do IT fluid company Website - $450

[LongboatHarry]

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do IT fluid company Website - $450 for 3 HTML pages
Please read the full brief found at http://www.doitfluid.com/brief.zip
This contains a Word doc listing exactly what we want on each page.

Company Name
do IT fluid Ltd
Can be abbreviated to dIf where necessary

Company Profile
An affordable provider of innovative software solutions for small local businesses.

Domain Name
www.doITfluid.com

Project Scope
New Site

Intended Audience
Small local businesses, with little or no IT infrastructure, independent of their business area. We are happy working with anyone from pet stores to tanning salons.

Look and Feel
Must convey two key qualities
- Professionalism
- Cool/Dynamic/Reactive/Flexible.

Inspiration
The brand of professionalism we would like to convey is more “Amazon” than “IBM”.
The brand of cool and dynamic we would like to convey is more “iPod minimal” (and usable) than an all singing all dancing flash and JavaScript Site.

Materials
do IT fluid have two logos --> (Michaels entries). One is called the “main” logo, and is to be used on all the English pages. The other is called the “Welsh” version, and is to be used on all the Welsh pages.
do IT fluid also has an “icon”.(DesignGeneral) This is to be used on the Splash page.
do IT fluid also has a mascot dragon.(Arthouse) This can crop up anywhere :P

Materials included in brief are found at
http://www.doitfluid.com/brief.zip
This includes:
- do IT fluid logo, Welsh and English versions (Michael’s winning entries)
- do IT fluid “icon” (DesignGeneral’s winning entry)
- do IT fluid dragon mascot (Arthouses winning entry)
- Website design brief document describing the pages we want written.

The do IT fluid Website
We are a Welsh company, and hence must offer our users a Welsh language option.
When the user goes to www.doitfluid.com, they will be presented with a language selection splash page. This will allow the user to select English or Welsh. Selecting a language will take the user to the do IT fluid Home page, from where ALL pages will be in the language they have selected.

Design Brief
The following pages, in HTML format

1_ Splash page
2_ Home page (English version)
3_ Sub Page (English version)

THIS IS IMPORTANT
Please render any text that would need to be converted into Welsh as text, and not as an image. For example, the “Contact Us” global link on the English Home page must be in text, so that we can edit it for the Welsh Home page.
The splash page needs to contain English and Welsh, so we have provided translations for this with this document.

[LongboatHarry]

BTW, just incase anyone was getting woried, the "full brief document" is nothing too scary! Its just a list of the three pages we want done, with the page elements we want listed for each page in turn. basically it outlines the links and stuff we want, as well as exact Welsh translations where appropriate.

The brief zip is 2MB in size --> this is because we have provided all the logos in every permutation and format imaginable. Its not because the brief doc is huge!

[LongboatHarry]

Lastly :rolleyes: , if anyone has any problems getting the zip file over HTTP, just let me know and we'll host it on an FTP server somewhere.

Thanks!

[DesignGeneral]

I'll enter after the holiday :)

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Thanks for being interested. Hope you have a great long holiday weekend. B)

Ours will probably be spent stuck in traffic as we migrate with the rest of the country out of London :help:

[LongboatHarry]

Additional images
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Hi all,
The "brief.zip" contains the dragon images as produced by Arthouse.
These images are of the rather splendid dragon perched next to or on top of the words "do IT fluid".
Arthouse has also supplied me with versions of the images with just the dragon. These can be obtained directly from the files in the zip just by cutting out the text, but if anybody wants the versions direct from the designer, just let me know.

Thanks.

[LongboatHarry]

Competition End Date
We have delayed posting an end date for this competition up to now, to allow for a period of verifying the brief is accessible on our Website.

As everything seems okay, we are now setting the end date as :

Friday April 24th.

Hopefully this gives you all plenty of time.

Kind regards,
Matt

[MOZ]

MOZ
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Sorry, you posted as I posted so missed yours just now. We were hoping you would enter as we really like some of the designs you have come up with in other competitions, so thanks for squeezing in past the deadline

Really like it. Can see that one working really well on a business card or as a page spanning letter head. The balance of the reds, blues and yellow is very cool. And love the abstract fluidity. Very much fits the brief of us and our clients working together fluidly.

Can see it as a banner advert actually... We will be advertising ourselves on all our client WebSites (part of the contractual obligation of the client to help keep our charging down). Will think more about this, as we are putting up our Website template competition some time today.
Thanks

Hello
Just a reminder. I must point out that I do not do templates :( not yet anyway
However, if you like we'll work it out. please let me know if you need me to work it up in any way!
Thanks MOZ

[LongboatHarry]

Hello Moz :)
Thanks for following the progress of dIf from the logo competition to the template competition. We will be signing up for the resellers area as well soon (as soon as I can "extend" PayPal past the $750 limit!), so we look forward to seeing you there as well.

We really like the banner art you've posted -> it makes a great "link" piece of art. It conjures up jumping into a pool --> the shimmering blues and yellows make you wonder what will happen when you click it. Just the kind of things that would be great to have people thinking as they click through to do IT fluid.

If its okay for you, maybe anybody that enters this template competition could demonstrate it being used as a banner advert, and we could set up a separate banner competition if it works.

Thanks again --> if I remember right you said you were under the weather, so we hope your holiday weekend sees you feeling better.

Cheers
Matt

[MOZ]

:tup: Sure thing Matt! Anybody can use it!

Thank you for asking about feeling better

Gob Bless & Happy Easter
He is Risen

MOZ

[Anne]

Hi.

Here is my entry on the splash page. I keept it clean and simple like your logos are (greate logos and icons btw.)

Please let me know if I am heading in the right direction so I can start on the home page or redo the splash. I can add some pictures if you think it is to plain, maybe some of Wales.

Looking forward to your feedback.
/Anne

[LongboatHarry]

Anne :tup:
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Thanks for entering the competition and the kind works regarding the logo and icon. The icon is by DesignGeneral, and completely knocked us for 6 when we saw it! The dragon is by Arthouse - we just couldnt resist him either. We have started using the dragon in exactly the same way you have - as the company footer. Really draws your eye to the footer, whereas in most Sites it gets lost.

Love your entry Anne. Your use of the icon as a focal point for the page is spot on. Love the continuation of the colours from the icon into the text.
All very simple and straigt forward. Very professional look and feel, and obvious "what to do". Great.

Additionally, love the fact its "bandwidth" friendly. We only use splash pages when it really says something (like, "hey look at us, we are a bilingual Site") - but even then we like to keep the bandwidth down as most people will only actually read the page once. The rest of the time they will just click where they remember the link to their language to be.

Cant think of any revisions that would be needed - EXCEPT maybe a "remember my selection" checkbox under the language links. Sorry for having missed this from the spec.

Thanks for the hard work and great work,
Matt

[Anne]

Glad you like it :)

Added the checkbox.

/Anne

[LongboatHarry]

Anne
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Thats perfect :D

[KellyB]

Hi Matt :)

Here is my entry for the splash page:

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[LongboatHarry]

Hi Kelly :)
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Spent Easter in Wales, and just as the weather turned to short sleeved and shorts, so we had to return to London! As always, its grey here!

Thanks for the fantastic entry. Nice and simple and bandwidth friendly -> as I was saying to Anne, we hate wasting bandwidth on the splash page as people only really look at it once.

