link (http://www.netrover.com/~rowangln/frameset.html) which shows a nearly perfect looking sheltie. Under "breed standard" on the left, click on "type". You may want to see "profile", too. Plus they have tons of cute puppy pictures :P . I'm not looking for perfection, but just thought it might help with drawing the face.

[AlexKogan]

"gentleman" ears :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sorry, Kristyn, I couldn't resist :D :lol :lol:

If I get some free time tomorrow, I'll try to draw something, as well. Sorry, I'm full packed :(

[Memphis]

"gentleman" ears&nbsp; &nbsp;

sorry, Kristyn, I couldn't resist&nbsp; :lol
Haha! :rolleyes:

If I get some free time tomorrow, I'll try to draw something, as well. Sorry, I'm full packed&nbsp; :clap:

Great job on the shack, by the way!

[Memphis]

This is my wallpaper. Good headshot. :)

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! Sorry I haven't posted recently, I fell terribly ill for the last two days :( but feeling a little better now. Here's the latest draft. Keep in mind that the hair will be smooth and flowy in the final version. I'll be waiting for your post! ;)

[AlexKogan]

...hi, Kristyn ;)

thanks for the praise ;)

Here's a draft. Comments are welcome :D

[Memphis]

Christian and Alex, :clap:

[Memphis]

Christian, sorry to hear you've been sick. Hope you are back to normal soon! :yes:

Very nice! I would still like the snout/nose a little thicker. I think a wider snout will make her look more like a sheltie than a collie. Am I messing up the style by asking this? Artistic opinions welcome. :) Also, along the same lines, the first drawing you did, I asked you to straighten the front legs, now I think the curved legs may go with your over all design better. What do you think?

[AlexKogan]

...wow, didn't know there were difference between a sheltie and a collie :huh:

[Memphis]

Alex, I'm happy you found some time. Thanks for your submission.

Your's is a very different style, and that is totally OK. :yes: The two things I am after are 1) recognizable as a sheltie and 2) a sweet expression.

I think your illustration looks like a sheltie, but would like her to have a sweeter expression. I know it is kind of subjective, but by sweet I mean soft, pretty, gentle or kind.

Please continue ~ I like! :)

[Memphis]

Hey Alex!

Yeah, there is a difference, although people always say, "Oh, it's Lassie!" when they see my dog. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone said that. :lol2: Actually, shelties are Shetland Sheepdogs and you can compare the difference between shelties and collies to the difference between Shetland ponies and horses. Just a little tidbit. People are always crazy about their breed, aren't they? :rolleyes:

Thanks for your work. :)

[Memphis]

"There is obviously no denying that, at first glance, the Shetland Sheepdog looks like a miniature Collie. However, closer examination reveals some subtle but important differences. The Sheltie head is a long, blunt wedge, not as narrow as that of the Collie, with a definite stop (the step up from the muzzle to the top of the skull) which is less defined in the Collie. The Sheltie head has more room for the almond-shaped eyes. In addition, the Sheltie is not as refined for its size as the larger dog; just as a magnified Shetland pony would resemble a heavy draft horse rather than a riding horse, so a proportionally enlarged Sheltie would be heftier than a modern Collie."

[Memphis]

Christian, I meant to tell you that the smaller ears, slight tilt to the head, and sweet expression were not lost on me. :tup:

thanks!

[Bethie]

Yeah, there is a difference, although people always say, "Oh, it's Lassie!" when they see my dog. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone said that.

I know exactly what you mean! I have an Old English Mastiff and everyone tells me, "Oh, it's Marmaduke!" Nope, Marmaduke is a Great Dane! :) I was going to submit an entry but was pretty much blown away by Christian's and Alex's. :o

[AlexKogan]

Hi, Kristyn, thanks for the info :tup:

So, is my sheltie recognizable as sheltie and in case she isn't - what would be the details that I have to improve?

