CanopySkirts.com Site Template - Prize: $200

[toddski07]

Contest: Canopy Skirts web site template (www.canopyskirts.com)
Prize: $200 (Admin code added by Zoe - 5722151F)

Deadline: Sunday, April 13th, 5pm CST - Will remain open until that time...may extend if necessary.
Note: Winning template supplied in unflattened format. Do NOT require HTML version.

Site and Design Style Desired:
For those of you who read/participated in the logo contest we did have a "desired logo element" already in mind so that did limit the creativity to an extent. However that is not necessarily the same case for this site template. The site needs to appear clean and professional yet warm and inviting. Our audience is not into whiz-bang high/busy graphic type look and feel. We do not want it to look like a tech site similar to all the web hosting and consulting type companies...nothing too abstract but a little character. A product photo is important so people get an idea of what the heck a canopy skirt is and looks like.

The site really has two parts: A General Information part and an ecommerce part. The homepage will appear more like a general information site rather than a traditional ecommerce storefront. We do not have "a lot of products" to sell...instead we are wanting to educate the visitor about the product and who we are. Then provide them the opportunity to buy it online. There will be links to the store section from the home page but I will not need "top sellers", "product search", "product list", etc. on the homepage itself.

For the homepage we are interested in seeing designs that may or may not contain a left hand menu. It would be nice to see some photos of our product either tiled or integrated into a main graphic for part of the homepage body along with some general text and category links. (Photo links are below) In the zip file I have supplied some "quick and dirty text" for mocking-up the homepage. It will change but at least it gives you some substance.

Regardless of the homepage layout, we would like to see a secondary page which DOES contain a left hand side column/menu. This secondary page will be used for sub menu items and also within the ecommerce section of the web site.

Page Width Desires: See guide include in zip file for some page template size requirements. (pixels wide, etc.)

Product/Site Logo:
We just wrapped up a logo contest and the winning design is still being finalized however feel free to use the one displayed below as a guide for the site template. It will not be altered much from the image below.

http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/CanopySkirtsLogoWinner.gif

Product Tagline: "Creating A Canopy Enclosure"

Company Name:
Pawlowski Enterprises, LLC. (if possible work in somewhere. smaller size is ok. does not have to be center of attention but legible.)

Target Market / Audience Considerations:
Our main audience will be primarly adults ages 35 - 70 who own a lake house with a boat lift. Some of the audience may be web/technology savy but in general I would consider them to be occasional internet users with a general knowledge of "surfing". (Ok...my guess is that more of our market would search on AOL or MSN before searching on Google or AllTheWeb! Get my drift? HA!) We will be selling direct to the consumers and also through a dealer network within the United States.

Links and Navigation:
Within the zip is a text file that contains the Primary and Secondary Header Menu Options. I have also included a second level sub-menu for consideration when designing the left menu. I would prefer that the links in the navigation elements be text and I can control the mouseovers using CSS. If your design looks better with a creative font/image navigation I will consider it for the header element. The left side menu needs to be text based for the actual links.

Fonts: I plan to use Veranda for body text and also for navigation elements if design allows it.

Site Colors:
Primary = blue tones
Secondary = gray tones
Accent = yellows
Body Background = White
Body Text = Black
Body text Link colors, headings, titles, etc. = open to design considerations

Other General Considerations:
Our product deals with the boating and marine industry. Therefore things like water, droplets, waves, lake sunsets, docks, boats, canopy valance, protecting, enclosing, etc. may be considered when trying to generate an idea...however they are by no means required. We want the site to have visual appeal but we don't want the graphics to distract from our message and product.

Zip File Contains:
- Links and Navigation Categories (.txt)
- Homepage Mockup Text (.txt)
- Template Size Requirements (.pdf)

Links to Photos For Consideration In Site Template (We will have much better photo choices later this spring after we get the product installed on several different boat lifts. Gotta work with what we have now though.)

These first ones are probably the best...
- Gray Single 1 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GraySingle1.jpg)
- Gray Single 1 - Tree Shadow Removed (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GraySingle1TreeShadowRemoved.jpg)
- Gray Single 2 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GraySingle2.jpg)
- Gray Single 3 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GraySingle3.jpg)

Another example
- Tan and Green 1 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/TanAndGreen1.jpg) - - - - - - Tan and Green 2 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/TanAndGreen2.jpg) - - - - - - Tan and Green 3 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/TanAndGreen3.jpg)

And yet some more photo choices
- Gray Dual 1 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GrayDual1.jpg) - - - - - - Gray Dual 2 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GrayDual2.jpg) - - - - - - Gray Dual 3 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GrayDual3.jpg) - - - - - - Gray Dual 4 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GrayDual4.jpg) - - - - - - Gray Dual 5 (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/GrayDual5.jpg)

Previously Existing Product Information Flyer: (More or less information for you to learn about the product.
View at: Product Flyer (http://www.brightsideinteractive.com/canopyskirts/designs/ProductFlyerGeneralColor.pdf) (713k)

Competitor Stuff:
We don't really have any direct competitors at this time so I can't really send you to any of their sites. If I happen to find a site or two that I like I will post it here on the forum. Right now it is open.