- Missed this off the spec Im afraid - can we have a "remember my selection" checkbox somewhere?

Otherwise, great. :tup:
1- like the dragon under the footer as you have placed him, as this makes him stand out more and reinforces who we are.
2_ However --> can the dragon be to the left of the footer (flush with the text) on all the other pages, to save on screen space?
3_ Like the colours and font.

Beyond the checkbox, no revisions needed.

Thanks for the great work,
Matt

[KellyB]

Adding the checkbox now :)

I removed the comment about wales as I noticed on your avatar it says London :D My parents live in between the 2 Severn Bridges - nice place, Wales :D

[LongboatHarry]

They must have a fantastic view! Some fantastic sailing to be had around the Bristol channel as well. (if you have nerves of steel and something other than a narrowboat!)

Our hearts are in Wales (and hopefully soon the rest of us!), so we loved the comment B)

Hope the weather picks up in Scotland for you! The sun has just broken out here, so we are being blinded by the glare off the canal!

[KellyB]

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Are you going to choose a winner from the splash pages, or do you want us to design the home page?

As for the weather - I supposedly live in the sunniest city in Scotland (but I'm not so sure sometimes!!)

[LongboatHarry]

There will be a single winner. So, a single competition that is for all 3 pages:
- Splash page
- Home page
- Clients page

As far as entering the competition goes, we will probably be able to select the winner (or certainly a top 3) from just the splash page and home page. In that way, only the actual winner (or top 3) will need to produce the clients page.

Kelly - thanks for the revision. Looks spot on now :) - no more revision of the splash page needed. We are looking forward to seeing the home page.

Thanks again for all your hard work,
Matt

[KellyB]

Just got a quick query..

Which logo is "do IT fluid logo (Michael’s “main” version)"

Thanks!

[LongboatHarry]

Hi Kelly
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Sorry for the confusion :blink:

do IT fluid has 2 logos, which are Michaels winners. They are basically the same (to preserve the company identity), but with regional differences to reflect the work in England and Wales.
1) The "main" logo is the one with the blue background that looks like a wave.
2) The "Welsh" logo is the one with the green/red background that is the dragons tongue.
The main logo should be used on all English pages (following the splash page)
The Welsh logo should be used on all Welsh pages (following the splash page)
The competition doesnt include any Welsh pages, so the Welsh one is only there for reference.

To further compliate matters!
3) do IT fluid have an icon (DesignGeneral) to be used on the splash page before be know the language the user wants
4) do IT fluid have a mascot (the dragon) --> feel free to use this anywhere.

Hope this is a bit clearer. Let me know if its still confusing.

Kind regards,
Matt

[JeremeDavid]

Can you provide the icon in another format? I do not have illustrator and cannot import the ai file into photoshop.

[LongboatHarry]

JeremeDavid
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No problem --> is it best to give you a gif or a jpeg?

Thanks for the interest in the competition :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

This will do for now...
The colours havent come out quite right, but this can be sorted at the end.

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Jereme,

Here is the icon like PSD. I hope this helps you ;)

[LongboatHarry]

Thanks DesignGeneral :tup:

[Aaron]

Hi Matt... I finally caught up with you. I'll be posting something soon. ;)

[LongboatHarry]

Hello Arthouse B)
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Great to hear you will be entering. The Welsh clients we saw over the weekend loved your dragon logo! We have started using him as the footer on all our printed literature, alongside the "official" stuff (company registration numbers, etc).

[DesignGeneral]

This will be a though one B) :tup:

[JeremeDavid]

Thanks DG. It's a really nice icon.

[Aaron]

Glad they like the dragon... the Welsh sound like fun people!

Here's my hat into the splash page ring. Any suggestions before I tackle the secondary pages?

[LongboatHarry]

Arthouse
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Fantastic splash page :tup:

Very fun, but still professional at the same time. Well done for including the "remember me" checkbox that we'd missed from the spec. Love the splash of colour (very fluid!) across the top hinting at the Welsh flag (love the way its not all out Welsh as this page has to be reasonably neutral).

Cant think of anything that would need changing. Looking forward to seeing the home page.

Thanks for your hard work,
Cheers!

[MOZ]

LongBoatHarry
I can't help it, but I just have to say that
Your input and response is absolutley fab! I really enjoy watching one of your contest!!

I'm sincere when I thank you! You seem like someone I would be proud to call friend

Take care & God Bless
and again THANKS :tup: for being such a nice person!!!!

MOZ

[LongboatHarry]

Moz :yuk: :D

Those are some very kind and touching words Moz, thank you. :notworthy:

Its a real honour to work with all you guys. There is so much red tape associated with most of the work we do, that the liberation of working in this rapid fire manner with real professionals is breath taking. If everything in business was done in this way, we'd reach the red planet some time next week! Everyone here seems to care so intently about the work they are doing for the competitions that it almost seems unfair to have to chose a winner!

We really appreciate your time following our contests - I tend to write way to much, so you have awesome patience B) We have a large influx of clients at the moment (the father-in-law has been out selling for us again!) - we look forward to meeting you in some more reseller logo comps soon!

:tup:

[1on1]

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[LongboatHarry]

Martin
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Thanks for entering with a fantastic design :tup:
Love what you've done with the icon :) Very fluid and very techy. Reminds me (in a good way) of T2. Love the shadowing on it --> combined with the metal look makes it very "proud".

Like the colours and fonts and simplicity. Has a very "corporate" feel which is good. Again, very simple design and obvious what to do --> all good things on a splash page.

The dragon has BIG attitude in steel textures! Draws your eye to the footer area (copyright and designers link) which is great, as I want the designer to be recognised and get some traffic from the Site.

Cant think of any revisions that would be needed. One slight consideration however is Im not 100% sure the Welsh can be printed in all capitals and retain the same meaning. I will find this out for you --> its an easy change.

Thanks for the great entry and hard work,
Cheers
Matt

[1on1]

Hi Matt, thanks for the great feedback, I have changed the intro text and used a standard font instead.

Hope this is more suitable.

[KellyB]

Hi Matt

Here is a sample for the home page - although I have a worry about the colours not matching from the splash page.. so I might edit a few bits on the splash.

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[LongboatHarry]

Martin
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Thanks for getting a revision back so quickly. The new font is spot on, and we much prefer the non all-caps. :tup: Still love the T2 version of the icon ;)

Cheers!

[LongboatHarry]

Kelly
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Great Home page.
We really want a "simple and professional" design, which you have managed to pull off. :tup:
We were worried that it would be hard to come up with effective designs without us having to supply stock photos of people staring at monitors in groups. The way you have extended the dragon tongue from the logo into the main page area is inspired, and really manages to bring visual interest to the page.
I can see where you are coming from regarding matching colours back to the splash page. We thought of using the blues from the home page for the English bits of the splash page. However, we dont want the splash page becoming too cluttered visually...
Couple of things:
1) The area to the right of the logo being blank really draws my eye in. However, I dont want this being filled with a picture or design just for the sake of it, so I think you have done best to leave this blank.
- This area will be useful in later pages to host the breadcrumbs, as well as info about the logged in user
- Im toying with the idea of getting rid of the "login" global nav, and having a "username" and "password" textboxes here with a "login" button. This would use this area for something genuinely useful.
2) Is the idea that the Welsh pages (not in the brief) would be in red and green with a tail in the background? This would look very cool :tup: However, we would not be able to produce the background images internally, so if selected as the winner would you be able to carry on in the revision stage to produce the Home and Client pages in the Welsh version? Obviously, we would make additional funds available for this.