Meanwhile, I'll try to figure out how to make her look sweeter :D

(P.S. it's a she, I just can't call her "it" :D )

[Memphis]

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Alex, sorry if I confused everyone. In a drawing the difference would be so small that I think anyone would have a hard time distinguishing between the two. In fact, I'm not sure that I would know that the illustration on my welcome page was a sheltie, rather than a collie, if it hadn't been labeled "sheltie". That's why I said in my earlier posts that you could draw a sheltie or a collie, and that you could use Lassie as a model. So, let me rephrase: I would like the illustration to 1) resemble a sheltie and 2) have a sweet expression. Since both drawings are cartoon types and not realistic, I don't see where the body makes too much difference. I mean, since cartoons are not really proportional anyway (right ??). On Chistian's drawing, however, the nose is long and thin (well, I guess sheltie's are too :blink: , but maybe not as much) and that particular head detail does remind me of a collie. I just got off on a tangent explaining the differences...you know, I'm just proud of the fur-kids. :rolleyes:

All that to say, your illustration is a sheltie. Pass! B)

Here is some more specific feedback.
1. I really like the way you drew the body, and the way she is sitting (Christian, don't change yours :P ).
2. I like the ears and the way they tip forward. Maybe the left ear could sit up higher on the head?
3. I really like the white, fluffy "mane", but that makes "her" a "him". :P Like lions, the males have a big poof of a mane and the females not so much of one. I think maybe just trim down the "mane" just a little on the left side - not too much, though, because I do like it!
4. Another suggestion is to maybe make the eyes more almond shaped than round.

Alex, I hope this helps. Please keep in mind that not only am I not an artist, but I am also a "big picture" kind of girl and not so great at pinpointing the details, so feel free to "push me" a little if you need more. I'm trying to be a "good" contest holder :D and give you enough direction, but its also hard to critique someone else's good work. You and Christian have both done a wonderful job! Thanks so much!

kristyn

[Memphis]

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[QUOTE]

Oh, of course! ;) :D

She's come to life now! :)

[Memphis]

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I know exactly what you mean!&nbsp; I have an Old English Mastiff and everyone tells me, "Oh, it's Marmaduke!"&nbsp; Nope, Marmaduke is a Great Dane!&nbsp; :)&nbsp; [/b][/quote]
[QUOTE]

:lol:
The difference between shelties and collies is pretty subtle, what with the long, "lassie" type coat and long muzzle and all. I mean, how many dogs look like that! But the difference between Danes and Mastiffs is huge! Uh...no pun intended. :)

[Memphis]

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Bethie, I love Sleepy Frog Productions site. Very cute! I was looking around earlier when the batteries in my mouse died with no warning. I'll go look some more later this evening.

I would love for you to submit an illustration! Alex and Christian's are wonderful, but very different, and there is room for even more differences. :)

:ermm: Was that sentence proper grammar? :lol:

PS: Do you mind me asking where in Northern Virginia you are? I lived in Alexandria from ages 5 through 8. Not long, but lots of memories.

[Memphis]

I found the following and thought it might help.

Sheltie #2 :wub:

[Bethie]

PS: Do you mind me asking where in Northern Virginia you are? I lived in Alexandria from ages 5 through 8. Not long, but lots of memories.

Hey Kristyn, thanks so much for the nice comments on my website - as you can see, I'm just a novice, so I really appreciate that, especially in this group of excellence. :huh: I live in Alexandria now ... Springfield/Kingstowne area. LOVE IT here. Oh - and my pizza guy always says, Ha! You have dog like horse! when he delivers here [snort]. Sorry for the off topic. I'll see if I can put something presentable together for you.

[AlexKogan]

...I suppose a blue eyed sheltie may cause a stir among specialists, but she definitely looks sweeter this way :D

For some reason, she reminds me of Sher. :blink: :D

[AlexKogan]

...I reckon that the degree of head tilt affects the overal cutesy ;)

[Memphis]

Alex, :woot: :lol:

[Memphis]

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[QUOTE]

The eyelashes and nose, maybe? :lol2:

[Memphis]

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[QUOTE]

"Why of course it does, Alex", she says with a heavy southern drawl.