Finished Output Files:
I primarily use Fireworks for web site graphics but can also limp my way around Photoshop. It would be great if the final version is available in an unflattened format and includes any fonts used. It does NOT need to be supplied in HTML format. Upon completion I would take full ownership/rights of the winning graphic/site template and it or parts of it would not be reproduced for another site template. I reserve the right to use, re-sell and modify the template at my discretion indefinately.

If you have any questions please just give me a shout. Thank you and I look forward to seeing some great templates.

Todd

[john]

Heres an initial design, what do you think?

[toddski07]

john -

Thank you for officially "kicking off the contest". My initial thoughts on this design...it has pretty clean lines and a simple look which creates a soothing feeling when viewing it. That is good. But maybe it is a little too simple looking. Just so you know..."Simple" does not refer to the technical difficulties in creating the graphics but rather the resulting image and feeling I get when viewing the design. Sorry I don't have any hard suggestions like "try this or try that" but perhaps as more designs are entered I will see elements that I like.

In regards to the left side navigation on the homepage with no real header...Not something I pictured but I am not opposed to it either if the design fits. I guess my question to you is what would the header look like on secondary pages within the site if using such a navigation technique on the homepage? I will need the secondary pages to have a main top header with the primary categories across it due to the site content I wish to display. These secondary pages will then use the left area to display sub-menu content.

John, good first design to kick off the contest. Gets the ball rolling and hopefully I can look forward to more designs from you and other designers.

Todd

[crimsondesigner]

This is my first attempt at the design. Tell me what you like/dislike about the design and I will gladly post changes. Thank you for your time.

Erika

[toddski07]

crimsondesigner (Erika) -

Glad to see you throw your hat into the ring! :)

Your initial design is clean and looks nice but I have similar feelings about it being too "simplified" like I mentioned to john about his first template. I can see the play off of the logo and the trim/outline technique but I just don't get that initial "wow...this is sharp" feeling. Sorry.

The menu items My Account, View Cart, Checkout, and FAQ's are the first ones my eyes look at...which is not what I am hoping for. I'd like them to be secondary like you see on many other ecommerce sites. Smaller text and usually located somewhere above the main header categories. I just don't want them to be the focal point.

Also, having the main categories on the left could possibly present problems for me when creating the internal pages. Several of those main categories have a number of sub-menu options and I'm not sure how that would work. I'd like to see the main categories displayed in some sort of a horizontal position. If the number of items makes it difficult in displaying them left to right then feel free to first drop "Store" and then also "Dealers" from the list if you need to. They don't have to be in the header unless there is room. I will say that a left hand main menu on the homepage MAY work so don't totally write off the idea but I will need the internal pages to have a top header style instead of left side for the main ones.

One thing to remember is that while much of the site is going to be an informational site I will have an ecommerce section and would like to keep the interface the same between them. That means inside of the ecommerce section I will have some of the traditional elements. I know in my initial post I said not to worry about "Top Products" "Product Search" etc. and that is still the case. However, even though they are not going to be on the homepage I still need a design that will allow for them deeper in the site.

As far as graphics direction, I'd like to see a design that has some sort of visual element that adds to the feeling but does not take away from the message. (I know...what the HECK does that mean! I wish I could put it into words.) I've see on sites where they take a solid color and it looks like squares or circles are on top and the images overlap and proceed to either get lighter or dark blending into the background. Or instead of shapes it is just flowing lines that intersect or are wavy. This gives sort of an illusion when viewing it.

Quite a bit to chew on...I know. I sure hope to see another design from you. If you have any questions for me please just send me an email. I am pretty quick to respond and have no problem trying to provide you with answers or suggestions.

Thanks again.
Todd

[motiveX]

I will most likely have something to enter in here in the next day or so.

[toddski07]

FYI to the designers...important info about location of category links

The first two designs contain a left hand side menu for the main header categories. While this is totally ok I just want to make sure you all give consideration to the fact that internal pages will need to have a top header for the main categories in order for the left hand side menu to be used for secondary (sub) category navigation.

In my original post I said: "For the homepage we are interested in seeing designs that may or may not contain a left hand menu. " and I guess I should have been more clear in that I was suspecting most of the designs may have used a top header navigation. Which I was actually looking for but did not want to completely shut out the idea of a left hand menu. So my first preference is a top (horizontal) header instead of a left side on the homepage FOR THE MAIN CATEGORIES...however I would still consider others if your design works with it and you have an option for secondary pages.

I have no problem at all if you use a top header element and would still like to include a left hand menu on the homepage. That would be great actually. In this left hand side we could possibly include things like "Announcements", "Ad special logo", "Locate A Dealer" image etc. etc. I'm sure I could find stuff to fill a left hand menu area on the homepage if you include it in your design but do not use it for the actual main categories.

If the list of primary categories is too long to fit horizontally across the header go ahead and drop "Store" first and then also "Dealers" if you need to. I can easily create some sort of a graphic to highlight these sections and include them on a left menu or something.