Anyways, thanks for the great design and the hard work you have obviously put in. Its given us loads to think about. We'll ponder more and get some further feedback up later.
Thanks
Matt

[KellyB]

I can see where you are coming from regarding matching colours back to the splash page. We thought of using the blues from the home page for the English bits of the splash page. However, we dont want the splash page becoming too cluttered visually...

I'll have a look back at the splash page to try and tie in the blues somehow :)


- Im toying with the idea of getting rid of the "login" global nav, and having a "username" and "password" textboxes here with a "login" button. This would use this area for something genuinely useful.

And I'll add one of those for you :)

2) Is the idea that the Welsh pages (not in the brief) would be in red and green with a tail in the background? This would look very cool  However, we would not be able to produce the background images internally, so if selected as the winner would you be able to carry on in the revision stage to produce the Home and Client pages in the Welsh version? Obviously, we would make additional funds available for this.

That is an excellent idea! :) Sure I would be happy to code the extra pages.

I'll make those changes later today and do a welsh mock up too :)

[KellyB]

Hi Matt

Here are 2 variations on the english homepage...

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I tried the dragon in the background, but the arrow looks more consistant :)

[KellyB]

and slight changes to the splash to tie in the blue...

<img src='http://www.c1vision.com/sitepoint/splash_kb3.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[LongboatHarry]

Kelly
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Wow :tup:

I wish my Saturdays were as productive as yours :notworthy:

Where to start...

Splash page
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Thanks for trying the idea out. My gut feel is to not clutter this page with too many colours or design elements. I _think_ seeing the revision with the blue confirms this, so lets rollback to the original. Im not too worried about the colour scheme of the splash page being different to the colour schema of the English pages. People around me are saying its important to fix on a corporate identity (inc colour scheme) and never venture from it. However, Im all for being a rebel! If you have any sudden brain waves about reconciling the splash/English and Wales schemes togethers let me know. Personally I think this is one to think about in a couple of years time when (hopefully) we have grown to the point that it matters to iron these things out.

English pages
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Love the version with login and global nav. Heres a question for you. With my coder hat on, I think the username textbox should have "username" written next to it. Same for the password box. However, am I just stuck in the past? Surely we all know to type a username and password in these boxes in this post-Amazon era? Also, your "remember me" text confirms the username and password label, so again, I think Im being too pedantic.

Welsh pages
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Again, prefer the version with login and global navs in top.
Now... I _had_ been thinking of using the dragon tail in the background (the tail in the Welsh version), but now I think you are right to have used the tongue from the English version. It nicely ties the English and Welsh together. Additionally, the tongue works well in a horizontally orientated main page like you have designed. Thinking about it again, the tail wouldn't really fit the space so well, (there would be a border on the left and right of it, which would look odd).
Agree as well that the tongue looks better than the whole dragon. Its a fine balance I think between adopting a Welsh look and dressing up in full Welsh custume and wearing a leek on your lapel ;)

Great work Kelly. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Kelly
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Now, heres the bit Im going to really struggle to describe :blink:

- How will the "main" page area cope with text running off the bottom? Say for example a page has LOADS of text on it, making it run for miles vertically. Would the background image repeat? I think my concern is that the background image spans the left nav as well as the main page area.

Heres an idea. Let me know if its workable..... (and if it makes sense!)
1) Turn the left nav into a self-contained box. Make it the same colour (light blue) and use the tip of the tongue (left 50% of image) as the background
2) Make the main page a self contained area. Not sure about the details, but e.g. just a white area
3) Make the news a self-contained box. Use the same colour (dark blue) and use the righter most 50% of the tongue as the background.

In this way, the nav, main page and news are all separate. Will this make longer pages easier to cope with? It _might_ additionally help keep bandwidth down on long pages as the background image is only on the nav and news which are fixed size.

Let me know your thoughts. Im no graphic designer, so I really wont take any offense if you say "rubbish idea" :)

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Here we go ;)

I tried to implement both welsh and main logo colors.

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Great entry :tup:
Very well balanced page --> nice flow around the icon.
Great solution to the problem of getting the English colours in by picking up some colouring from the "O" of the icon.
Nice and bandwidth friendly and nice and easy to use. Spot on. :tup:
Great font for "Welcome" (English and Welsh) --> works well with the icon.

One thing --> I think "privacy policy" (both English and Welsh) needs to be higher contrast. They might be missed on a poor monitor or by someone short of sight.

Thanks
Matt

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the feedback.

Working at another idea.

I'll be back :D

[LongboatHarry]

Hi DesignGeneral --> I just edited a bit of the feedback, so you might have missed the revision request I just put up. Its nothing major, just making the "privacy policy" more visible.

[DesignGeneral]

I'll do that.

Here is the new idea ;)

I'll be back with revision :tup:

About the fonts. I tried to use some fonts that works well with both fonts: the font from the logo and the one from the mascot.

[KellyB]

Heres an idea. Let me know if its workable..... (and if it makes sense!)
1) Turn the left nav into a self-contained box. Make it the same colour (light blue) and use the tip of the tongue (left 50% of image) as the background
2) Make the main page a self contained area. Not sure about the details, but e.g. just a white area
3) Make the news a self-contained box. Use the same colour (dark blue) and use the righter most 50% of the tongue as the background.


Its worth a shot :) I completely understand about the background thing - what I would probably do is make the background image much bigger than it needs to be and have plain colour underneath where the dragon is so that it doesnt repeat (theres ways and means around everything :D

I'll be back shortly with that design idea :)

[DesignGeneral]

Is this better?

I mean the privacy policy links. Let me know if you want higher contrast.

Thanks

[DesignGeneral]

and the 1st concept ;)

[Anne]

Here is my entry for the home page.

[Anne]

or

[KellyB]

Heres your idea - I'll probably make the navigation block a bit wider :)

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[DesignGeneral]

Maybe they need a dragon to remember the selection :tup:

I used the main logo to avoid confusion regarding your logo. On the homepage and rest of site I think is ok to use both logos since the main logo will be bigger and in top of page.

Some focus to your main logo on the spalsh page is good too.

Anyway, you decide ;)

[DesignGeneral]

;)

[DesignGeneral]

:D

[KellyB]

another variation of the box theme...I prefer this one to the last box theme I did :)

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[1on1]

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[1on1]

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[dziner]

Hi! Here is my entry.. I wanted to say that there are some great designs on this one!
I will be happy to make any changes or additions.

Shelly

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/doit/1.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[LongboatHarry]

Everyone
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Wow. :notworthy:

Utterly blown away by the entries that have come in over the day. Will get feedback posted tomorrw after spending some serious time reviewing them. Just wanted to say a big thankyou to you all for posting. Incredible. :)

[LongboatHarry]

All
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Still overwhelmed by the entries :tup: Sorry its taken a while to get back. Been looking at them for a day to really let the ideas sink in.

[LongboatHarry]

Kelly :tup:
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Thanks for giving my idea a shot. What you said about just making

the image bigger and continuing the plain colour beneath the dragon

is a really neat way around it.