[Memphis]

Bethie, small world. I remember Springfield. Think we lived about 30 minutes from there. We lived off of Old Mt. Vernon Hwy.

[Bethie]

Bethie, small world. I remember Springfield. Think we lived about 30 minutes from there. We lived off of Old Mt. Vernon Hwy.

Small world indeed! The rescue group that I adopted our [20-lb each = 40 lbs.] bunnies from is over that way - very nice area. [Can you tell I have a "thing" for big animals?? Don't get me started on my 25 pound cat.] ;)

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! Thanks for the "get wells", feeling a lot better now. :D Here's she is with the wider snout(and made it just a tad shorter), and the curved legs.

[Memphis]

Christian, that looks beautiful! :D

kristyn

[nvoke]

okay I thought I might give this one a go...
let me know what you think.
Njoy

[Memphis]

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The rescue group that I adopted our [20-lb each = 40 lbs.] bunnies from is over that way - very nice area.&nbsp; [Can you tell I have a "thing" for big animals??&nbsp; Don't get me started on my 25 pound cat.]&nbsp; ;)[/b][/quote]
[QUOTE]

:blink: 20lb bunnies and a 25lb kittie??? :woot: Got any pictures of your monster size fur-kids? I'd love to see them.

[Memphis]

Piece of Mind, I just had a few minutes and was going to post some comments for Christian. I wasn't expecting to see another great design! I really like the face. Let me get back to you with other comments.

Thanks!

kristyn

[Memphis]

Piece_of_Mind :woot: That's Hannah! What picture did you go by? One on my website? Can I see your entry "zoomed in" a little?

Thanks for your entry!

kristyn

[Memphis]

Christian,

You have captured "sweet". :D

I've come up with a few details I would like to see, hope they make sense.

1. could you make them tip over a little more, and maybe make them a tad smaller. See pics below.

[Memphis]

Ooops...hit the wrong button.

2. square off the muzzle just a tad more and make the black nose a little larger.

3. make the white collar wider with the darker fur out to the side.

She's very nice. Thanks bunches!

[Memphis]

Christian, #1 is about the ears.

[Memphis]

P.O.M.,

Nevermind. It's been a long day. After I closed all the programs, I see my wallpaper and realize that is what you went by. :rolleyes: It's been a long day. Also, no need to show me the "zoom", I figured that out also. It really does look like my dog, although not from the photos of her. I'll get back to you. This day has been so busy.

Thanks again for your work.

[Chocolate]

Late entry here! :P Feedback will be appreciated.

[AlexKogan]

Amanda ;) :tup: Now I see you;re really back :D

[Christian]

:D Thanks! Really glad you like her! Here's the next draft!

[Memphis]

Wow! What talent!

P.O.M., could I see her with white on all fours and white tip on tail? Also, I think maybe no "eyelash" but keep the "eyeliner". By that I mean, remove the top line on outside of eye, but keep the bottom one that goes straight out. Also, maybe no pink above lips, and no "corners" on mouth. Very nice!

[Memphis]

Sunil, thanks for entering! Good job! :D Could you make the eyes nice and black? Also, make the white "collar" come up under her chin with brown hair out to sides, and make the white collar all one big puff instead of two.

[Memphis]

Christian, purrrrfect ears! I love the way the fur looks. Now, can you get a little smile on her face? In pics 1, 2, and 3 above the dogs are all smiling. :yes:
In your very first draft with the leash it looks like her mouth is open a little. Just do something like that with a little pink. :rolleyes:

[AlexKogan]

Wow, Christian, what is the shampoo brand she uses? :D Looks great :tup:

[Christian]

:D Kogan! Shhhh, it's a secret shampoo! I'll see if I can hook you up!

Kristyn, here she is smilin'! Remember though, that the final version will be way more polished!