Any questions, please let me know.
Thanks.
Todd

[QSDA]

Hey! How's this look?
The navigation and the logo part will always stay there (it's in a frame). The same goes with the banner area, it's in a frame, so whenever the viewer click on a link, only the content area will load.
I couldn't really work on the content area simply because I'm a little tired today so I will complete it as soon as possible.

Oh I just noticed that I didn't put those 'warranty',... links.
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/qsda01canopy.jpg

[platinum]

Okay, I've just read your post + information about 100x and I reakon i've taken it all into account (let me know if I missed something). The left menu is pretty easy to "detach" if need be :)

(image is a .gif - so the 'real' version is far clearer (in terms of the photos).)

[toddski07]

QSDA -

I appreciate you taking the time to give my contest a shot.

The main navigation buttons (which you currently have at the bottom) are very nice. I do like the little extra style you gave to them instead of just a solid color tab. Very good. :)

"Framed" Navigation: Sorry but I should have said that is a "No-No" for me when developing websites. The viewable content area is reduced way to much when using frames. Without getting into a lengthy conversation about frames, I just ask that the design not use them. Thanks.

Please consider moving the main navigation buttons to the top header instead of across the bottom. See if you can integrate them as a header element and tie in the tagline and place the Home, My Account, View Cart, etc....above the tabs. Right now you have two rows of tabs. If you would like to have a single row that goes from left edge to right edge feel free to drop "Store" and "Dealers" if needed. Two rows like you have now will also work but just thought I'd let you know of a couple to remove if needed. I like the look and feel of the tabs and "lined" background so you have a good start on that area. If the tagline needs to be a little smaller that is ok. See what you can do.

The left hand menu does not really give me the same positive feeling I get when looking at your main nav tabs. There is nothing wrong with the left hand menu but maybe try another design. If possible I would like the links to be actual text instead of images. I know that limits the design of the actual text but maybe you could come up with a nice style to the box/edging and separators. What do you think?

In regards to the photo treatments...a little too confusing for our viewers. I think instead of varying the color levels to get the effect you are showing could you have the photos be in full color and come up with some sort of border/trim/background that ties them together. This "strip" of photos would be nice to use on the homepage and I'd probably remove it on internal pages due to space considerations. The strip idea could work for the homepage. If you are trying to integrate a photo or two into the header itself I do like that idea as well...just not such a large element (especially after adding the tabs to the top header).

Please make sure the page is designed with a 730px width max. Also, I am hoping to see some sort of edge/trim around the whole site in order to tie it together. I plan on centering the page within the browser window and would like to see the site have a contained/page feel. If the design works I may then use a background color just to fill the rest of the browser window for those who have their screen resolutions higher than 800 x 600.

QSDA, whew...how's that for ya! Like I said, I do think the style on the buttons provide the additional edge I was looking for in the design. They do look nice. I look forward to continue working with you to see how it evolves. If you have any questions just let me know.

Thanks.
Todd

[toddski07]

platinum -

You read the information only 100x....hee hee...well you get an " A - " for inclusion and consideration of the elements! (Sorry can't give out an A + on the first try...but you did do a great job of taking into account all the "stuff" I talked about. I know...sometimes info overload but I try to let all the designers know the stuff ahead of time.)

Overall I like the design. The header element looks clean, changeable text, good use of logo style, and includes a few photos. Body is pretty much that...body text...no problem. Nothing real crazy we can do in that area since it will primarily contain text, drawings, and photos. Footer is pretty simple but that is ok at this point unless you feel like adding some minor design/edges/curve to it. The footer is only there for convenience to the user so I don't mind it being simple.

Could you try adding the tagline below part of the logo? It doesn't have to be real big I just want to see what it looks like.

Left menu...like you said it looks pretty easy to "detach". That is good to know. One area that could maybe use a little more work/consideration is how the design identifies/groups the left menu options. Right now they are just listed together and nothing else is in the left hand menu. Could you look at ways to group or put a border/edge/background design around the menu options? I ask this because on some pages we may have more than one thing listed on the left hand side...ei. other lists, adverts, icons, etc. It would be nice if the different lists where grouped or easily identifiable as a group. (For example within the ecommerce section we will have "Product Search", "Product List", "Help Tips" etc. that could be on the left side.)

Overall things are pretty good. Please consider making the changes I have mentioned. I could have other "little" things but they would not be deal breakers so I won't have you worry about them unless your design is chosen as the winner.

Thanks again. I look forward to seeing the changes. The competition is certainly heating up!
Todd

[Huhhso]

Hello!
Here is my idea for your site template, let me know what you think.
Thanks!
:D
<img src='http://www.waila.com/freelance/canopybrowser.jpg[/img]

[Liz]

Well, hi Todd,

Having done the logo I thought I'd throw my hat into the associated template contest.

Here's my entry (http://clients.snapfire.com/canopy.gif). Obviously this is the main page and any sub-pages would incorporated the left menu, per your specs.

Thanks for your consideration,

Liz.

[toddski07]

huhhso -

Well I can say this is a different look than what I was envisioning but that is not a bad thing. Guess that is why I am here at the contest...to see what the designers can come up with! :-) I do like it though...kind of that XP look eh. Gives me another option to consider.

I like the added touch of the marine elements including the flags and anchor icons. Fits with your design and adds a little personality to it.