What we really like about your designs is the "brochure-like" quality

they have. They all look like they could be used in a company

brochure without much modification (beyond refactoring the

navigation into a "contents")

English version Apr 17 2004, 05:13 AM
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Love the brochure-like design. Splitting the nav and news into 2

separate boxes looks great. Inspired move by yourself to only use

the very left most bit of the tongue in the nav and the very right most

bit in the news. This makes it seem as though the main page has the

"middle" bit as a background, when infact, its just blank. Nice optical

effect.
Like the boxes going to the bottom of the page, forming a "fixed size"

page design. Again, very "brochure". It will easily scale to long pages

just by extending the blues downwards as well.
The footer looks great. Nicely holds the page together.
Not 100% sure about the header area, as it seems a bit "separate"

to the rest of the design. Love the global nav and the log in area, just

needs "something" to tie it to the rest of the page. Not sure what at

the moment, but will keep on thinking about this.

Welsh version Apr 17 2004, 05:13 AM
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Same comments from English apply. Overall, fantastic.

English version Apr 17 2004, 05:36 AM
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Great piece of lateral design thinking! Love the way you have

managed to keep the brochure fixed page design by adding the side

borders. This has nicely freed up the nav and news boxes from

having to be a fixed height. And again, vertically scalable.
Much prefer the version with the background image.
This design has the added benefit that it will work without the nav

and news boxes --> the side borders will still keep the page

dimensioned. This will be very useful for wide pages.
Still got the same slight niggle with the header looking

separate...However,putting the global nav in the header border really

helps.

Welsh version Apr 17 2004, 05:36 AM
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Fantastic. Really compliments the English version. Same comments

apply from English version.

Thanks Kelly. That is amazing and imaginative work that really brings

my spec to life. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Anne :tup:
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Thanks for coming up with the home page design. Really strong

entry --> very simple and professional. Very customisable from our

perspective. Very clean layout that is very easy on the eye and

easy to navigate. Both entries work very well with your fantastic

splash page entry.

Apr 17 2004, 05:10 AM
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Very simple and inspired placing of the logo. Using the "do IT fluid"

wording to form the header across the page helps "seat" the logo

nicely and gets the flow spot on. Similarly, the footer is very strong

and holds the page up nicely.
Love the global nav buttons, very iPod. Like the way you have used

images and wording together to make sure its very clear.
Left nav box works really well. Defines the page nicely and is easy

to use. Similary, the news box is very simple but effective, and

nicely frames the right side.
Nice idea giving a shadow to the left nav mimicing the shadow in the

logo.

Apr 17 2004, 05:11 AM
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Same comments apply. However, MUCH prefer this version.

Amazing how some really subtle mods make a huge difference.
1) Love the use of the 2 shades of blue in the header. Nicely reflects

the logo background.

Both
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I need to think more about how to best use the header area. Could

you try including a "username" textbox and "password" textbox +

login button. This would be very useful to clients, and be relevant.
Not sure if I prefer the global navs at the top (first entry) or on the

header line (second entry). Need to see login revision first to make

decision.

Thanks again. Again, very imaginative and powerful intepretation of

the spec. Thanks for the obvious hard work. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral :tup:
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Wow! Thanks for really pushing the boat out and giving so many

ideas to play with.
MUCH prefer the 1st concept. Works really well with the revised

"high contrast" privacy links. Thanks for showing the revisions with

the welcome notices stacked on the left though, as its by seeing

those that the first was reinforced. I think the reason is that the page

looks more "balanced" with the English being on the left and the

Welsh on the right, as opposed to the second concept where its not

so defined. Makes it much more obvious how to use the page.

Apr 17 2004, 05:26 AM
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Your imagination is awesome! Really like the dragon offering to

remember the selection for you. Very human touch that I really

appreciate. Love the way that has freed you to put the "main" logo in

the place of where the dragon was originally. Interesting idea where

that leads --> with the main logo being on all pages and the

"regional" logo then being in larger somewhere else. Inspired brand

reinforcement. Great stuff.

Apr 17 2004, 05:34 AM
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Again, love the dragon remembering the choice and the brand

reinforcement idea. MUCH prefer the 05:26AM version though with

the flow of the 1st concept.

Thanks DesignGeneral. Simple, professional, easy to use. Thanks

for the hard work and the inspired directions you have found with the

dragon. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Martin :tup:
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Thanks for carrying on and getting the Home page template in.

Really appreciate your hard work and time.

Wow. B) Visually stunning yet professional, simple, and easy to use.
Very brave entries that really appeal to the "3d modelling" side the

company with your choice of banner imagery.

Great page layout - love what you have done to the global nav in

making it span downwards flush with the banner. Like the placement

of the news being under the left nav freeing up the main page to be

wider.
Love the dragon sitting on the footer with attitude. Nice images of

strength and the like. Like the simplicity of the left nav and the news.

This will really help with any customisation from our side.

Welsh version
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Amazing visual impact. Just got to love the icon placement. Inspired.

Very "Hitchcock" with the director being in shot in the background.

Love the fluid running man. Again, really works with the 3d modelling

angle, and works a methaphor for the contracting side as well.

English version
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Again, amazing visual impact. Love the way there is no icon in the

background, as this reinforces do IT fluid (represented by the icon)

being a Welsh company (by being in the Welsh banner only).

Inspired graphic design. Again, the banner image works well with the

modelling angle, and will work with the contracting.

Thanks for putting up some very brave and powerful designs. Very

appreciated. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Dziner :tup:
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Thanks for entering the competition. Fantastic piece of original

design again.
Simple, easy to use, visually very appealing. Love the way you have

made the footer chunky, and the use of a chunky header to form an

eye catching "wide screen" page area. Love the wave in the header.

Nice human touch that brings visual interest as well.
Great layout with the icon and bilingual welcome Site info. Really

focuses the eye on the "Welcome" text, which is a great piece of

optical design that really make the page seem more human. :)

Love the dotted line breaking the English from the

Welsh text.
Nice idea moving the privacy policy into the footer. This really

unclutters the main page and makes getting into the site very easy.

Thanks again. Great work and some great original ideas. :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

All
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Will get additional feedback and revision ideas in tomorrow.
Thanks again.

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Amazing feedback :clap: :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

You are right about the 2d idea.

Just a minor change can improve things :D

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[1on1]

Thanks for the feedback Matt :tup: must of taken you ages to write all that up :)
If you need to see my templates at full size then let me know, I had to shrink them down a bit to post them on here.

Thanks again.

[DesignGeneral]

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[1on1]

Matt, here are my full size versions :- Click the buttons on the splash page to view each version.

[LongboatHarry]

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Fantastic --> thanks for going the extra mile with that. They look even better full size, and within a browser.
Really like the page being a determined sized in the centre of the browser window, which doesnt resize horizonally on huge monitors. Nothing worse than having to read across the entire screen.
Obviously the page will need to be able to cope with long pages vertically, but I see no reason why yours would not.

Thanks again for the hard work,
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Thanks again for showing us more variations. Its amazing the way you are able to change the design very slightly and make a big difference witn the feel of the page.
The second concept is now much easier to follow. The lines break up the blocks of Engish and Welsh nicely. However, still MUCH prefer the 1st concept ;)

Thanks for the hard work,
Cheers!