[Memphis]

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:blink: More polished? I can't imagine. :)

[Christian]

:lol2: So no more changes?

[Memphis]

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Well... :innocent: ...since you asked... a few things on my wish list would be to:

1. carry the white blaze on her muzzle up between her eyes or maybe just make another white mark in middle of head

2. lighten the mahogany fur (the darkest) just a little

3. not sure about this one, but I'm thinking I would like more white collar showing, but let me print out and look pics for awhile and I'll get back to you


This is fun! I just say what I want and you just :wizard:

Thanks Chistian. Great work!

[AlexKogan]

Kristy, I'm not exactly jealous, but... do you happen to have some feedback on my last entries? :whistle2: :D ;)

[AlexKogan]

Shhhh, it's a secret shampoo! I'll see if I can hook you up!

Christian, does it kill flees? I desperately need one! :blink: :D

[Memphis]

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:o Alex, I'm so sorry! I've got to run out for a while but I'll be back with comments. :yes:

[Chocolate]

Eyes and white collar modified:

[Christian]

Here she is! :D With a new, improved "secret" shampoo!

[AlexKogan]

Oh, boy, that secret formula has a conditioner included! :o

[Bethie]

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC -
Kristyn, you'd asked about photos. I posted some on my website at Pics of the Kids (http://www.sleepyfrog.net/pets) - there is one of my daughter napping to give you perspective on the cat - plus think I'm required by law to show pics of my child when bragging on my family.

[annia]

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:lol: good job everyone .. I want a sheltie now :rolleyes:

[Christian]

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC - (...continued)


Whoa Bethie! :blink: Eve..r.y.thing is s..soo big!!!!!!! :lol: Your daughter must feel so small living with pets that large! Put more pictures of the bunny! I've never seen one so big!

[nvoke]

with ch changes...

[Memphis]

I'll be back soon with comments. Thanks for revisions! Alex, I haven't forgotten you. :D

[Bethie]

TOTopic ...
Christian - I'll see if I can get him to pose with his wife - he is rather crabby so we'll see what happens. They are both rescue bunnies and didn't even know how to hop when we adopted them - they just sorta crept around like little Gollums for the first few months! Creepy.

[AlexKogan]

Rescue bunnies? :huh:

[Memphis]

Hey, I like that people are popping in on the contest! It's kind of like having friends in the living room. :P

Ummm...I'm in the kitchen re-grouping and thinking. :D Would anyone like something to drink? Glass of wine? Hors d'Oeuvres? Breakfast? Whatever time zone you're in :lol:

I've got some really great designs and I'm just deciding which direction to go before I ask anyone to do any more work. Thanks very much for submissions. Be back shortly.

[AlexKogan]

I'd definitely like something to drink :D Can offer vodka with melon. Or just vodka. Or just beer for those who don't :)

[Memphis]

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[QUOTE]

I had to look up "Gollums". New word for me. :rolleyes:

[Memphis]

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[QUOTE]

:lol:

[AlexKogan]

I had to look up "Gollums". New word for me. :rollyes:

I still have no idea what the hell does a "Rescue bunny" mean :blink:

[edit: who killed the BLINK emoticon?! :o ]

[orion94nl]

A bit off-topic!

Hi Alex and Bethie and Memphis,

Alex: a rescue bunny is a bunny rescued by an animal shelter while it has been dumped by the owners (just out on the street, in forest or whatever) or because the owner has brought it to the shelter for numerous reasons (it bites, family is allergic :huh: (often just an excuse), children don't pay attention to it any more and the bunny is sitting only in its case (mostly a too small one). Not many people know of bunnies being in shelter and therefore ...................... I am opening soon a site (www.rabbitpal.com) where only rabbit shelters can post their rescued bunnies.

Bethie :wub:
I am so happy you rescued those bunnies. When my site is on-line would you be willing to write a little story - with pics of your great pets - about your rescue bunnies? so to let other people know rescue bunnies ARE great pets! I will e-mail you when the site is online.
Only waiting for Henrique (hheine = designer, programmer) to make it all work!