The main body content/elements look good and require no changes at this time. (The part from "Welcome!" to the "Photo Gallery and Testimonials" link.)

Similar to what I have asked other designers could I see your design with the main categories displayed as buttons/tabs across the header instead of on the left side menu? Add then for Home, My Account, View Cart, Checkout, and FAQ's please change them from tabs to maybe just smaller text above the tabs. They are more secondary than anything. If you need to remove a main category in order to fit the items from left to right go ahead and first remove "Store" and then "Dealers".

And then on the left hand side could you please show me an example of how you would present a sub-menu for the About Us section. For the sub items I'd like them not to be separate buttons but rather some sort of grouping. (Don't worry about the main body content...leave it as the homepage stuff. I just want to see what a sub-menu would look like.) Go ahead and leave the other icons you have in the left hand side.

I really look forward to seeing the changes. It is good to have a variety of designs.
Thanks again.
Todd

[toddski07]

rabbitdog -

Nice to see the logo winner "throw her hat into the ring" also.

The design has a very clean look to it and is easy on the eyes. Overall a job well done. Not a whole lot of changes at this time but a couple things I would like to see.

Could you please change "Ordering Benefits" to "Ordering" and "Benefits"...they are two separate items. Not sure if this makes the list too long and it pushes the overall page width to far. Only thing to consider is either starting the list closer to the left side or removing "Store" and/or "Dealers" and leaving the menu to start from the bottom edge of the skirt logo like you currently have it. Play with it and see what looks best.

I bet the grayscale photo probably looks more warm and fits with the overall feel of the site but I'd also like to see the design with the main photo in color. (Just for comparison)

Please make sure the page is designed with a 730px width max in mind. Also, I am hoping to see some sort of edge/trim around the whole site in order to tie it together. I plan on centering the page within the browser window and would like to see the site have a contained/page feel. If the design works I may then use a background color just to fill the rest of the browser window for those who have their screen resolutions higher than 800 x 600. Any ideas for this request? Any way to encapsulate the site contents? Even if the design has a surrounding element I may leave the page background white if it looks best. Otherwise I was thinking of using the lighter blue, light gray, or yellow...etc. (I'm talking about the background of the browser window and not the page content background.)

Liz, I like the design. I hope you can make a few of the requested changes and then that should do it until a later decision.

Thanks again.
Todd

[toddski07]

I just wanted to say thank you to all the designers who have currently posted a site template design for this contest. Each one brings a new element, look and feel, or color to the table that I am sure this will be a tough decision by the end of this upcoming weekend. I look forward to seeing the revisions for currently posted designs based on my feedback. If any of you have questions please let me know.

Also, there is plenty of time left for any other designers to get into the mix. Each time a new design is posted it expands my mind and offers a new world of things to consider.

Again, I am very happy with how this contest is going in such a short time. I'm impressed and so glad I heard about DesignOutpost.com.

Thanks.
Todd
PS. Don't worry Palmer, I'll leave a testimonial for the logo and site template after all is wrapped up! ;)

[Zoe]

Hi Todd,

Just wanted to mention that I would like to enter this comp in a few days... (just in case you decide to finish early) :)

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Demex@Apr 7 2003, 03:13 PM
Hi Todd,

Just wanted to mention that I would like to enter this comp in a few days... (just in case you decide to finish early) :)
Demex-

Look forward to seeing your design in a few days. I will not be ending the competition early so don't worry. I'd like to have the entries in by the posted deadline so I can narrow it down to two or three and make any final alterations before picking the overall winner.

Thanks again.
Todd

[Zoe]

great! Will be in before the deadline!

[Zoe]

Hi Todd,

This is my concept for the home page. I have not yet created the inside pages though couldn't wait to post this idea before continuing.
I would love to hear your comments and I will post the inside page design in a day or so.

http://www.demexdesign.com/canopyskirts.gif

Please also note, that although the design is liquid vertically it would begin to look weird if stretched too far.

[Palmer]

That's pretty nifty making the layout look like a canopy itself. Very clever B)

[Zoe]

When I went away and returned to the design I thought of another way to format the copy...

http://www.demexdesign.com/canopyskirts2.gif

[Zoe]

thanks Palmer... was trying for something a little different though still applying a professional feel... ( I hope.. :) )

[Huhhso]

I toned down some the colors and added the about subpage and horizontal nav revisions
Thanks!
:)<img src='http://www.waila.com/freelance/canopy_horizontal.jpg[/img]

[toddski07]

Demex -

Looks very nice. Again, a totally new look compared to other designs I get to evaluate for this contest. Similar to what our flyer concept was trying to convey but your design has a much more polished look. This is gonna be tough after the weekend!

I do like the changes you made to the body and link text in your second design. Looks nice and sharp.

I do have some requests for you and I am sending you a private message with an attached file. For the benefit of everyone reading this I am more or less requesting Demex to try and incorporate the main categories into the header flaps instead of at the bottom. (Just thought I'd share it with the public.)