[1on1]

Thanks Matt, the splash page can be made to be fixed width aswell if you like, and yes the design will expand vertically to accommodate extra content.

[LongboatHarry]

1on1
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Brilliant -- the main pages are perfectly laid out. It would be great to bring the splash page in line.
Thanks for confirming the pages will expand vertically

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks for the feedback Matt :tup:

Working at something I'll be back shortly :)

[KellyB]

Here is how mine would look in a browser :)

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Of course the height is scalable depending on how much text you have - but we could make it the full height of the browser.

[LongboatHarry]

Thanks Kelly,

It really helps viewing them in a browser --> hadnt realised it would make such a difference. :tup:

Really shows off the visual impact difference between clicking Welsh and Englsh. Love the way the borders are in blue for 1 and green for the other --< very good impact when you click splash--> Englsh, and then splash-->Welsh.

Looks great. Can really see how vertical scrolling would work. Still a slight problem with the headers looking separate --> Annes entry is a fantastic example of using getting the logo and header to sit right. Anne has used the logo with do IT fluid running across the logo in a single line. This manages to balance the header.

Thanks again for the hard work,
Matt

[1on1]

Matt, I have fixed the splash screen for you to view :-

[KellyB]

Just trying to think on how to change the header for you :)

Hopefully I'll come up with something in a bit :)

[LongboatHarry]

Martin
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Splash page is fantastic :tup:

Kelly
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Thanks for working on the header prob. I'll mull this over today as well and try to get something useful to you.

Thanks!

[Anne]

Thank you for the feedback :)

I've added login/password textboxes in the header. I wasn't sure where to put it and I've tried drifferent places. If you have some better ideas where to put it I am more than happy to make a revision.

Anyway, here it is: doitfluid homepage (http://www.newfacedesign.net/designoutpost/doitfluit_home_v3.html)

doitfluid splash (http://file://localhost/D:/DesignOutpost/doitfluit/doitfluit_splash_v1.html)

[LongboatHarry]

Anne
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Thanks for the revision. Looks fantastic :tup:

Regarding the login position....
My thoughts were to have them directly under the global bav. This would involve pushing the nav to the top and _maybe_ not having textbox labels.
If a user is already logged in, the login would be replaced with

- "you are logged in as Mr John Smith"
- "Click here if you are not Mr John Smith"

Could you also change the color of the font used for the global navs and "to top" links to a darker (higher contrast) colour?

Lastly, how easy would it be to make the global nav buttons "stronger"? Again, making them darker and easier to see if you are partially sighted?

Thanks for the hard work. Its looking great :tup:

[Anne]

How about this

Homepage (http://www.newfacedesign.net/designoutpost/doitfluit_home_v3.html)

[LongboatHarry]

Anne
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Id say that was about spot on :tup:
(just the "to top" link to darken as well, but dont worry about that for the moment).

Thanks --> great work :tup:

[Michael]

I really think the text in my logos need working on <_<

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I put my heart inside :wub:


Here is what I have so far. Let me know if you want revisions I'll be happy to do them :tup:


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[DesignGeneral]

different icons for the left navigation ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

Small tweaking regarding left navigation.

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Wow -- fantastic work :tup:

Both pages
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Really like your fun use of the dragon. Seeing your splash and home pages together, your "brand reinforcement" idea is inspired. Really ties the 2 pages together.

Splash page
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Thats definitely our favourite revision. Looks great in a browser --> very fun and professional entry. Still love the dragon placement.

Home page
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Its really obvious you've put your heart into this :tup:
Really like your lateral thinking with regards to the global navigation. Great piece of design moving the language change link out of the main global nav group and into the bottom right. Great for brand reinforcement, and really like the way it gets both of Michaels logos seen. Same goes for the login -- > great idea to move this out of the main group and into a "client area" box.
Love the fluid glistening banner. Looks like a canal B) And the global navs looked "moored to the canal" ;)
Left nav is very striking. Love the fun use of the dragon again.
Great page layout --> very fluid and easy on the eye. Its hard getting the header area balanced --> yours is spot on.

Revisions
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A few immediate ideas. Will get some more up later.

1) Can I see the main page in a browser as well?
2) Can you make the fluid banner a bit stronger. Its a great concept --> just needs reinforcing.
3) Can you make the dotted line under the header a bit stronger?
4) I was about to ask for a different symbol on the left nav.... I see its just been done. New symbols are inspired :tup: Great tie-in to the main icon.
5) Anyway of making the 3 global nav labels a bit "tidier"? Not sure quite how... maybe just making the banner stronger will solve this anyway.

Fantastic work DesignGeneral. You've obviously spent a lot of time on this and have really taken the original spec one step further. :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Fantastic feedback :tup:

You are amazing B)

Here are in browser:

alpha (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/)

beta (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/index2.htm)


I'll work at revisions and I'll be back. Let me know if u like better alpha or beta.

Thanks

[1on1]

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[KellyB]

Hi Matt

Just to let you know im still thinking about how I can edit the header.... Just having a bit of a design block here lol :)

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I'm back :D

Starting from beta (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/index2.htm) I got those ;)

gama (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/index3.htm)

Wait for the images to load and scroll the page. I putt all variations on same page so you can compare them better ;)

Let me know your favorite and any revisions you want to see at it.

Thanks

[LongboatHarry]

Martin
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Fantastic :tup:
Hats off to you for revision 2 of the English Home page. The slight design changes have made a dramatic difference.
The left nav alterations have really tied the page together. Love the detail in the grey background (the bubbly effect).
Love what you have done with the global nav. I thought it was positioned well before --> but this is better :) Makes them more prominent, and love the idea of the logo now being a "remote control".
Great placement of the username in the border. Again, really prominent. I imagine that will help make any client signed in feel more important!
Dont like the new dragon footer though --> looks vaguely like hes sinking ;) Much prefered the original dragon from the first footer.
One question --< the skewed "V" under the logo is not made of straight lines... is this representing something ?

Fantastic work Martin. Again, thanks for the hard work :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Kelly
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Thanks for investing so much brain energy in the header. :tup:

I've been wracking the grey cells as well. I think the nub of the problem may be that you are using the dif logo with the text stacked up vertically. When Michael won the logo comp, he generously supplied the wording in loads of different positions so I wasnt tied to anyone dimension. Having seen the logo being used, I think maybe the vertical layout would be better for business cards and letter heads. The horizontal alignment may make it easier to place the logo in a header. This is just a vague idea --> it may be way off the mark.

Thanks again,
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Thanks for the bundle of new revisions so quicky :tup:

My favorite is the top one. Nice and bold, and really holds the new and bolder global navs in place. Love the sparkly fluid image. Very energetic, fluid, magical feeling. One idea.... it looks _almost_ the same as the tongue in the background of the logo. Is it worth making it _actually_ the same shape? Still keep the wonderful texture though. Let me know if you've tried this already and found it didnt work though.

The banner looks even more like a canal now ;) And the global navs look even more like moored up boats :P Great stuff.

Thanks for the hard work and great designs,
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

1on1
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Much prefer the darker grey border around the page in revision 2 as well. Really striking as the page loads.