Memphis: Your sheltie look gorgeous!!
I like the one of piece-of-mind but ..... actually I like them all :) :)
Good luck with your decision! I know it can be tough.

Regards,

Marie-Jose
I was the one who did a rabbit logo in january here at DO.

[AlexKogan]

Thanks, Marie-Jose ;) That clarifies the thing out ^_^ I can sleep peacefully now, without bothering about the mistifying rescue bunnies looming in the night :D

[Bethie]

I see I went to bed waaaaaaaaaaay too early last night ... missed out on the drinks and the after hours party! :) Marie-Jose I will be very happy to write something up for you about our bunnies. Today I'll make an effort to get some good pics. Alex - all my animals are "rescued" animals. They come from organizations that find homes for misplaced pets.
Yawn ... anybody wanna jump up and get me some coffee? :)

[Raja]

great thread

[Memphis]

I'm extending deadline to March 17th.

Bethie, sorry you missed the party the other night. ;)

Everyone, sorry if it seemed that I dropped the ball. Not so, just getting some feedback. At this point, the contest can go in any direction and there is no clear winner. All entries are very nice, but I've not found exactly what I'm looking for yet. So here comes some feedback. :)

[Memphis]

Alex (I know you've been waiting the longest ;) ),

What I really love about yours is the body. Even though yours is the most cartoony, the way she is sittng, the overall shape of the back, legs, collar (white puff) is the best.

Ahhhh! This is hard for me to put into words. Although it is more of a cartoon, the proportion and curves, etc. seem more "real" (or maybe I just like them). Having said that, and now to be even more confusing :rolleyes: , I think the face and head are too cartoon-like and I would like that to look more realistic. I know, I know. You're probably thinking :wacko: "What is she saying?".

Bottom line, I like the body too much to discount your illustration, but I'm not as crazy about the head, and I'm at a loss to tell you how to change it.

[Memphis]

Piece of Mind,

I am enjoying! :)

Yours is just so pretty and so realistic. I love the whole head, face and collar.

I like the eyes better without the "extra eyelash", but there is something about the mouth that I am not crazy about. Also, the body is not realistic enough to go with the face & head. I'm not sure, but what if you made her sit facing foward? I also realize that most of the pictures I have posted show the head and not many show the body, so I will try to find some body shots if that will help.

Great work! I feel somewhat ridiculous critiquing it. :huh:

[Memphis]

Christian and Sunil,

I'll be back with some comments later this afternoon. ;)

I'm too slow, and I've got to go take care of some pups.

[Christian]

Heya, here's another go at the other kind of face! :D

[Christian]

And here's a quick fix with the eyes closed :D

[annia]

christian inspired me :blush:

[AlexKogan]

Annia :tup: Great style! :D

[Christian]

:lol2: Thanks Annia! Here's another version Kristyn!

[Memphis]

:blink: Christian, Wow! You're so fast! :lol2:

OK I'm not ready to post comments for you. I have to print them out.

[Memphis]

Annia, that is a very cute style! :yes:

Maybe not such a pointed nose ~ I'll be back with more.

Thanks!

[Memphis]

Sunil, thanks for your entry. I would like to see the white collar (fur) not come down so far ~ just have it stop higher up on the front legs. Also, the eyes are slanted down a little too much. Maybe make them go straight back on outer corners. If that makes no sense, let me know.

[annia]

you were right about the nose :) here is a slightly different version.. I wanted to try out the "holding the leash" pose .. although I got it without the leash too
thanks alex :D > corel painter rules!!

[Chocolate]

White fur heightened up and eyes made more straight:

[Christian]

:D Here's a draft of another version I'm working on but wanted to know if you liked it better than the other one before I kept working on it.

[Christian]

Last version! promise! :lol2:

[AlexKogan]

Christian, I'm :rip: :D :tup:

[Memphis]

Christian! :o What are you trying to do to me!