Todd

[toddski07]

huhhso v2 -

Thanks for submitting the revised design. I like it and think it looks very good. The adjusted colors fit well and the design has a sharp look to it. No other real changes are required at this time. When the deadline approaches I am going to show the designs to parties involved behind the scenes here and we will either come up with our top 2 or 3 and request any changes if necessary or we may just select a winning design and have that designer make final alterations.

Again, your current design looks very good and will certainly give us another option to consider. Thanks again.
Todd

[QSDA]

Ok here my revisions come.

1st of all I didn't take out any of the main tabs because the way it is now with the logo on the left, I think it really works well.
The width is exactly 730px's excluding the background.
Please don't hesitate to ask for changes. Thanks.

ps. This is how it would look in resolutions bigger than 800x600.
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/1024.jpg

[toddski07]

QSDA v2 -

Thanks for posting your design with the revisions I requested. It looks like a very nice design. It has a clean look to it and would allow pretty easy navigation for the visitors.

Not real sure about what I think of the green part of the header. I "sort of" like it just not sure. Could I see the color in yellows instead of greens? Also instead of having the photos be "tinted" could I see them in true color? Keep a copy of the current design in case I decide it looks better than the changes I just requested.

One last thing, based on the template could I see an example of an interior page using the left hand menu categories I stated in the zip file for the "About Us" section? I do like your design and that is why I would like to see what an internal page would look like.

Thank you very much. The decision is getting more difficult with each designers revisions!
Todd

[QSDA]

Here's your requested changes.
The reason why I tinted the photos (the green v.) is because it helpes the whole image look one. Looks unified.
About the left-hand menu, I did it earlier but somehow thought you wouldn't like it so I didn't post it but here it is. I'm thinking about a different menu style as I type.

yellow v. (http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/800yellow.jpg)
green v. (http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/800.jpg)

[Zoe]

Hi Todd,

Thanks for sending me details on how you would like the design changed. That was great!

My question for you though...

My original idea was to simply have this design for the home page and then have a corporate/clean feel for the inside pages.

I am now assuming and do not wish to assume wrong that you would like the inside pages to have the same feel?

[toddski07]

Originally posted by QSDA@Apr 9 2003, 06:07 PM
Here's your requested changes.
The reason why I tinted the photos (the green v.) is because it helpes the whole image look one. Looks unified.
About the left-hand menu, I did it earlier but somehow thought you wouldn't like it so I didn't post it but here it is. I'm thinking about a different menu style as I type.

yellow v. (http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/800yellow.jpg)
green v. (http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/800.jpg)
QSDA v2 modified -

Thanks for the quick turnaround. I understand your point about the tinted photos feeling more like they fit in. I can't really tell if I like the yellow or green better. I'll wait to show a few others and see what they say before having you make any more color changes.

I have a feeling that your current "streaking....blending....part" in the header might not be the right element. Can't put my finger on it exactly but just thought I'd let you know. When we evaluate the site templates later this weekend I will make sure to ask the people I show them to for opinions not only about the overall design but individual elements as well. That way if someone likes certain parts and dislikes others of a design there is a possibility that we can approach that designer to make some changes etc. If you have any other ideas pop-up in your head over the next couple days please consider posting them.

Left side menu example - The design you posted is clean and would work with your design. If you do think of another style feel free to post it and I'd gladly consider it.

Like I said, the design looks very good and would certainly work for presenting the information we hope to share with our customers. Not quite sure on part of the header element...jury is still out on that. :-) But the design is certainly one we will be considering.

Thanks.
Todd

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Demex@Apr 9 2003, 07:04 PM
Hi Todd,

Thanks for sending me details on how you would like the design changed. That was great!

My question for you though...
My original idea was to simply have this design for the home page and then have a corporate/clean feel for the inside pages.
I am now assuming and do not wish to assume wrong that you would like the inside pages to have the same feel?
Demex- (sent you an email with more details)

I guess I thought the design you posted would be used throughout the site. I did not know you were planning on coming up with a secondary/internal page design also. How about you make the changes I requested and let's take a look at how that turns out. If it looks good then we could probably get away with using the same style throughout the site if your design wins.

Thanks.
Todd

[QSDA]

When you said "streaking....blending....part", were you referring to the part where I touched up on the header?
http://portfolio.iu.edu/otseren/1024x.jpg

[Zoe]

Hi Todd,

Here is the latest update...

http://www.demexdesign.com/canopyskirts3.gif

[toddski07]

Originally posted by QSDA@Apr 9 2003, 11:14 PM
When you said "streaking....blending....part", were you referring to the part where I touched up on the header?
QSDA -

Part of it yes...eliminating the steaking/blurring of the photo is a good thing. I guess not only the photo part but the whole part where the green goes from left to right and the text "Creating a" is slightly visible within it. I don't know what kind of suggestions to give in regards to improving it but I have a feeling that the people reviewing the designs "might not get it"...just a gut feeling. When evaluating designs I will make sure to ask if a particular element is "liked" or "disliked" rather than just the whole design. That way a designer may be given a chance to correct/create an element to polish off a design. No guarantees but I just want to assure all the designers that we will be looking at all elements individually and ofcourse the site template as a whole design.