[1on1]

Hi Matt, The reason for the skewed v is that I wanted to make the white space where the logo is a bit more interesting instead of a square white box the lines are now straight though :) I also added the back to top arrow in the space at the bottom along with the original Dragon placement.

I think the only thing I have missed off is a link to the welsh site.

If you click the link on my last post and refresh you should see the changes.

If you don't want the v shaped under the logo let me know.

[LongboatHarry]

Martin
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Thanks for the heads up with the "V" ;) Love it --> much prefer the "straight-line" version.
Looks fantastic with the revision 1 dragon back on guard. Kind of missed him --> glad hes back B)
Back to top link placed perfectly. As you mention, just the link to the Welsh version missing.... We want to really advertise the Site being bilingual, so this link needs to be prominent.

Great --> looks fantastic :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I Know the shapes from logo and icon looks almost the same.

I added a sugestive arrow. This way we have both logo and icon concept in the banner :tup: and for sure everyone will remember your logo. The arrow say "Here we are!"

With this arrow we completed the concept. We have the dragon pointing to top with his arrow, we have the welsh logo pointing to welsh site, we have the arrow from header pointing to main logo.

Lot of symbols here, I love this :tup:

Let me know if you like it better this way or without the arrow.

home (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/)

Thanks

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Working on the welsh version for the homepage.

I'll be back :)

[LongboatHarry]

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:clap:

Love the version of the banner with the arrow tip. Points to the logo as you say, and forms a dragons tongue as well.

Great stuff :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Great Matt :tup:

Welsh (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/welsh.htm) Time :D

Let me know if you like better the left navigation in 1st sample or in the 2nd.

Thanks

[1on1]

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Thanks for the Welsh version of the Homepage. Looks fanstastic :tup:
Very complimentary to the English version, but different enough to get the "wow factor". :)

One slight issue (maybe) regarding the left nav....

The English left nav looks awesome. The gradient from the light blue to the dark blue is very striking and eye pleasing. This is probably because its fading between two shades of the same colour.
The Welsh left nav looks a bit "muddy". Both versions looks great until around the "partners" link, then I think the backgrond gets a bit too dark to get good contrast on the link. The fade from the red to green (or green to red) doesnt look quite right... Not sure why, just looks a bit "muddy".
Maybe the problem is in the Welsh version we are fading between two different colours (not different shades of the same colour).
Maybe the solution is to use only red or only green as the background colour, and fade from light to dark, like in the English version.

Apart from the left nav, looks fantastic :tup: Again, thanks for the hard work and imagination,

Cheer!
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

1on1
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Thanks for the latest revisions :tup:
Like the nice and simple effects on mouse over. Good to hear its all configurable in the CSS and extendable easily.
Love the new cloud effects :tup:
Thanks for including the Welsh link. It will be okay on the main nav for now, though Im going to think about where it could be placed for more effect throughout the day.
The page is looking fantastic :tup:
Thanks for the hard work,
Matt

[DesignGeneral]

HI Matt,

You are right about left nav.

How is this?

welsh (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/welsh.htm)

[LongboatHarry]

Hi DesignGeneral --> wow, that was probably the fastest revision turnaround in history ;)

Love the new versions. Much cleaner and much easier on the eye. Can you just make the gradient less dark? I like the shades of green (or red) we get to at the tip of the dragon. Can you make this the darkest it gets? This will also lighten the area that has links written on it, and help the contrast.
Not had coffee yet, so excuse the muffled explanations.

Looking great :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

HI Matt,

Is this better?

welsh (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/welsh.htm)

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Spot on :tup:

Now you are going to ask me which one is my favourite ;)

... liked the original idea you had in the left nav with both the red and the green being there. But it was too muddy... The left nav looks great now in a single colour, but only one colour is represented... How about using the green version and the red version interchangably on different pages ? So (for example) use the red on the home page, and the greed on (for example) the clients page? What d'ya think ?

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Sure,

No pb. That's a nice idea. You will get user attention changing from green to red and keep the overall look the same.

Well done :yes: :notworthy: :clap: :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Here is with another red nuance. ;)

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Again, slight change, BIG difference. Great warm orangey-red. Love it :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Great Matt :tup:

Playing with colors here :rolleyes:

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[1on1]

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[LongboatHarry]

1on1 and DesignGeneral
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Thanks for the revisions :tup: You have both constantly amazed us with your committment, imagination and talent.

1on1
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Great :tup: Final revisions look fantastic. Love the new Welsh layout bringing the 2 versions inline. Very striking and professioal designs that are easy to use :tup:

DesignGeneral
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Love the new colour :tup: Very earthy and solid looking. Great designs, fun, professional and easy to use --> no more revisions required :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

All
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Just a reminder that the winner will be asked to produce the "clients" page for either (or both) of the English and Welsh versions.

We will make additional funds available for this - we were thinking around $125 for each version.

To summarise
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Splash
English home
Welsh home
English clients page (described in original spec)
Welsh clients page (described in original spec)

Thanks all
Matt

[DesignGeneral]

Sounds cool Matt :tup:

[KellyB]

Do you need us to mock these up or definately just the winner? :)

[LongboatHarry]

Hi Kelly,

Definitely just the winner --> the client page will probably look and feel similar to the home pages, so I dont think its fair to ask for these during the competition stage.

Thanks,
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

Hey all :)
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Just a reminder that this competition closes tomorrow. If anyone is really desperate for more time, let me know and we can extend a bit though.

Otherwise, we will announce the winner tomorrow. Probably be sometime in the evening (GMT) as the entries are all so good I think its going to take the whole day to make a decision. As happened with the logo competition, we honestly would be honoured to use any of the designs. They are all so unique and reflect do IT fluid in different (but valid) ways.

Had hoped to post a short list today, but theres no point - you are all on it :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

The BIG day arrived :tup: :flex: :box:

[LongboatHarry]

:blink:

Got the whole world looking at the competition to help me chose the winner.

Will post the result up in a few hours

[DesignGeneral]

That's nice :tup:

"The WHOLE WORLD looking at our work" B)

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Have you got a spare moment to do a quick revision of the Home page ?

Regarding the "arrow" banner with the global links hanging off it... could we try the following...
1) Get rid of the banner
2) Move the login to the left
3) In the top right hand corner, display the global nav as follows:
- stack up three of the dragon tongues from the English logo in a single column
- Put a each of the global nav items in a tongue
4) The "stack of tongues" would then be the global nav for all pages.

The login box would only be there until the user logged in, It would then be replaced with a "welcome Mr Blogs" type message.

Let me know if this needs anymore explanation.

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

I'll do it now :)

[DesignGeneral]

1q Matt.

You said to move the login to left this mean to move it to the right of the logo or in the place where is the logo and put the logo at the middle of page.

or u want to move the login below the logo on the left column ;)

Let me know.

Thanks

[LongboatHarry]

Wow --> sorry, "left" can mean many different things ;)

I was thinking directly left of the "stack of tongues" global nav. If that looks silly, put it anywhere you think looks best. :)

[DesignGeneral]

Ok.

Thanks.

I'll play with it :)

[KellyB]

Heres a couple of the english homepage ideas...

with the different logo (sorry I didnt see your feedback a while back!)

Also added the icon in one of them to fill the white space :)

Hope you like :)


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[1on1]

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Thanks.