:D

If you are trying to show me that you can draw anything, you've succeeded!

:lol2:

I'm a little overwhelmed by all of your creations. Give me some time. ;)

Thanks very much!

kristyn

[Memphis]

Sunil,

thank you for the updates. :)

kristyn

[Memphis]

Christian,

Is there a way to go back in and number your entries?

PS: Good contest holders aren't supposed to gush, but the quote that comes to mind is, "You had me at hello". ;)

[Memphis]

Christian,

I loved the ones from yesterday, but I think I love the ones today more. Especially the first one, but I'm not sure I want to "throw out" the first babies, yet. That first one today...those ears, the colors, the nose... :wub: I'll get back, must look more.

PS: Not too much conditioner, ok? :)

[Memphis]

Annia, Annia, Annia! :D

That is so cute! The soft colors and the style give it an "old-fashioned storybook" feel. That is the best way I can describe it.

Did you intend for it to come out that way or was it an accident? :) What I mean is, do you think that you could draw more animals (kitty, bunny) with that same look? I'm not asking you to draw it now, I'm just asking if you think you could?

Thanks for your charming entry.

PS: I've totally given up on the "not gushing" part. ;)

[orion94nl]

Did you intend for it to come out that way or was it an accident?&nbsp; What I mean is, do you think that you could draw more animals (kitty, bunny) with that same look?

Annia just adores bunnies :D !! She competed in my contest and was one of my finalist for my rabbitlogo.

Looking at all the entries, I would say, all designers here adore animals!!
This is a really nice contest! showing the great skills on illustration the DO-designers have.

And, Krystin, I do feel sorry for you that you have to pick a winner one day. mmh, what about picking two winners? It is now or never.

regards,

Marie-Jose

[Memphis]

Bethie, glad to see you back and competing. Hope you're feeling better! When you get some time, don't forget to post more pictures of giant fur kids. :)

[Memphis]

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And, Krystin, I do feel sorry for you that you have to pick a winner one day. mmh, what about picking two winners? It is now or never.

regards,

Marie-Jose[/b][/quote]


I know, I know! :wacko: :D

[annia]

I am glad you like it :D I actually had exactly this picture in this style in my mind. And yes I could imagine drawing more animals and even backgrounds in this style.. cos I like it :)

MJ .. I loved your contest and will never forget it ^-^ Its nice to see you are still around! how is your website coming along? is it online already?

[Memphis]

Christian,

This one, this one! :clap:

:wee:

[Memphis]

Christian, the proportions are perfect on this one. Thought I liked the ears before, but these are best! This one barks at me, "I'm a S-H-E-T-I-E!" If you refine this one, keep lips black and keep hair kind of coarse. White hair on front legs can be smooth and soft looking like last few dark shelties, though.

She's great!

[Memphis]

<!--QuoteBegin-annia+Mar 14 2004, 12:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (annia @ Mar 14 2004, 12:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->... I actually had exactly this picture in this style in my mind. And yes I could imagine drawing more animals and even backgrounds in this style.. [/b][/quote]

Are ya reading my mind? :lol:

This is the look I was trying to achieve with my website! :)

[Memphis]

Christian, where are you? :unsure:

[Memphis]

I extended the contest until the 17th, but I've gotten what I wanted, actually more than I wanted, so I'm going to close the contest and name a winner shortly. I guess the contest can be moved to the Revisions Forum for final touch ups. Thanks so much for the wonderful illustrations everyone. I'll be back shortly. :)

[Christian]

:D I'm here, Kristyn! I'm working on a polished up version and should be posting soon!



*Thanks Kogan! :lol2:

[AlexKogan]

Kristyn, the contest is moved to the Revisions Forum only when the winner is declared :D Looks like it's my turn to throw the towel, isn't it, Christian? ;) :tup:

[Christian]

This one was indeed fun! And we all came out knowing way more about shelties, collies and giant bunnies than anyone would've thought! :lol2: I still need to add more white fluff and fix a few other things but I'll wait for your reply first!