Your design looks good for now so I don't think you need to continue working on it unless you think of something else to add/change. (I know you have a few other contests to design for as well so I don't want to "hog" your time.) I like it and this decision will be a tough one.

Thanks again for the prompt turnaround.
Todd

[toddski07]

demex -

The changes look very good. Thank you! Your solution for the top links is nice...much better than what I suggested. :-)

Any chance I could see an example of an internal page using the sub menu for "About Us" as included in the zip file? I'd like to present your design (and others) with the homepage and an internal page so we can see how the left side menu and other elements (titles, buttons, table style/boxes, etc.) would look.

I appreciate you taking the time to refine the design.

Thanks.
Todd

[mhq]

i could really use the $200 so here is my entry...

[toddski07]

mhq -

Thanks for entering the contest. Your posted design has a clean and simple look to it and would be very easy for users to navigate. Perhaps our target audience will need an "easy to navigate and figure out" type web site...I think they will. It appears that you took many of the requirements into consideration. Thanks.

One thing, could you please adjust the colors so they match a little more closely with the logo colors? That way I can get a better visual of the site template as a whole.

Thanks again for taking the time to post a design.
Todd

[mhq]

thanks for the advice...
here is a revised version of my entry

[Zoe]

Hi Todd,

Here is the design for the inside pages... Simple yet effective design...

http://www.demexdesign.com/canopyskirts3.1.gif

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Demex@Apr 11 2003, 10:11 AM
Hi Todd,

Here is the design for the inside pages... Simple yet effective design...
Demex -

Thanks for posting an internal page example. Consider your work completed at this time. It looks very good and I won't need any additions/changes prior to showing the design to other company members this Sunday evening. I appreciate the work you put into the design.

This contest is going to be a tough decision especially after receiving the revisions to all the other designs. My head "hurts" just thinking about Sunday evening! :o

Have a nice weekend and I'll post an update by noon on Monday about the status of the contest.

Todd

[toddski07]

Hello all designers involved in this contest...

Consider this a friendly reminder that the contest is scheduled to end this Sunday, April 13th, at 5pm CST. While I have received a few revised designs based on my feedback there are a couple that are still unrevised. I hope those designers will be able to make the revisions prior to the deadline. If not, I completely understand that we all get busy and in that case I will just use the currently posted versions.

We will be reviewing all the designs Sunday evening and I will make comments on this forum no later than noon Monday. At that time I will either announce the winner or if we have it narrowed down to a couple I may ask for a few modifications to those.

I know I've said this a few times already but I just want everyone to know that I am very pleased with how this site template contest has gone so far. The designs are great and give me a variety to consider. I know I will bring future client projects to this site as they come up.

Thanks again. Can't wait to evaluate the final designs.
Todd

[Raja]

;) <img src='http://www.webfellaz.com/4fun/canopypage.gif[/img]

[toddski07]

ondarox v1 -

Thanks for entering the contest. Very nice design indeed. Again...something new to consider.

I really like the items on the right hand side of the page. Neat how you separated out the items and good use of background colors etc to emphasize details. I like it.

Left hand menu structure on "landing page" is ok. Like the wavy part otherwise it is pretty simple...but that is ok with me on your design.

Couple things...
1) can you increase the size of the logo a little bit in the header and
2) I'm not real crazy about the photo in the center. I like the idea of the photo and I get what you are trying to show..."covered etc." but maybe a more general lake/boating photo would be better even for when I am just wanting to show others the design. (Six pack on a guy might not do it...a six-pack of beer on the other hand might win you some points! HA! J/K!)

3) Using a left hand menu on the homepage may work as shown...however could you show me an example of what an internal page might look like using your overall style? I'd like the main items horizontal at least on internal pages so please show me what a content page might look like.

I like the design and hope you will make the slight changes and also include an internal page example prior to the Sunday deadline. Nice clean design and looks sharp.

Thanks again.
Todd

[platinum]

Hope I'm not too late!

Here is my entry with the revisions :)
(the menu should be able to be re-created in CSS fairly easily in case you are wondering ;))

[toddski07]

platinum (revision) -

Nope...you are not too late. Thanks for submitting the revisions. They look good and I do believe the menus would be easy to recreate using CSS. I like how you added a little style to the footer element as well. No other changes are required at this time. I'll be sure to show your design to our team this Sunday evening.

I appreciate the time and effort you put into the site template.

Thanks again.
Todd

[Marina]

Just in time! :P Hope you like it.

<img src='http://www.imdesigns.net/canopy.gif[/img]

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Marina@Apr 12 2003, 03:53 PM
Just in time! :P Hope you like it.
Marina-

Hi there,

Glad to see your entry in the site template contest. I really like your design. Dang...just what I need...another cool design to consider. This is going to be a tough decision.

One request...could you please post an example of an internal page using the "About Us" left side menu? I'd like to see what a content page would look like with your site template style.

Otherwise things look great.
Thanks. Hope you consider my request prior to the deadline.

Todd

[Palmer]

Just wanted to put some comments in here because I can :P I've noticed a lot of great entries that came from this contest and for potential contest holders, I wanted to point out what I feel are the reasons.

-An html conversion of the template is not required...
What that does is open the door to everyone on the team, not just the designers that know their way around an html editor.

-Thorough description of what's needed...
The first post of the thread is extremely well thought out, descriptive and explanatory of what exactly is needed. I could use that as a guide for all future contest holders to go by when posting their contest.

-Active participation from the contest holder...
Todd has been posting comments almost immediately after a new design has been entered. In addition his critiques have been helpful and most importantly kind. I know it looks like the Design Team just fires up the template-o-matic in regards of how fast they work. Trust me, it doesn't work that way. A template in graphic form can take up to 6 hours plus to design. I really like how Todd is quick to point out what he likes about the entry and also gently and politley how he asks for revisions.

-Descriptive comments given...
Once again, Todd gets the thumbs up :tup: for not only asking nicely for revisions, but in being very clear of what he would like to be done. It's one thing to say "Could you try a different color?", it's much more helpful to say, "Could you try some blues or greens instead?".

-High prize money...
Let's face it, money talks :D The format of this whole competition format lends itself to the line of thought... "Is it worth it for me to put the time in to this contest knowing that I might not win?" Obviously the the more you offer, the higher the quality, and a greater amount of entries can be expected. I also wanted to point out that even though $200 is high, it is still an incredible bargain when it comes to a professionally designed custom template.

Good luck to the members of the Design Team that entered and thanks goes out to Todd for making this one of the most successful contests Design Outpost has ever seen. :clap: I do not envy your very difficult decision.

[Marina]

Thanks for the feedback Todd. I'm glad you liked it. Here's a quick mockup of an internal page. I wanted to post it before the deadline, which is why it looks so plain (it's 2 am here in Stockholm...). :rolleyes:

I will gladly add some more "bells and whistles" to the template in case it is chosen as the winner (and after getting my beauty sleep ;) )

<img src='http://www.imdesigns.net/canopy2.gif[/img]

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Marina@Apr 12 2003, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the feedback Todd. I'm glad you liked it. Here's a quick mockup of an internal page. I wanted to post it before the deadline, which is why it looks so plain (it's 2 am here in Stockholm...). :rolleyes:

I will gladly add some more "bells and whistles" to the template in case it is chosen as the winner (and after getting my beauty sleep ;) )

Hey Marina-

Thanks for posting an internal page example. Unfortunately it seems your site is currently not available...the images are not appearing in the forum. It is about 11:45PM CST on Saturday so I will make sure to check again on Sunday prior to the deadline. If anybody happen to view the previous images for Marina and have them in their temp files please repost them for me.

Thank you very much.
Todd

[Palmer]

They are now. :)

ps-did you see my post?

[toddski07]

Originally posted by Palmer@Apr 12 2003, 10:52 PM
They are now. :)

ps-did you see my post?
Hmmm...still not showing up for me. I get the big ol' red X in place of the image. Any chance you can try posting them for me?

Yes I did see your post. I am flattered by the comments and will certainly reply to several of them at the conclusion of the contest. FYI...Just got back from an Alison Krauss and Union Station concert...therefore not in the "best" shape to post thoughtful remarks/comments! :blink: Hee Hee...had a few brews and heading to bed!

I'll be checking out the forum several times tomorrow for any last minute comments/questions.

Thanks again. This has been a very good experience.
Todd

[Palmer]

Here's her (marina's) latest entry...
http://www.yourwebbuddy.com/misc/canopy2.gif

[motiveX]

Originally posted by toddski07@Apr 12 2003, 11:01 PM
FYI...Just got back from an Alison Krauss and Union Station concert...therefore not in the "best" shape to post thoughtful remarks/comments! :blink: Hee Hee...had a few brews and heading to bed!
Ahhhhhhhhhh!

That is the best time to post my friend.

Keeps things exciting!!!

:tup: :yes:

[Liz]

Just wanted to slip in an update with the changes to the main page you requested, Todd.

http://clients.snapfire.com/canopy2.gif

Unfortunately, I don't have time to work on an inside page mockup (rushing to finish an article by tomorrow's deadline!), but I'd happily work with you to come up with something based on the exterior page if the Powers That Be like it.

Thanks again,
Liz.

[toddski07]

Originally posted by rabbitdog@Apr 13 2003, 04:44 PM
Just wanted to slip in an update with the changes to the main page you requested, Todd.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to work on an inside page mockup (rushing to finish an article by tomorrow's deadline!), but I'd happily work with you to come up with something based on the exterior page if the Powers That Be like it.

Thanks again,
Liz.
No problem Liz. I do appreciate you at least making the changes to the homepage design for our evaluation. I'll post more information for everyone after we have a chance to look at the different designs this evening.

Thanks again.
Todd

[toddski07]

The contest has ended and we have made a decision. More about that in a minute.

First of all, I'd like to thank all the designers who participated in contest. It has been a pleasure working and communicating with all of you. I was impressed with the initial designs and by the quick turnaround of the revised versions that were posted. Each time a revision was posted I kept thinking "Dang...this is going to be tough." The great thing about a site like DesignOutpost.com is that I have a chance to be exposed to several designers who each offer their own unique style. This contest is a good example of the different styles. Some were similar while others offered a different approach...all while trying to meet my requirements. Thank you for your efforts.

In regards to the comments posted by Palmer...thank you. I appreciate the compliments and I hope others feel the contest was a positive experience as well. Perhaps I had a slight advantage in running/posting this contest because of my background as a marketing mngr and now a web developer. If a contest holder is not aware of the different elements required and what messages to communicate to the designers it may lead to a more challenging/frustrating contest. Creating some sort of a "Site Template Posting Recommendation Guide" based on my initial post (and other people's contests for that matter) would be a great resource for people posting new contests. If they are aware of the elements that make a designer's job easier I bet most people would supply the info upfront if they have it available.

Prize money...I agree...while $200 is high based on current contests...a custom template for this price is relatively low to be honest. It's a great deal for me and I am happy about that. Since CanopySkirts.com is my own company and the money is straight out of my personal pocket I couldn't afford much more. (No revenue at this point!) Plus, this was my first site template contest and certainly wouldn't want buyer regret if I offered $XXX and thought I overpaid. However, I plan on using this site for future client projects and their budgets usually allow for a little more money in the graphic design department. A true CUSTOM site template could range more between $250 - $650 depending on the complexity of the site and the amount of elements (header, titles, buttons, boxes, etc.) that are included as part of the finished design. I'm not saying all sites fall into that range and not all designs that are posted by designers fall in there either. Contest holders don't want to feel jipped by receiving only "fired-up template machines" and designers want to be rewarded for their true customized efforts...tough balancing act sometimes.

Alright...back to the contest.

Our team reviewed all the site templates that were submitted. We ended up grouping some of them based on the "look and feel" aspects and drilled down our choices even further. Groupings were NOT based on which ones are better and/or took more or less time to create etc. Here are they are in no particular order.

Here are some of the comments: (For the designers benefit)

Group 1- More traditional website look and feel
-john: nice clean and simple look but unfortunately no revision was posted so that made it difficult to consider as a finalist
-crimsondesigner: (same comments as above for John)
-mhq: OK response. Liked the design and felt it would be easy for users to navigate but a little too simple. Didn't set itself apart from a basic feel.
-platinum: Positive comments. Liked the traditional look and feel of it. Logo was prominent and good navigation elements. Thought the multiple photos in the upper right might be a little too busy. Of course that could easily be changed. All in all...the best candidate from the "more traditional" style.

Group 2- More defined header and design elements yet consistent look and feel
-rabbitdog: Liked the header. It had a sharp clean appearance and looked nice. The rest of the page was ok but some comments were about the lack of a starting visual point...where did their eyes go first kind of thing.
-marina: Overall not a bad design at all. Some felt the colors may have led it to feel a little more corporate. A professional feeling yes..but maybe looking for something a little more "lighter" feeling.
-qsda: Liked the tab approach...easy to recognize the categories. Felt the logo was a little small and may be lost in the header. The green streaking and fading/blending of "Creating A" in the background was not a positive. Most team members could figure it out and recognize the element but thought the less savy user may have felt the image just didn't load properly.
-demex: Overall liked the design. The logo was prominent and they liked the canopy approach. Provided a "light" feeling. Not too many negative comments.

Group 3- Unique designs (At least compared to the rest of the designs!)
-Huhhso: Nice design. Thought the colors may look better if they were a little more rich/deep instead of the lighter ones. Liked the photo treatment and also how the footer element looked. Felt it would work better if our site was more of a store feel than an information focused site (with a store).
-ondarox: Unique layout. Liked the photo where you isolated the skirt and top. Looked nice but thought the design might work better for an advert rather than a whole site.

I hope you each take the feedback as constructive. All the designs brought something new to the table and offered us a unique perspective. Several times I heard "I'd like to see this item placed on this other design" etc.



Drum rollllllllll...
The winner of the contest is...DEMEX.

Congratulations. The team really liked how prominent the logo was without being intrusive and also the canopy feel. Thought the design directed their eyes through the message and to important points. Also liked the clean look and sharp colors. From my web developer's perspective...I know the design will allow me to do the things I want to behind the scenes that the other team members have NO clue about or understanding of coding techniques. There will be a few adjustments to the final template prior to sending/preparing it for me. I'll send the comments to you in a private message though.

Thanks again for everyone that participated in this contest. It has been a pleasure. Now I need to hunker down and get the site programmed with the new look.

Todd

[beetle]

What a great follow-up Todd! On behalf of all of us here at DesignOutpost I'd like to thank you for the tremendous feedback :tup:

[Palmer]

Likewise what Peter said and also just as important...

Way to go Zoe!!! :clap: :woot: :notworthy:

Todd myself and the Design Team really appreciate the effort you put forth for this contest. It was a pleasure following it. Very glad you found us and I look forward to your future contests.

All my best to you and Canopy Skirts...
Palmer

[Liz]

Congrats Zoe :) Awesome job on the template.

[Zoe]

Wow - That's Great! So much happens when I am sleeping! Certainly a great way to start the day.

Todd - It has been great working with you so far on this design. I will contact you to discuss the finer details.

[platinum]

Congrats Zoe! :D

Thanks for the feedback Todd - a great example to other contest holders :)