I'll play with it :) [/b][/quote]
But what about the template :lol:

[LongboatHarry]

Hi Kelly
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Thanks for the revisions. Much prefer the new logo font placement. Definitely balances the header out.
Love the icon watermark idea :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

here we go ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

:D

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[DesignGeneral]

B)

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[DesignGeneral]

:rolleyes:

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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09:05 revision is spot on :tup: Theres no way anyone could not know how to log on ;)

One last change..
Looks fantastic on the CRT monitor here, but cant see the "tongues" or the background colour of the right hand area on the TFT. Can you increase the contrast here slightly ?

Great stuff :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

I have another version.

I made it before I saw your feedback.

I'll come back :)

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[DesignGeneral]

here we go ;)

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Perfect :tup: No more revisions required.

Thanks for the hard work :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Let me know if u want higher contrast.

u answered already :rolleyes:

if u want to see the welsh version revised just say the word :D

Thanks

[LongboatHarry]

ALL
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BTW, its now definite that the winner will be asked to produce all _five_ pages:
Splash
English Home
English Clients Home

Welsh Home
Welsh Clients Home

The original $450 is for the first three pages. We have just submitted a further $250 for the bottom two pages.

Michael will post confirmation of payment in this forum when he gets the notification from PayPal.

Thanks

[LongboatHarry]

Just before we post the winner, we want to say a big thankyou to everyone that entered :notworthy:

We've had everyone we know looking at the competition today, and its shown one thing... all entries are fantastic, with each one being somebodies favorite. Its been a real struggle chosing the winner.

A big thankyou for all the obvious hard work that everyone has put in. :tup:

Kind regards,
Matt

[KellyB]

*biting nails*

This is nerve wracking!

[LongboatHarry]

WINNER

DesignGeneral :tup:

Everyone here had a personal favorite. We are chosing brides maids dresses today, so we let the brides maids pick the winner ;) Thanks DesignGeneral --> your entry is fantastic. It will be an honour using it as our WebSite. Additionally, you have been great to work with - thanks for always understanding where we come from with the feedback and getting revisions to us so quicky.

Everyone else --> thanks again for all the hard work. We feel terrible even having to chose a winner :( They all really are fantastic. :tup: We hope to be able to bring lots of work this way through the reseller area, and hopefully we will have the honour of working with you all there in the future.

Thanks everyone :tup:

[KellyB]

congratulations :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Splash page --> Apr 17 2004, 05:29 AM
English home --> Apr 23 2004, 09:49 AM
Welsh home --> Please make Welsh version of Apr 23 2004, 09:49 AM
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Are you okay to make the English and Welsh clients pages (as described in the breif?)

Revisions
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Splash
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- Make Welcome and Croeso larger
- Move the icon downwards a bit so text on each side lines up with the "o" of the icon
- Make English and Cymraeg larger

Welsh Home
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Bring into alignment with the new English home (Apr 23 2004, 09:49 AM)
2 versions --< 1 with green left nav, 1 with red left nav

Clients pages
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Please pretend that "Zoar" have logged in, so dont show login
- Instead, show "Logged in as Mr John Smith" in the top
- Also show Zoar's Ark logo in top banner

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

WOW :notworthy: :clap: :tup:


GREAT NEWS Matt :D


Thanks for chosing my work to represent your website.

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Kelly :)

[DesignGeneral]

Matt,

I'll be back with revisions :)

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Regarding the 2 new clients pages. Just to confirm, you will get an additional $250 for this work. Hope thats okay ;)
Use the Zoar's Ark logo (the one without any subtext), as we will pretend that Zoar have logged on.
To allow the pages to work with any client, please design the banner with client logo and client name so that any logo with "normal" dimensions will fit in okay.

Thanks again :tup: Let me know if you need anything else for the clients pages.

[1on1]

Congrats DesignGeneral :tup:

Another Template heading for webhostingtalk :D

[Palmer]

Additional payment received. So the total to Design General is $700. Is that correct?

[LongboatHarry]

Hi Palmer. Thanks for posting confirmation.

Yep --> $700 to DesignGeneral. Thats made up of :
1_ $450 (original amount) for the Splash, English Home and Welsh Home.
2_ $250 for the 2 clients pages to be done now.

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Martin :D

[DesignGeneral]

The show must go on :D

Splash revision

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral :D
Lower the dragon section a bit towards the footer dotted line (to help break up the Welcome from the language selection), and that will be perfect.

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

like this?

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[LongboatHarry]

Perfect :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Here is the html ;)

Splash (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/)


Let me know if everything is ok.

Thanks :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Its more than okay ;)
Its perfect :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Great,

Welsh coming in few min :)

[DesignGeneral]

here we go ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

or lighter green on top right corner ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

green :D

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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Prefer the lighter green in the top right -> fantastic :tup:
Those are spot on --> love the green nav and love the red nav --> love the way we are now alternating the colours of the tongues as well.

Great stuff DesignGeneral. Thanks for the hard work :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Great,

Do you want me to build clients page now or to build the html for the english and welsh home pages?

[LongboatHarry]

Dont mind - we wont publish the Site until both tasks are done, so do them in the order you are most comfortable with.
Thanks,
Matt

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Matt :tup:

Working at the client pages.

I'll be back shortly :)

[Palmer]

<!--QuoteBegin-LongboatHarry+Apr 23 2004, 12:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LongboatHarry @ Apr 23 2004, 12:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hi Palmer. Thanks for posting confirmation.

Yep --> $700 to DesignGeneral. Thats made up of :
1_ $450 (original amount) for the Splash, English Home and Welsh Home.
2_ $250 for the 2 clients pages to be done now. [/b][/quote]
Thanks for clarifying.

Congrats DG!... moving this to the revisions forum.

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Palmer :wub:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I'm back ;)

Here is the english client page. Let me know if I missed something. ;)

I'm thinking too far... :rolleyes:
I have a question though. Your testimonials will be visible for guest visitors? :unsure:


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[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral :)
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Thats a fantastic first attempt at the clients page :tup:

Couple of mods
1) Can you change "logged in as" to "Welcome Mr John Smith" ?
2) Under "Welcome Mr John Smith", have a link "Click here if you are not Mr John Smith"
3) Need a "log out" button somewhere. Probably make this the top tongue in the global nav, and make the tongue slightly darker to bring attention to it. Feel free to use your imagination though.
4) Move breadcrumbs into banner area and increase contrast
5) Move contextual links into top of the "main page" area, and make them look more "link like"
6) Change "in conjuction with" to "in partnership with DesignGeneral" (or how you want your company represented). Make this a link to your Site if you like.

Dont worry about the logged in client seeing the testimonials. It will work a bit like Amazon. Once you are logged in, the Site personalises a bit to you, and allows you to enter your account area.

Fantastic work DesignGeneral :tup: Thanks for the hard work and the ultra-fast revisions.
Thanks,
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

Love your positioning of the Zoar logo by the way :tup: That will really make the logged in client feel special. It really heads up the page nicely :tup:

Regarding guests using the testimonials page... Basically, they would see the clients page, but the "Zoar" banner would be replaced with your login banner.

Thanks :tup: Its looking fantastic :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Matt,

I'll be back shortly :)

[DesignGeneral]

here we go.