[Memphis]

<!--QuoteBegin-ChristianSanfiel+Mar 15 2004, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ChristianSanfiel @ Mar 15 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This one was indeed fun! And we all came out knowing way more about shelties, collies and giant bunnies than anyone would've thought!&nbsp; [/b][/quote]

Are you sure you don't mean way more than you ever wanted to know? :lol:

[Memphis]

Really though, this was a very fun contest for me also! At least until I had to pick a winner. That part is hard, especially when everyone of the designs was superb. You all made it look so effortless, but I know alot of your time went into the designs

Alex, Piece of Mind, Sunil and Annia, thanks so very much for participating and making it so difficult to pick a design. Annia, I love your style. If I could have chosen two, I would have picked yours, too. I will pm you about maybe doing some other drawings soon. Alex, I really hate to say good-bye to Cher and the others. She was a favorite for sure. Sunil, very nice work. Many people liked yours the best. Piece of Mind, what can I say? Your entry was beautiful and I think worthy of a frame! Thank you again everyone.

Christian, a special "Thank you" to you. You gave me exactly what I was looking for again, and again, and again! :lol: Just choosing between all of your summissions was difficult! I'm sure that the final outcome will be great, so guess we can move to "revisions".

[nvoke]

very well done, christian :tup: you're designs are just really professional and unique, and kind of quirky too, I am a fan :blush: hey and what program do you primarily use for illustrating?

and thank you for being so kind kristyn, you've been a real treat :)
Njoy,
amanda

[annia]

You really got some major outstanding illustrations for this contest, kristyn :) I guess its also due to your wonderfull feedback. I like contests where the holder gives much and detailed feedback.

Amanda ;) he uses Corel Painter.. like I used for my illu ... Its a terrific program.. you should take a peek at it.

Congrats Christian :D I really LOVE the last version you posted!! very very cute!

Kristyn :) I am looking forward to your PMs ;)

[AlexKogan]

Christian, you da man :tup: :D Great woKr! :D I'm going to buy me a new hard drive, install WinXP and Painter8. You've convinced me :D

The contest has the winner now :D
Great woKr, Team! :tup:
Thank you, Kristyn, for such an interesting contest :notworthy:
It's been real pleasure :)

[Christian]

:lol: :blush: Thanks guys n' gals! I've never seen so many smily faces :lol: Just reminds me how nice of an experience some of these contests can be! :tup: Thanks again everyone! Next to the revisions forum! I'll be posting a revised one later today!



(Let me just add to the smily pool!) :lol: :D ;) :)

[Chocolate]

Late entry again here! :D :D :D
Congrats, Christian! :tup:

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! Here are a few fixes! Will be waiting for your post!

We should be moved to the Revisions Forum anytime now! :D :unsure:

[Memphis]

Hi Christian!

Sorry for the delay. I'm in the process of moving. :yawn:

I made a composite of my favorite five plus the last one you posted. I liked all of these, but the over shape and proportion of #1 is what grabbed me. I like the way the white collar comes down in front, the ears, the feathers around the face, the size, the expression.

On #2, I like the face and expression. I like 2 less than 1 because chest is wider, white collar is more "pointy" and the "feathers" around her face aren't as "feathery".

On 3, 4, and 5, I like the expressions and faces. I do still think that you nailed the nose and face shape with #1, but I like either type of eyes. If first type of eyes are easier, that's ok with me. I like them both

I know I haven't commented on the new one, but I am totally beat. I will have to get back tomorrow when I am fresh.

I'm curious, did you draw 1 and 2 by hand?

Thanks again for all your work. I'll try not to drive you crazy and finish up quickly. ;)

Be back tomorrow.

[Memphis]

Thanks Alex!

I'll be back with a poster contest as soon as my character mark is finished!

See ya then! :D

[Memphis]

Happy Birthday Alex! :D :party:

[Memphis]

Help me out here Christian. I don't understand why the last one looks different from 1 & 2. I'm thinking that you sketched 1 & 2. How close to 1 can you get?

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! The last one's hair has been smoothed out, the dark hair has been turned a light brown, the nose is a tad tad smaller, the light tan color has been livened up a bit and hmmm, think that's it! :D

So you want to go back to 1?

[Memphis]

What I meant was that I thought maybe you drew 1 and 2 with colored pencils (or something) and then scanned them, while you did the latest on your Corel program. What do I know? :rolleyes:

I really like #1. I even like the brush strokes, maybe just a little smoothing around the front legs. I like the hair sticking up around the ears and looking kind of wild. I like the colors, face and expression. I guess what I am saying is that I like #1. :lol2: I appreciate you trying to smooth her out and make her extra pretty, but I like her not too smooth. ;)

[Memphis]

I love #2's face also. #1 is a little more serious, #2 a little more playful. :)

[Christian]

;) We'll get her perfect, trust me! I'm going to have one up by tomorrow with all those elements. :D See you then!



Christian

[Memphis]

2Square ~ There has been no activity here because I moved last week and am having trouble getting my cable connection "connected". Christian knows this and meanwhile is working on my design. I am using a public pc currently, but hope to be back on tomorrow, Wednesday (crossing fingers).

[Michael]

That's Ok, thank you for letting me know :)

[Memphis]

Hi Christian ~ You've done a great job! I love her.

My wish list:

1. shape the white collar (front) like #1 instead of "round" (this is not absolutely necessary if too difficult, but think I like it best)

2. soften ear color a little

3. make ears a just a tiny bit smaller, like #1 or #2

4. carry the white "blaze" on snout a little farther up (like #1 or #2) and add a little between ears (also like #1 and #2)

5. add blue leash (pantone 301c or dilution) to match logo

[Christian]

Hey Kristyn! Before proceeding with the different versions, need your thoughts on the fixes you asked for! :D They were all slight changes, so tell me if you need them to be more noticeable.

[Memphis]

Very nice! :) Changes are purrrfect!

For some final ideas...

What if you feathered her out just a little (use some of that secret conditioner)? I like the "spikes" but am wondering how a little blending and smoothing would look.

Also, what if you added a little darker color to the face for depth? Kinda like #3. Also, maybe a little black in with the darker brown around the face. Not too much ~ just enought so that the colors aren't so distinctly separate.

I'm not sure about these changes so I might change my mind once I see 'em.

Thanks Christian!

Kristyn

[Memphis]

Christian ~ forget what I said about adding the black. Maybe dark brown?

I hope I'm not driving you crazy. :rolleyes: This should be it. :)

I do need the leash version now, however. Please? :) I can wait on the others.

Thanks a bunch,

kristyn

[Memphis]

:whistle2:

Christian? You out there? :)

[Christian]

:D Yep! Was out for the day so haven't been able to tackle this but I'll get on it ASAP!

[Christian]

Here she is, thoughts??

[Memphis]

:woot: :clap: :clap: :wee: :wub: :wub: :wub: :)

Better than I could have imagined!!!

:kiss: :)

[Memphis]

OMG Christian!

I can't stop looking at her. She's gorgeous!! :wub: :wub:

You are a :wizard:

:D

[Memphis]

Hey Christian...what if you give me a "rough" file now so that I can go ahead and start my poster contest? They could use it to design the poster and then I could send them the "refined" file when you are finished. What do you think?

[Memphis]

Note: leash should be pantone 301C to match logo/website. It can be a dilution (if that's what you call it) of 301C.

[Christian]

Heya, here's a small, layered PSD. It's all the designers will need! :D Sorry for the delay!

[Memphis]

:huh: Have ya forgotten me Christian? :crying:

[Christian]

;) Not at all, was waiting for you to start the other contest. Thought you were MIA. I'll have the files by tomorrow.

[Memphis]

:)