The 6) change is a text change and I'll do that once I build the html.

also the links from top can have underline if u want. That will be html stuff too. ;)

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[LongboatHarry]

Brilliant :tup:

One revision - Put the contextual links just under the dashed line at the bottom of the banner (as opposed to the top of the page).

Looking good :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

One question...
The contextual link area must be able to cope with more links.
For example, the left nav will scale downwards fine.
However, where the contextual links are going to be (under the dashed line of the banner) is quite narrow. One way around this would be to carry the links over onto a second row... Would this look okay? Could you demonstrate this by sticking a few more contextual links up (just use random words).

Dont like the position of the log out button where it is.... Can we try it next to the "Welcome Mr John Smith" line. Maybe make this more of a "button" as well.

Thanks for the hard work :tup:
Matt

[LongboatHarry]

This is really hard to explain, so shout if Im not making any sense :blink: B)

1 If you arent logged on:
- log in box in the banner

2 If you are logged on and viewing a non-secure page
- Welcome Mr John Smith
- Click here if you are not Mr John Smith

3 If you are logged on and viewing a secure page
- You are logged in as Mr John Smith
- Log out button

We have covered (1) with the Home page
If you remove the log out button from the English Clients page, we have covered (2)
Could you cover (3) by designing the Welsh Clients page with
- "You are logged in as Mr John Smith"
- Log out button somewhere

Sorry for being so confusing. Let me know if this needs clearing up at all.
Thanks :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

To summarise
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1. Splash page
Pefect :tup:

2. English Home page
Perfect :tup: This is an example of a page where the user is not logged in (log in box in banner)

3. Welsh Home page
Perfect :tup: This is another example of a page where the user is not logged in (log in box in banner)

4. English clients page
Lets pretend that the user has logged in, and that this is not a secure page
Hence, display "Welcome...." and "click here if you are not...."
Get rid of log out button
Move contextual links under dashed line of banner area

5. Welsh clients page
Lets pretend that the user has logged in, and that this is a secure page.
Hence, display "You are logged in as ..." and show a log out button
Again, move contextual links

Finally, add a few more contextual links (random text) to demonstrate how it copes with more links.

Thanks :tup: Sorry for mucking you around with this last minute change of direction :blink: Let me know if you need any more info.

[DesignGeneral]

Great feedback Matt.

I'll work at it and be back shortly :)

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Good morning.

I kept my 1000th post to make you a surprise (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/eng_main.htm) :tup:

I played a little with the css styles for the login button and the username, password fields. Let me know if you like it better like this or like was in the jpg file.

I made also a rollover for the log in button ;)

Cheers :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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Love it :tup:
Very fluid textbox backgrounds --> very eye catching. Love the effect on the button. Makes it really obvious it can be "clicked".
Love the left nav links. The gradient background is cool --> and I like the way you've used a simple rollover effect on the links so to keep it simple and inkeeping with the rest of the page.

I'd say that was a fantastic use of your 1000th post ;) :D

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks Matt,

I'm glad u like it. I tried to make a fast loading page :tup:

It loads fast at me :D

I'll be back with the other pages B)

[LongboatHarry]

Sorry --> it loaded so fast when I looked I didnt notice it load :D We are on narrowband at the moment as well, so its okay for me, its okay for all. :tup:

You work phenomenally hard DesignGeneral :notworthy: I am really amazed that you've almost gotten this competition through the revision stage in 2 days. Especically considering there were 2 new pages to write.

One revision
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Could the global nav links be underlined when you hover over them?
Is it possible for "To Top" and "Cymraeg" to be underlined on hover as well?
If theres a technical reason why this isnt possible, thats just fine.

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I forgot to tell u that isn't finished.

Take a look now. Same link :)

Great minds thinking alike :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Perfect :tup: Love the way the links glow :D Especially effective on the "to top" link.

Great stuff :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I went ahead and I made the revisions for the client page directly in html.

Here we go :tup: (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/eng_client.htm)

[LongboatHarry]

Perfect --> The contextual links look fine when they double up onto multiple rows.

Fantastic :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

u got the link :) :tup:

btw, are u ok with the log out link being placed there?

I updated the page so now it show only the right links :)

[DesignGeneral]

working at the welsh pages. I'll be back :)

[LongboatHarry]

Took me a few sweeps across the text, but found it ;)

Log out is great --> making it red makes it stand out nicely.

Fantastic :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt

Are u ready for new surprises? (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/wel_main.htm) :rolleyes:

[DesignGeneral]

and a client (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/wel_client.htm) page with green left nav ;)

[LongboatHarry]

wooo hooooo :tup: Those are looking amazing DesignGeneral. :tup: You've started my day off to an amazing start with those.
Pefect. Absolutely perfect :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Just taken another look :)

Brilliant :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks :notworthy:

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral
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I think we can call this a wrap now :tup:

Splash page -- > perfect
English home page --> perfect
English clients page --> perfect (use version that says "Welcome Mr..." and has "If you are not ...."
Welsh Home page --> perfect (can you send green and red left nav versions)
Welsh Client home page --> perfect (use version that says "you are logged in as..." and show log out button. Can you send both green and red navs ?

Brilliant :tup: You have been incredible getting the revisions done so quickly. Again, its been a real honour working with someone with the imagination and committment such as yourself :notworthy:

We are back on broadband today --> the pages load like lightening :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

the red versions will come soon :D


edit...

I need to build all images for the red versions. Just saw your message.

Yes I'll send both red and green versions for the homepage and client page. :tup:

Lightening is good sometime :lol:

[LongboatHarry]

Cant wait to see the red ones :tup:

The easiest way to get the pages to us is a zip file to my email address I suppose. Let me know if you want me to PM you the address.

Thanks :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Just edited my previous post.

I think I have your email ;) B)

[DesignGeneral]

:tup:


home (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/red_wel_main.htm)


client (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/red_wel_client.htm)

[LongboatHarry]

Works of art :tup:

One thing... can you get the footer line "designed and developed by..." to fit on 1 line. ? Either use smaller font or change to "designed by..." (get rid of "developed").

Thanks. Looks fantastic :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

yes, no pb.

I'll revise all pages to make sure everything is perfect :D

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I linked the pages ;)

Enjoy! (http://www.europe-roumanie.com/en/imagini/DIF/)

[LongboatHarry]

DesignGeneral :tup:
The pages look awesome. Thanks for demonstrating them as a mini-Site on your Site. Its great to be able to see them in a browser and actually navigate between the pages as for real.

Great stuff. We are very very very happy :) :tup: :)

[DesignGeneral]

:wub: :party: :wizard: :clap:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

I'll send you the files in few min B)

[LongboatHarry]

Woo hoooooo :tup:
We are on broadband this week, so a zip over email will be fine.

Cheers :tup:

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Matt,

Let me know if everything is fine.

Cheers :tup:

[LongboatHarry]

Hi DesignGeneral :tup:

Just sent you a PM to confirm everything is great :tup: Got the files uploaded to our internal Web server and they run like a dream. As an additional note, the quality of the actual HTML and CSS code is fantastic. It will be a real breeze updating these in the future with our marketing info. :tup:

Thanks DesignGeneral - we have a WebSite to be proud of now :tup:

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Palmer - We have received all the files for the template and are, as ever, delighted with the results. :tup:
Thats call it a wrap ;)
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[DesignGeneral]

So is finished :(

See you in the Zoar's contest :tup: