Template for new website-$400 Prize *Project Over*

[Bill & Dave]

(Admin code added by Palmer - 613830L)

THIS CONTEST IS BEING EXTENDED UNTIL WEDNESDAY NIGHT, MAY 19th.


$400. Template needed for a new diet related website. Must include content layout for a Home page and a ‘What It Is’ page. No coding required (except if .gifs or flash are included in the design).

NOTE: Winning design’s static elements must be delivered as a layered .psd.

COMPANY NAME
Metabolic Typing Online

DOMAIN NAME
metabolictyping.com

OUR LOGO
See below – you have some freedom to play with it, remove the text, etc. Just leave the circle. And, yes, this basic logo was used recently in another contest for our other site (www.foodpharmacy.com).

WHAT WE SELL
We provide instant access to our online questionnaire that determines exactly the right diet and supplements for any user. Our process is based on 25 years of research. Until now it has only been available to healthcare professionals. We do address weight problems but also address medical problems too. So ours is not really a “weight loss” program, and should not be graphically pitched as one if possible. We offer way more than weight loss, which makes us completely unique.

INTENDED AUDIENCE
Those confused by all the various diets (Atkins, Ornish, Zone, Perricone, South Beach, etc.)

MOOD & TONE
Simple, uncluttered, upbeat but mature and professional

COLORS
Should probably not clash with our logo (see below)

IMAGES
A doctor could be included to emphasize ours as being more than a typical fad weight loss program.

POSSIBLE DYNAMIC ELEMENTS
• Different food items appearing and fading (a steak, veggies, fruits, bread, etc.)
• Provocative phrases appearing and fading (“high protein?”, “low fat?”, “low calorie?”, “no sugar?”, “macrobiotic?”, “vegetarian?”, “raw foods?”)

REQUIRED TEXT
Tagline –
• Demystifying the Diet Debate

Call-to-action sentence options -
Recommended:
• Cut through the confusion – discover the perfect nutritional program for your unique metabolism today.

Optional:
• Discover the perfect nutritional plan for you.
• Don’t wait to experience optimal health. Discover your perfect diet right now.
• Don’t rely on the latest trends -- discover the perfect diet for your metabolism today.

REQUIRED NAVIGATION
What It Is
Who We Are
User Comments
Independent Reviews

Links to these pages –
• Our Best Selling Book (image of book available at http://www.metabolictypingdiet.com)
• Supplements & Supplies
• Professional Education
• Research & Technology
• Questionnaire (maybe titled something like “Find Out Now!”) - this is the most important navigation button!!!

RESOURCES FOR YOU
• Logo (see below)
• Second page text (required) -
A diet designed with you in mind
You have probably tried numerous diets with less than spectacular results. Don’t blame yourself. Don’t blame the diet. The truth is that no one diet is right for every person. The right solution for you – the one that will produce effortless results – must be based on your metabolic type.
Simply put, your metabolic type defines the way in which your body reacts to nutrients. That’s why a specific diet or supplement doesn’t produce the same results in every person.

Metabolic Typing is a revolutionary approach to health and nutrition – and it’s the only scientifically based system that can design a customized nutritional program based on your unique biochemical and genetic make-up.

You are designed to be healthy. With Metabolic Typing, you will reach your body’s ideal weight and reverse degenerative disease without cravings or hunger. Now you can follow a diet and supplement program that will help you get well and stay well.

Don’t wait any longer to experience true health. Access the right nutritional program for you today!

DEADLINE
Monday, May 19, at 8:00 pm Pacific time.

[Bill & Dave]

Hey, Designers - we need some entries please. Deadline is soon, but the prize is high for what we need. Please submit something!

Thanks,
Bill & Dave

[Pawel]

I'll be submitting my entry soon

[V + E + R + T]

Are there any websites that you like?

[Bill & Dave]

I recently ran another contest and really liked Xjeria's, Anne's, Zoe's and Creative Measures designs. And especially, of course, our winner - incognito. See them all here:
http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?showtopic=3903

I also like the stark simplicity of this site (though the images are inappropriate for us):
http://www.idirectnetwork.com/WFH/NewDiet/...iet+software%2A (http://www.idirectnetwork.com/WFH/NewDiet/index.asp?v=77&b=dietsoftware&engine=adwords!1099&keyword=%2Adiet+software%2A)


Let's see what Bill has to say too. He will post in a bit.
Dave

[DesignGeneral]

Here we go ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

;)

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[Bill & Dave]

VERT,
Bill says he can find no websites he considers notable.

We both generally appreciate simplicity and a webpage frame that does not distract from our taglines and message.

An example of a colorful frame and lots of visual stimulus that did work well was the first entry from Xjeria in my last contest. We both liked it a lot because even though it was "busy" it drew our eyes into the center very effectively.

Hope that helps.
Dave

[Fabian]

Hi Dave

Would you like to see my "Foodpharmacy" design redone to suit this project ?

Fabian

[Bill & Dave]

DesignGeneral and CreativeMeasures (and anyone else who entered the foodpharmacy contest):

Your previous designs, though nearly all extremely effective for that product, can't really express the meaning and content we need through your previous design elements.

The other contest was for site selling professional healthcare software. It was not intended to do much except provide the user with a place to purchase or try the software. All our marketing and advertising for the software is in magazines and at conferences. Once on our site they already knew what they were there to learn more about.

This new site has a very different audience, message, and product. The design must reflect this. This audience is not mostly healthcare professionals, but rather average people who are confused about all the diet gurus and diet scams out there. It should incite them to use our questionnaire to find out (exactly and scientifically) what they should be eating, and taking as supplements.

The site navigation will provide easy access to information for healthcare professionals, but that is secondary to the intent of the site's design.

Hope that helps.
Thanks,
Dave

[Bill & Dave]

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Would you like to see my "Foodpharmacy" design redone to suit this project ?

Fabian[/b][/quote]
hi Fabian,

tough question.

we're afraid that we just wouldn't know unless we saw it redone.

one thing we learned from past experience is that designs don't necessarily port well from one topic/subject to another.

sorry we can't be more helpful. but if you want to try submitting something, we could certainly then offer comments.

the most salient issue is the idea that one diet is not right for everyone. and that the only healthy, ideal diet is the one that meets each person's genetic requirements. so whether your other design could work for that is just unknown at this point.

thank you so much for your interest.
Bill ( for Bill & Dave )

[_firstwave_]

hi,

heres my draft.

[dziner]

Count me in. :wee:

shelly

[Bill & Dave]

Firstwave,

firstwave - thank you so much for your draft.

unfortunately, it isn't exactly what we're shooting for. we're looking for something that in comparison would be classified as more "artsy" or elegant as opposed to the more linear look and feel

some specific issues --

- the tagline, Demystifying the Diet Debate, should take more prominance

- the book, although we want a presence for it, should be much less dominant

- the primary focus should be to encourage viewers to take the test to find out their metabolic type and receive the proper diet protocol from us

thanks again. please try again.

Bill

[Bill & Dave]

Designers: We need more entries please!

Our deadline is early next week.

Thank you,
Dave

[Pawel]

my entry will be posted later today

[JeremeDavid]

Here is my entry.

[Anne]

Here is my entry. It's pretty simple so if you like to see something else let me know and I will see what I can come up with.

Looking forward to your feedback.

Anne

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid:
How do you see the header appearing on the subsequent pages? The logo circle is quite big. The front doctor looks a bit pale and unhealthy. The site also looks more like it is selling a book rather than encouraging the viewer to take the questionnaire. Your use of text phrases and navagation in the header is quite good.


Anne:
The tagline should probably not be used as a title. However 'Discover your perfect diet right now.' could be. As with JeremeDavid's design your site also looks more like it is selling a book rather than encouraging the viewer to take the questionnaire. Overall your design is very friendly (in tone and color), which is a plus.


How about some flowing lines somewhere, or something less structured? Can that be worked in?


Metabolic Typing is a subject rich with creative potential. One way of expressing the general idea of it is that people are unique. Different bodies. Different genes. Different diets. Different needs for nutrition. What makes one person healthy and lean, makes a different person (metabolic type) unhealthy and overweight. Is there some creative way to make a visual expression of this concept -- of different body types needing different diets (in order to be healthy and fit and lean)?


Thanks so much for your entries.

Bill & Dave

[Pawel]

Here's my go at it, I went for an organic feeling.
The picture you see with tomatoes will be a dynamic slideshow, pictures will fade in and fade out with text placed on them, so as you can see I've included an example tomatoes and the text "raw food?" since you can eat tomatoes raw etc., another example would be a bunch of vegetables and text "vegetarian?" and so on...
I put an emphasis on the questionnaire area, bold fonts, vivid colors and definitely a focal point with the arrow draggin your eye right to the box, it's just waiting for you to click it :)
That will be all for now.
Thank you

[Pawel]

And a subpage...
I've included a pic of strawberry just to sort of link to your other site.
Of course the left panel will be used for displaying, well you might want to display some testimonials / reviews etc, maybe random facts about your program , and some interesting facts about nutrition in general etc.

[Bill & Dave]

Deplex:

Thank you for your entries.

The flowing lines in the header are OK in concept, but they accentuate the
logo. Branding in this site is not as important but the main message is,
which could probably be in the header instead of below.

The tagline has proven to not work well as a title, so contrary to our
original listed requirements (which have now been edited), it can go in a
less prominent spot. Our mistake.

The header is a bit too tall and/or prominent, and draws attention away from
our message and call to action.

The colors are a bit too pacifying (too much "air" element). Plus they make
the person look green. Grounding colors are recommended (our message is
supposed to be grounding).

The navigation buttons or links should not be in the middle of a page, and
should not be so prominent.

"Latest News" (etc) is not an element we will be using, and should be
removed (simplicity is important). All unnecessary elements should be
avoided to keep focus on the call to action.

The flash box is good in concept, but looks a bit unbalanced or out of
place, perhaps because the text beside it is too stimulating, and there is
nothing in the bottom right corner of the page to keep the page from
"tipping over".

Thank you for thinking of "linking" to FoodPharmacy.com but this is not required.

Thanks, again.

Bill & Dave

[Pawel]

Yikes!
Guess I'm outta the competition
I'll try again though and post an update with the necessary changes
Thank you

[Bill & Dave]

Deplex - actually, no, you are not out at all.

However, since everyone seems to be missing the mark by the same amount, there is a tie! ;)

Maybe we are not being clear enough in our description of what we need?

Maybe our expectations are too high for a $400 contest?

Please feel free to educate us! We are novices after all....

Nonetheless, please -- everyone -- keep trying!

Bill & Dave

[Pawel]

Hey there, no $400 for two pages, uncoded is actually a nice prize.
I've modified the header, I've made it smaller, and changed the layout a bit, I've also changed the color scheme, instead of that relaxing and calm green I've used the "earthy" green.
Whatever suggestions /comments you might have please post them, so I know what I have to do to execute a perfect design :)
Thank you

[Bill & Dave]

Bill is out for a bit, but will comment a little later.

Since we don't have an exact image of what we are looking for I'm afraid we are ending up sounding kind of negative because it is much easier to say what we are NOT looking for. Gosh, this doesn't really help much, does it?

What we want is for someone to really surprise us with a unique design that is very simple with no frills or distractions. There is a link to a design I like because of the stark simplicity of the header and messaging back on page one. You might check it out. I also really liked Raja's first entry in the foodpharmacy contest (which is still posted in Revisions - see page 4 of our last contest). Now THAT was unique, powerful yet simple.

Bill and I fiddled around trying to design something using one of Xjeria's layouts (which we paid her for) but we could not quite get it right, nor could she. Perhaps I should post that image all of you can see what we did like (?). I assume that is OK since we paid her for the work.

What do you think? Would that help?
Dave

[DesignGeneral]

I'm working on something.

I'll be back shortly :)

[Bill & Dave]

Well, at risk of someone trying to re-do another designer's ideas (which is not really what we are looking for and raises some ethical issues) here is a concept we both kind of liked. We used the frame from one of Xjeria's designs (paid for), and inserted some content.

I will post another in a minute.
Dave

[Bill & Dave]

And one more.
Dave

[Bill & Dave]

And one more....

[Pawel]

That's a tough one I must say.
I'll submit another one soon, although I'm still not quite sure what you are looking for.
Thank you

[Bill & Dave]

Deplex,
As mentioned above - we are not sure what we are looking for either (beyond the descriptions we have posted). We do know what we are not looking for though.

Be wild! Be creative! Don't be afraid!

Dave

[Pawel]

Alright
Now that's motivating! :)
Thank you

[Pawel]

Am I, in any way getting closer ?

[DesignGeneral]

Here we go ;)

Feedback is appreciated.

Thanks

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[DesignGeneral]

wild color scheme :D

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[Bill & Dave]

Deplex:
Yes, you are getting closer to something that could actually work.

But I still would like to see what happens if you (and everyone else) go crazy and try something totally unorthodox. I know you are capable of it :P

Dave

[Bill & Dave]

DesignGeneral,

Not bad, but I would like you to go crazy too.

Think outside the box! Be daring! Surprise us!

Dave

[DesignGeneral]

B)

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[Pawel]

Here we go, less structured

[DesignGeneral]

;)

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[DesignGeneral]

Hi Dave,

Just wanted to let you know,... colors can be easy changed. If you want to see some light colors like in my 1st entry, just let me know.

Thanks

[JeremeDavid]

I basically dumped my whole first design. As you said, you're very specific about what you don't like, so I'll just let you comment. ;-)

[JeremeDavid]

You asked about a way to show that one diet is not for everyone. Maybe this is heading in that direction. If you like the idea, I will have to check on licensing for that photo.

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid - much better. What if you had food items (and maybe diet-type names like "high protein?" etc.) coming and going where the tomatoes are now (in flash)?

DesignGeneral - yes, your new colors are kind of heavy and unfriendly.

Deplex - Better, much better, but try incorporating the new information that is listed below.

EVERYONE - before we go any further, Bill & I talked things over and we have decided to narrow the options a bit. Hopefully this will actually give you designers more freedom to play and be creative. There are now fewer text requirements, so lets keep things as visually and textually as simple as possible. Here we go:

CONTEST RULES REDEFINED

Required ‘Home’ page text (shown in blue only to make them obvious):

Don’t be misled by the latest trends -- discover the perfect diet for your metabolism. (The main statement. Can be used in the header.)

Metabolism is what controls weight and overall health for everyone. (Explanatory statement. Should probably be in the body of the page, and could be used in line with the sentence below.)

Use our online questionnaire to determine exactly the right diet and supplements for your unique metabolic type. (Call to action. Should be used to get the viewer to click “the button”.)

“The button” can be labeled “Find out now!” or something similar (be creative).

Demystifying the Diet Debate (Use as a tagline only, perhaps under the domain name in small font. Should not be a focal point.)



Hope this has helped and not confused! We will provide the revised second page text once we get narrowed in on the Home page design.
Dave

[Pawel]

You guys :) Sudden change of hearts ?
It's all good, I'll have yet another entry soon
Thank you

[DesignGeneral]

Is this better?

On the right middle part can be flash with text and pictures fading. ;)

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[Pawel]

Fierce competition :)

[Bill & Dave]

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[/b][/quote]
More like a change of brains ;)
Dave

[Bill & Dave]

DesignGeneral -
The statement you used at the very bottom is the last thing the viewer scans to in your design. It should probably be the first thing that draws attention as it poses the proposition.

Make sense?
Dave

[JeremeDavid]

I'll be back with revisions later tonight or tomorrow.

[DesignGeneral]

DONE.

Anything else? :unsure:

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[DesignGeneral]

in browser. ;)

light background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/index2.html)

dark background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/)


I like the dark background it gives a nice look
B)

[DesignGeneral]

Hi Dave,

Let me know if you like better the top menu placed vertical like in my last entry or horizontal like in my 1st one.

Thanks

[Pawel]

There you have it guys, I'll post the flash slideshow in a few mins
I'm slowly running out of ideas :)

[Bill & Dave]

DesignGeneral -
I liked the horizontal one better. I also like the way the logo pops out. Can you do embossing or a drop shadow on the domain name and tagline so they pop out too?

Generally my eyes are having trouble figuring out where to focus on the rest of your design. Maybe it's the colors, or the fact that it is divided into 4 distinct quadrants. I'm just not sure. Something isn't working though. It's just kind of unsettling.

What do you have in your bag of ideas that has some flowing lines and is a little less brash?

Dave

[Bill & Dave]

Deplex - Don't forget to add the main statement: "Don’t be misled by the latest trends -- discover the perfect diet for your metabolism."

[DesignGeneral]

here we go ;)

light background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/index2.html)

dark background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/)

[Pawel]

Here it is with a mini flash slideshow, more slides can be added of course, just wanted to show you how it'd function.
As you can see there's a problem with one of the tables...
I didnt pay attention to that, quickie job.
http://www.deplexed.com/mto/mto_pre5.html

[Bill & Dave]

To all: We will be commenting soon, probably later tonight.

Also, (and this is important) we have learned that our website launch is being delayed by a few days. This means the contest will not end until next Wednesday night.

Let me bold that so everyone sees it -

THIS CONTEST IS BEING EXTENDED UNTIL WEDNESDAY NIGHT, MAY 19th.

Thank you!
Bill & Dave

[Carl]

Bill and Dave,

Here is my very first template entry ever. Be kind.

Carl...

Live Version Click Here (http://www.motiongraphicscreative.com/templates/metatype/sample1.html)

[Nemeliza]

Im going to have a try at this.

Im just going to go mad and see what I end up with..... =/

[Nemeliza]

Heres an attempt

[Carl]

BIll and Dave,

Here is a version without the bevel effect.

Carl...

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-deplex+May 15 2004, 04:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (deplex @ May 15 2004, 04:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There you have it guys, I'll post the flash slideshow in a few mins
I'm slowly running out of ideas :) [/b][/quote]
Deplex,

We think your overall design has possibilites but there are a number of specific comments.

1. We have shown the design to a number of people and interestingly the consensus was that although there is a nice use of color, the colors appeared "washed-out" and "drab." We tend to agree. Would it be possible to make them a little "richer" or with higher contrast ?

2. There is an overuse of the word "NOW." It appears in "Find Out Now," "Discover your perfect diet right now," "Take our test now."

3. Placing the navigation bar on the side could be problematic in subsequent pages in that it would take up space better used for text. Could you possibly move it to the bottom in a horizontal layout?

4. A similar problem exists for the use of the book placement. Would it not be better to have its reference in the navigation bar ? -- If not instead of where it is, then at least include it in the navigation bar. On other pages, the book reference where it is now would be dropped out.

5. In the "Don't be misled..." line, there needs to be dashes after the word "trends." Also, the emphasis should not be on "discover" but on "your unique metabolic type."

Thank you very much for your design.

Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-DesignGeneral+May 15 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DesignGeneral @ May 15 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> here we go ;)

light background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/index2.html)

dark background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/) [/b][/quote]
DesignGeneral,

Thank you for your latest. There are some very good elements here:

1. Nice, rich, sharp contrast color

2. Uncluttered design

3. Laser focus on the message text

All these factors are important, we think.

Some issues:

1. There is some text missing from the body message --
You did include:
"Use our online questionnaire to determine exactly the right diet and supplements for your unique metabolic type."
But you're missing the important preface to that text, which is:
"Metabolism is what controls weight and overall health for everyone.

2. We really like the large, sharp image and the way it is presented. But, unfortunately, don't think that by itself or as it is communicates the essence of our message, namely -- that different people (metabolic types) require different foods/diets in order to healthy, fit, etc. Do you have any ideas how to graphically convey this idea? Perhaps a flash series of equally stunning pictures as the apple of other foods or meals. Or perhaps an inclusion of different people or images reflecting different body types (sizes, shapes, weights, etc.) along with the foods?

3. We would really love to end up with a very elegant design from top to bottom. This one has potential but is not quite there in our opinion.
- The logo and tag line portion are good. But could it use a little depth/3D effect ?
- The way the "Don't be misled" potion is presented just doesn't seem to quite work for us.
- Not sure if the fonts used in the navigation components are quite right. We are looking for a rich, elegant, beautiful feeling from the design impact of all the elements

Thank you so much for your entry.

Bill & Dave

[DesignGeneral]

Thanks for feedback.

I'll be back :)

[JeremeDavid]

Here are some changes from me to incorporate the new required phrases.

[dziner]

Here is one from me. I will be happy to make adjustments/additions.

Shelly


<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[DesignGeneral]

Is this better?

light background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/index2.html)

dark background (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/)

Where the apple image is will be a cool flash with images and text.

Let me know if you want to see other changes.

Thanks B)

[DesignGeneral]

Another fruit ;)

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[DesignGeneral]

:rolleyes:

All those fruit images and some text will be in flash.

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[Pawel]

Yea you were right about the colors, they were too dull I followed the ones from the layouts you've posted (thought I was restricted to using those). Anyways I've changed the colors, by such alternation the layout has liven up a great deal, I've also moved the navigation bar to the bottom of the page and alligned it horizontally. I've modified the body text and issues involved with it before.
Hit me with whatever suggestions/opinions you might have , I know you will :D
As you can see by removing some elements, I've gotten a blank spot under the testimonial text, if you have any ideas what I should put in there please let me know.
This will be all for now.
Thank you

[edit] Correction, in the blank spot I'll put the "which diet is really right for you" and a little "take our test" button

[Nemeliza]

Any comments on my entry?

[Anne]

Here is a new one from me

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-cadii+May 15 2004, 11:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cadii @ May 15 2004, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bill and Dave,

Here is my very first template entry ever.&nbsp; Be kind.

Carl...

Live Version Click Here (http://www.motiongraphicscreative.com/templates/metatype/sample1.html) [/b][/quote]
Cadii / Carl,

congratulations on a great first attempt.

we definitely prefer the non-beveled design. we both think you have an excellent use of color. not too strong. not too weak. great blending of colors. and excellent use of color for emphasis where you want it.

there are a few things we would like to see addressed, please. a lot of the consideration of the design as is has to do with the question: what would the subsequent pages look like? on the 2nd page, for example, where is the room for the text ?

- in light of this, the location of the logo/header info may be a problem. ditto for the book. for this reason, the book may need to be included in the footer navigation bar. if the book also stays as a graphic in the message area, it should probably not be so close to the very nice Find Out Now button. the tendency is for a reader to link the two together which is confusing.

- the navigation column vertical on the left should probably go horizontal across the top somewhere.

- you did a good job in getting all the required text on the page. however, we think that it "lacks coherence." in other words, the reader feels a little scattered and does not know where to read 1st, 2nd, etc. the reader is not directed by the design to follow an information pathway to the desired conclusion, namely, to click through to learn more and take the metabolic typing test.

- finally, we don't think the tape measure idea works. it is not clear how it links to the rest of the design or text. our guess is that you were linking it to weight. however, weight is just one aspect that metabolic typing addresses. the real essence of our message is that in order to be healthy, fit, reverse disease, prevent disease, etc., different people (metabolic types) need different diets. yes, one will lose weight and normalize weight for life with this approach, but that is just one aspect.

although we listed a lot of comments, we want to reiterate that this is an excellent use of the all important color scheme in terms of complementary colors, emphasis, contrast and richness.

thank you very much.

Bill & Dave

[Pawel]

Here's the promised one with that one blank spot being occupied by the "take our test" section.
Thank you

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-Nemeliza+May 16 2004, 08:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nemeliza @ May 16 2004, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heres an attempt [/b][/quote]
Nemeliza,

thank you very much for your entry.

we really appreciate and encourage everyone to think outside the box. metabolic typing and its message are totally unique and has the potential to revolutionize diet, health, nutrition and medicine. so we need that uniqueness to come through in the design.

- unfortunately, we think this design is a little too busy. this causes it to seem somewhat unfocused. there does not seem to be a clear pathway for the reader to follow, conclduing in the desired course of action -- to click through to more info and take the metabolic typing test.

- also, although the pineapple picture is amazing on its own, we are confused by the (non)message it conveys. in other words, aside from the fact that this site deals with food and pineapple is a food, how does it work to convey our message about metabolic typing ?

- the emphasis on the book is too strong. yes, we want people to know about the book and even purchase it, but the real goal of the site is to take the metabolic typing test.

please don't give up. thank you again for your entry.

Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-JeremeDavid+May 16 2004, 10:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JeremeDavid @ May 16 2004, 10:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here are some changes from me to incorporate the new required phrases. [/b][/quote]
JeremeDavid,

thank you for hanging in there with us and coming back for more! we really do appreciate your interest and your submissions. that said, we're having some problems with the deisgn. we hope these specific comments will help:

- "Metabolic Typing Online" seems too large and may need to be more closely associated with the logo, the "Don't be misled" seems too small relative to the "Metabolic Typing Online", plus it may need a little more emphasis somehow.

-navigation bars placements are good. the book in the footer sems too large.

- somehow, the orange bar just doesn't work. it seems to "bury" the text whereby the emphasis is on the color instead of teh text.

- the "Find Out Now" button -- the most important element on the page, seems lost in the orange bar.

- the test that reads, "Metabolism is what..." is a preface to the "Use our online..." statement. in other words, in order to get the "Use our online" statement, the statement about metabolism is necessary. so, to separate them with color may work against the intention(?)

- finally (as if that wasn't enough!), we're not sure the tomatoes work. could you please explain a little more about what you had in mind? were they going to be flash, fading in and out alternately and ditto for the messages? were you thinking of just tomatoes, or were you intending all different kinds of foods?

please don't give up on this one...

thank you.
Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-dziner+May 16 2004, 11:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dziner @ May 16 2004, 11:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here is one from me.* I will be happy to make adjustments/additions.

Shelly


<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> [/b][/quote]
dziner,

thank you for you creative, strong entry. we think it has great potential and hope you'll work with us to try some changes. very interesting design, both in the pictures and the graphic use of text. here are some comments:

- first, nice use of the logo and title

- nice use of text in terms of the flow from top to bottom. nice pathway. easy to follow.

- one concern is the look of subsequent pages. with the (very nice) footer navigation bar PLUS the additional bar/line for the book, not a whole lot of space will be available for text. how would you handle that on additional pages?

- the "Demystifying the Diet Database" should read "Debate" -- not "Database." also, its placement as well as the color scheme of it makes it appear to be part of the flow from top to bottom. but it really is not related to the text message but is the tag line. as such, it seems like it should go somewhere else or otherwise be distinguished. maybe try it in smaller text in the header at the top right or in the footer at the lower right. one of the domian names will have to go then, but that's ok.

- as stated above, there is a very nice flow to the page involving the text message. however, the most important element, the action button Find Out Now, seems unconnected to the flow. is there a way to make it seem like the natural next step following the text message ?

- finally, as you will have gathered if you're read any of our other comments, metabolic typing is all about the reality of different people needing different diets in order to be healthy and fit. we really love your choice of foods on the plate and the way it is presented. however, to support our message, we really would likely need different foods or meals appearing and disappearing on the plate. can this be done with flash ?

thanks again for a really excellent, creative entry. it has great potential. please don't let our comments dissuade you. this is a strong entry.

Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-Anne+May 16 2004, 03:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anne @ May 16 2004, 03:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here is a new one from me [/b][/quote]
hi Anne,

welcome back. we're so glad you submitted another entry.

unfortunately, we think you may have missed an update posted in page 3 to
the contest rules. here's a recap:

----------------
CONTEST RULES REDEFINED

Required 'Home' page text:

Demystifying the Diet Debate (Use as a tagline only, perhaps under the
domain name in small font. Should not be a focal point.)

Don't be misled by the latest trends -- discover the perfect diet for your
metabolism. (The main statement. Can be used in the
header.)

Metabolism is what controls weight and overall health for everyone.
(Explanatory statement. Should probably be in the body of the page, and
should be used in conjunction with the sentence below.)

Use our online questionnaire to determine exactly the right diet and
supplements for your unique metabolic type. (Call to action.
Should be used to get the viewer to click "the button".)

"The button" can be labeled "Find out now!" or something similar (be
creative).
----------------

also, metabolic typing is not (just) a weight loss program. weight loss is
just a "side-effect" of eating right for your metabolic type. different
people need different diets in order to be healthy and fit. one's food is
another's poison.

thank you again.
Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-deplex+May 16 2004, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (deplex @ May 16 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Here's the promised one with that one blank spot being occupied by the "take our test" section.
Thank you [/b][/quote]
deplex,

sincere thanks for your updates. we thought your design had real potential,
right from the beginning. and still do. however, we don't know who will be
more frustrated -- you for your many attempts to patiently address our
input, or we for our seeming inability to clearly identify the problems we
have with it.

we like your design. yet, there is still something that's just not quite
right. if you would be generous enough to try another iteration or two,
we'll try to figure out "what's wrong." so here goes ...

- we like the navigation bars at the top and bottom

- you did a good job laying out the text. but even though it is simple and
easy to follow, the page as a whole seems too "busy." we think it might be
too much use of orange. perhaps orange should only appear:
___in the title, "Metabolic Typing Online" like you have it ___where you
have it in ".perfect diet for your metabolism"
___in the curved orange arrow.
could you find some other way to emphasize the other text that you currently
have in orange?

- also the bright orange in the footer navigation bar adds again too much
orange. it is so bright, it really emphasizes the bar, but there is really
no need to focus attention there. we don't think the light blue works there
either

- you currently have 2 buttons that are redundant. specifically, the Find
Out Now and the Take Our Test. perhaps you should delete the Take Our Test
button. then move the phrase "Which Diet Is Really Right For You" near the
"Find Out Now" button and the "Discover your perfect diet today" phrase

- now the hardest - the colors. your changes definitely brought more
contrast. but somehow it's still not right for us. in some ways, we may even
like the overall effect of the previous "drab" version a little better,
which is really odd. it was drab, we think, but somehow the colors seemed to
work better. for an example of how we think colors really work well
together, please see the design by Cadii on page 5 at
http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?showt...opic=4140&st=60 (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/?showtopic=4140&st=60). although we have
problems with the element placements, we do think there is good use of color
there - somewhat bright, cheery, pleasing, and good use of color for
emphasis.
not being designers or artists, we are at a loss as to more specificity.

thank you again for your entry. it definitely still has potential.

Bill & Dave

[DesignGeneral]

Any feedback for me? :unsure:

[Bill & Dave]

<!--QuoteBegin-DesignGeneral+May 17 2004, 03:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DesignGeneral @ May 17 2004, 03:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Any feedback for me? :unsure: [/b][/quote]
DesignGeneral,

We apologize for not posting sooner. You were not overlooked. We've just been stumped concerning how to respond. We are just not sure what to say.

You have delivered a galant effort, but for some reason the design is not doing what we need it to do. The problem is: we just can't identify exactly what the problem is. What we said before, that it is a clean design and focuses the reader still stands. But ... ?

Would you be offended if we requested that you start from scratch?

We would not blame you if you decided not to continue, but we have seen some of your other work and know you have what we want in you.

This design just got off on the wrong foot for our intended purpose, and we don't seem to be able to tell exactly what that missing thing is.

There just MUST be a way to creatively communicate our message --
- Metabolic typing is absolutely unique. There is nothing else like it out there
- It is NOT just another one size fits all diet -- it's the opposite. Unlike Atkins, Ornish, McDougall, South Beach Diet, Zone Diet, etc., Metabolic Typing says that the only right diet is the one that meets each person's unique genetic requirements
- What works for one person can actually make another person with teh same problem (weight, arthritis, allergies, etc.,) worse
- Different people. Different diets. Different foods. Different results.

We _sincerely_ appreciate your efforts and hope you'll return.

Bill & Dave

[JeremeDavid]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bill & Dave+May 16 2004, 06:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bill & Dave @ May 16 2004, 06:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> we're having some problems with the deisgn. [/b][/quote]
When you say that, I dump the whole design. ;-)

You said to try something outside the box. How's this? Even if you don't like it, you can't say you've seen something similar in this contest. ;-) It reads well from left to right and the action button is very clear.

You asked what I was going to do with the tomatoes. I'd rather not use flash. Perhaps another image? Or, I might add a couple of smaller images in circles.

[Pawel]

Well I dont know.. here's with the revisions, but to tell you the truth, I'm really confused at this point as to what you need :)Like I said, this one was going to be a "toughy"
Thank you

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid,

Congratulations! We love to see something totally new and different. Very creative. It is also simple, direct, has a clear flow, and one clear purpose for the reader -- to click through for more info and to access the questionnaire. Great.

Please tell us more about the design. Are you saying that you see it as being totally static? No flash or animated gifs?

We can understand why you might not want to do that. However, how would a shot of the tomatoes, or any other food, or any food dish for that matter, adequately convey our central theme that different people need different foods, different supplements, different diets in order to be healthy, energetic, fit, and normalize their weight ?

A technical detail: On our screen, we can barely see or make out the background text in the first circle -- low calorie? low fat? etc. Could those flash in and out randomly? That might be a nice effect.

Can you try inserting a much smaller image of the book (showing more of the book)? It is visually not completely clear what it is without actually reading that it is a book.

Also, the tag line -- Demystifying the Diet Debate -- is missing.

We like it! Clearly in the running. Go dude.

Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

Deplex,
The colors look better now.

Please let us ponder all the designs posted so far and figure out what works and does not, and why.

We will be back soon!
Bill & Dave

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
I think I got all the changes you wanted to see. The flash is not perfect, just a quick fade in/out... but can be fine tuned if it were to be picked and moved to final revisions. I will be happy to make any other changes or additions, just let me know. Thanks!

Shelly

Revised draft (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web1.htm)

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly,
I am very pleased with your revisions. You are in the running for sure!

A couple tweaks I would like to see:
Can you show more of the book but still keep it small?

Do you have more food images? We have lots of them that might work well too. We will want some meat and probably cheese to catch the attention of the Atkins folks. We can explore this later in more depth...

There are few few other minor issues I see, but Bill's power is out tonight and I don't want to say too much more until he is back online.

Great work!

Dave

[JeremeDavid]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bill & Dave+May 17 2004, 09:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bill & Dave @ May 17 2004, 09:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We can understand why you might not want to do that. [/b][/quote]
Since you are liking the design, I will break on the flash tomorrow. I'm a bit rusty with it, but I'll see what I can whip up. :-)

I'll fix the tagline and book as well.

Could you zip and and post some of the food images you have? That would be good.

Thanks.

Jereme

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid (and all other designers):

IMO the best place to find great food shots is at www.foodpix.com. Just grab comps and if you win we will buy the images.

Dave

[Zoe]

I have tried to come up with something a little different. My idea behind this design is to guide the visitor to take the test without distracting them with too many other options.

<img src='http://www.demexdesign.com/DO/mt_layoutv1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Nemeliza]

Nice work demex.
Like how you put the book in her pocket, nice touch! :)

[Zoe]

thanks. :)

[Bill & Dave]

Dziner (Shelly):

A couple more items after checking in with Bill:

As an experiment we would like to see the main background using some color, maybe try the blue/green that is used around the logo or a lighter shade of blue/green like the one used in the banner.

The top navigation bar is too crammed. Can you add another bar across the bottom and move the last four links on the top bar to there?

Please also see our previous comments.

Great design!

Bill & Dave

[Bill & Dave]

Zoe:
A good start!

Question - What will happen with the person and the header on subsequent webpages?

I think we need older people too. These do not quite inspire confidence, and are likely not the age of our target audience (middle aged most likely).

Very inspired design! We like that :)

Bill & Dave

[JeremeDavid]

Here is the revised version with requested changes. If you want other images for the flash area, let me know.

http://www.photoshoptutorials.org/samples/.../mto_index.html (http://www.photoshoptutorials.org/samples/mto/mto_index.html)

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid:

Closer and closer....

Here are some adjustments to try -

- No circles around the flash food items as it makes it too hard to tell what they are. Just plain food items, and it is best to use primary foods like: a steak, a block of cheese, a loaf of bread, some fruit, some veggies, some eggs, etc. If you win we can finalize which image to use, so just use whatever for now.

- Also, we now think the names of the diet types should not be in the first text cirle as that couses too much eye movement fromt he foods to the circle. Maybe display the diet type names across the flash food items as in DesigGeneral's example from page 4 - http://www.deplexed.com/mto/mto_pre5.html (whoops - I think she just removed it).

- Please just show one book in the bottom left corner. The size is fine - good adjustment (thank you).

- The tagline is too big and not in the best place. Try this: Move "Metabolic Typing Online" up a little and place "Demystifying the Diet Debate" below it in small orange text.

- And one more tweak - can you move the smaller left text circle up closer to the logo circle, and the center text circle down a bit? This will allow more room around the food items, and create a more natural eye movement from text circle to text circle. They should not be lined up, but in a slight "Z" configuration if possible.

- What would you think of adding drop shadows or some kind of embossing to the buttons so they are a bit more 3-D?

Thanks for putting up with us, but you get extra attention as you are tied as one of the favorites ;) (there are three right now).

Bill & Dave

[JeremeDavid]

Thanks for the feedback. :-) I will post the revisions later this evening/tonight. It will take a while to alter the graphic elements and flash.

[Zoe]

Thanks for the feedback.

I was trying to look for someone older but didn't quite find the right picture last night. I will see what I can find today.

The design for the inside would be different. I only see this design as a way to get the visitor interested and through the door. :)

[Bill & Dave]

Zoe:

Wouldn't the inside pages then require a completely different header? How would you do that?

Bill & Dave

[JeremeDavid]

Here are the revisions. I made changes to all the things you asked for.

http://www.photoshoptutorials.org/samples/.../mto_index.html (http://www.photoshoptutorials.org/samples/mto/mto_index.html)

The pictures are just samples of course. We can suss out more appropriate images and match them with the right phrases later on.

[DesignGeneral]

I'm working on something.

I'll be back :)

[Bill & Dave]

JeremeDavid:

Excellent!

Now one final request: Can you try using round-cornered rectangular boxes instead of the three green circles? Your design is fantastic, but it is also just a tad "futuristic" for our audience. We think making those three circles into rectangles may tone that aspect down just enough.

Sorry to work you so hard!

Bill &Dave

[Anne]

Here is a new one from me

[Bill & Dave]

Anne:

I see you are back with a vengence! Nice new approach. Much better!

Bill is on the road until late Wednesday. I will try to add some more comments tomorrow morning after I speak with him.

Our contest ends tomorrow evening and I will be sure to give you any required changes we would like well before then.

Thank you for your extra effort!
Dave

[Zoe]

Here are a few changes...

<img src='http://www.demexdesign.com/DO/mt_layoutv2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

As for the inside page, if you are interested in this idea you may like to work further with me on the design that I created for your last competition for the inside pages of this site. :)

[Zoe]

Different doctor...

<img src='http://www.demexdesign.com/DO/mt_layoutv3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[JeremeDavid]

I'll try to get the changes in this afternoon when I get home.

[Bill & Dave]

Zoe:

I think you are missing our point. When the viewer goes from the Home page to another page, what happens to the header you have designed? Does the right end of it just hang in space?

It is not practical to have a different header for another page, so we are a little confused by what you have entered.

Please let us know what your thoughts are about this.

Thank you
Bill & Dave

[Zoe]

OK the way I have designed this design is that you would have two designs. Think of this design as a splash page to get the visitor interested in your product. It is more of an advertisement than a main site design.

The whole idea is simply to get them thinking, interested and then wanting to know more. When they click the button they will then be taken to the "main" site where there will be a new design outlining all of the details etc...

[Bill & Dave]

Zoe:

What would that next page look like?

Thanks,
Bill & Dave

[DesignGeneral]

Here is my new entry ;)

On the right side will be flash, the images can be easy changed to match your preferences. We can show different food, different people with keywords fading in and out.

Let me know what do you think.

Thanks

*removed

[JeremeDavid]

Hi Bill and Dave. Here is my basic design with rounded boxes instead of circles. It would still be rounded off at the corners of the design along with the other frills.

The circles are many times better in my opinion. You said that metabolic typing is like nothing else out there. Maybe a little "futuristic" is not a bad thing. ;-)

I won't have time to make other updates or flash alterations tonight. If my design is selected, we can work on other shapes instead of circles and other tweaks.

Good luck to everyone else who has entered. There have been many great design efforts.

[Bill & Dave]

DesignGeneral & JeremeDavid:

Thank you! We are waiting on Dziner to submit her final revisions (or maybe she dropped out?). Then we will review all the entries sometime late tonight and announce the winner tomorrow morning.

NOTE: The contest is still open until 8:00 pm or so tonight.

You have all done a fantastic job and because we now have a three way tie, you have made out lives temporarily awful. Congratulations.

Seriously though, thank you for your great talent and effort.

Check in tomorrow for the winner!

Bill & Dave

[Zoe]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bill & Dave+May 19 2004, 04:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bill & Dave @ May 19 2004, 04:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Zoe:

What would that next page look like?

Thanks,
Bill & Dave [/b][/quote]
I was considering working more on the design from the FoodPharmacy contest. Would make any necessary changes that you would request. :)

Though I would only have time to do this if you decided you liked to go ahead with the splash page idea. :)

[Bill & Dave]

Zoe:

We gotcha. Hang tight. Let's see what the evening brings.

We will be back later!

Bill & Dave

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
I am sorry, I am just now seeing the post for changes. I will do them now and hope it is not too late.

Shelly

[dziner]

Ok, I made most of the changes.. but didn't get to more pictures of food. I figured that you were already waiting on me! The link is below. Good luck everyone, there have been some great entries on this one.

Shelly


Revised Layout (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web1.htm)

[Bill & Dave]

BRUTAL COMPETITION!!!

A terrible tie for first place too. Yikes!

Bill is on the road, but Thursday morning we will announce the winner.

Fantastic designs by all. We thank everyone.

This is the coolest forum - we have already turned a bunch of others on to it.

Dave (awaiting Bill's vote)

[DesignGeneral]

Here is with a quick flash B) (pictures and wording can be changed to match your preferences)

I made the wording to come to the find out button, this way we drive the users to click it ;)

Enjoy! (http://www.designgeneral.com/DO/metabolictyping/)

[Bill & Dave]

The winning design is from Dziner (Shelly).

It was so, so close between first and second place.

Beautiful and creative designs were submitted by all.

Thank you for competing, taking the risk with your valuable time, and showing us your talents.

We will now move to the Revisions Forum.

Bill & Dave

[Anne]

Congratulation Shelly :tup:

[dziner]

Thank you Bill & Dave! I am ready when you are to start revisions. This was a great contest and some awesome designs !



Shelly


Thanks Anne! ;)

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly:

Alrighty then! Here we go...

1. Try increasing the size of the logo cirlce about 10 - 15%

2. The logo text may then need to be increased a bit too (?)

3. Make the book image smaller (so that three corners of it are showing) and only show one book so it does not look like a stack of pamphlets.

4. Some experimentation with the "Find out Now" button may help it to be more obvious (without being obnoxious).

5. We preferred the look and basic layout of the main body text in your earliest version. Can you experiment with using it again in the latest design please?

6. The new color bar behind the text is good in concept, but the color is to "heavy". Can you experiment with that too please?

7. Don't worry about the flash contents for now. I am putting to gether the images we would like you to use. Hopefully we wil just have a plate that various foods will appear and disappear on.

8. The banner ad across the very bottom should only be displayed on the Home page. What do you see happening in that space on supsequent pages? Maybe the nav buttons should go along the bottom instead?

9. The gray tones and blues you are using are excellent. Please retain those colors in your design changes. Keep the "doc" too.

That's quite a bit, but hopefully it will go quickly, and we can start fine-tuning.

Thanks!
Dave (for Bill & Dave)

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
Instructions received! It may be tomorrow a.m. before I am able to post the revisions. Thanks!
Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

Okee Dokee
B&D

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
I took the time to create a possibility for the interior page layout ... especially since there was a question regarding the bottom of the page and the navigation. I thought this would be more efficient than getting to the interior page and having to come back and change the home.

Below are three links, the first has the revisions made, the second changes the look of the navigation bars and the third is the interior layout.

I look forward to your comments.
Shelly


1) Revisions (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web1.htm)

2) Revisions - navigation change (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/web2.htm)

3) Interior Page (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/interior1.htm)

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly,

Let us study these quickly and get back to you.

B & D

[Bill & Dave]

Hi Shelly,

The background color looks great, as do all the colors.

The 3-D buttons look the best.

The book is now perfect.

The logo is now perfect.

Please try using the orange from the book cover as a contrasting highlight for emphasis elsewhere in the design (perhaps for key words, or the tagline, or on the cartoon questionnaire over the button?). This may not work but we'd like to see it attempted.

The banner w/plate on page two won't work as it eats up too much room (the questionnaire (which actually starts on page 4) is very long and takes up all available space for many pages).

Also on page 2 only the "metabolictyping.com" in the bottom right corner needs to move to just below the "Professional Education" button.

I will give you content for page two once we get the look right. It will contain some simple images, and they may require some Photoshop fabrication or manipulation from you.

I will have some flash fod images for you soon. I think we want to have the food items showing up on a stationary plate. Do you have a plate photo that is viewed at an angle (as opposed to from straight above) that can be inserted there?

Thanks! Looking great and we are happy!
Dave

[dziner]

The banner w/plate on page two won't work as it eats up too much room (the questionnaire (which actually starts on page 4)&nbsp; is very long and takes up all available space for many pages).&nbsp;


Does this mean the placemat/plate on the current interior page layout? If so, do you want that graphic row shortened some or just eliminate it all together?

Do you have a plate photo that is viewed at an angle (as opposed to from straight above) that can be inserted there?

I will look, but I don't think I have a picture of just a plate.

Shelly

[dziner]

I took a shot and shortened the image on the interior page layout. (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/interior1.htm) (and of course the bottom bar will adjust to the length of the content on every page.


Let me know.
Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

Hi Shelly,
Though it looks great, the graphic row (with plate and place mat) should be eliminated altogether to maximize available space for 800 x 600 systems trying to see the whole questionnaire Wizard pages.

I have some plate shots that will work and will send them to you. I'm now searching for food items shot at the same angle and perspective at the plate. some luck, but not enough yet.

Dave

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly,
While I deal with getting the FLA photos together let's start on page two.
Here is the text:

Discover the right diet for your metabolism
You have probably tried numerous diets with less than spectacular results. Don’t blame yourself. Don’t blame the diet. The truth is that no one diet is right for every person.

That’s because the right solution for you – the only solution that will produce miraculous results – must be based on your unique metabolism.

Metabolic Typing demystifies the diet debate
Metabolic Typing is revolutionizing nutritional science. It’s the only system that creates customized nutritional programs based on your unique biochemical and genetic make-up.

Simply put, your metabolic type defines the way in which your body reacts to nutrients. Different metabolic types react differently to the same nutrients. That’s why food that makes another person healthy and trim might make you unhealthy and overweight.

With metabolic typing, you will effortlessly reach your ideal weight and naturally reverse degenerative conditions without cravings and constant hunger, and without counting calories or weighing food. Finally, you can follow a nutritional program that will help you get well and stay well for life.

Unleash your full potential with Metabolic Typing Online
and experience the power of right nutrition!

If you can find a creative way of presenting the above text - well, that is what we are hoping for.

Bill & Dave

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
I found these images on Ablestock.com. I am not sure how much they ones on foodpix are... but there were several more of these types of images on ablestock.com. I did a search on "plate"

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/muffins.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/6.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/7.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/8.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[dziner]

Page 2 (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page2.htm)

[Bill & Dave]

Hi Shelly,

Thanks for searching for photos. Able.com has shots with the layout and perspective I am looking for, but unfortunately they do not have the foods we need.

I'm afraid to get it the way I want it may require taking our own photos. We need foods appearing on the plate that represent the current popular diets (with the name of the representative diet followed by a question mark appearing over each food item). So, that means we need: a big steak (low carb?), greens & fruits (vegetarian?), pasta with maybe a greek salad and olives, (mediterranean?), brown rice & veggies (macrobiotic?), a few peas on a plate - as a humorous touch (low calorie?), a piece of cake (intuitive eating?), and maybe even some raw chicken and/or fish (raw foods?).

For right now we can stick with the flash example you already used unless Bill objects. We can return to this issue later as an add-on if that’s ok with you.

General comments on the overall site design:
Just so you understand the flow (which I failed to explain fully earlier – sorry), page two is to get the viewer on to page three (of course). So, another ‘Find Out’ button will also be needed on page two. In retrospect, that means the name of the two buttons of the first page should probably be changed to ‘Find Out More”. The “Find Out Now” button with the checklist on it would then be ideal for page three.

On page three we will be showing what the viewer will get if they chose to pay $39.95 and use our questionnaire. It will show a report (probably 6 pages fanned out), and a few bottles of supplements (with our label on them), and text describing what is offered. Page four is the actual questionnaire.

Specific page 2 comments:
So, in addition to the page two text we will also need a ‘Find Out More’ button with some sort of visual enticement for them to click it again.

I think increasing the font size a point or two may be better. Many of our customers have not-so-good eyesight.

I don‘t think using the orange text is a good idea yet. Let’s see how it works on the first page before utilizing it elsewhere.

After seeing the layout of page two, I think we will need a stationary image in the same location that the flash is on page one. I will discuss with Bill what we want to use, but for now I am thinking we could show the standard food pyramid with the universal red “circle and slash” sign for “no” over it.
Here is a great photo of the food pyramid you can use:http://lowfatlifestyle.com/randomimage/pyramid.jpg

From a design perspective, do you think page two should show the lower banner? I know we need for it to go away on the questionnaire page, but perhaps it should remain on page two, and maybe even page three. What is your opinion?

Thank you, and we await your comments!

Dave (and Bill - who is in Texas right now, but checking in as he can).

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly:

Please use a big "?" across the food pyramid instead of the circle/slash.

Thanks,
Dave

[dziner]

Wow you are fast. I must've just uploaded the page two w/ graphic on it... was coming to DO to tell you. Also to make sure, the latest version of the home page is here: home page (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page1.htm)

Not sure where to go from here. I will generate a blank page for you to use if needed as well.

I do think you should leave the bottom bar on pages other than the questionaire. You could leave on there as well and it would be there for visitors viewing at the higher resolution, which is a pretty large percentage these days. (just a thought)

Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

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Shelly,

Did you get the pyramid .jpeg?

Creating page two with that image (and a question mark on it) and following the suggestions I made in the previous message (above) is the next step.

I am replying as quickly as possible because (as mentioned before) we are in a rush and have a deadline. Hopefully you will check for our replies more frequently ;)

Thank you.

Dave

[dziner]

I am sorry, I must be missing something... or you are not seeing the most current version of the page. I did use the graphic you wanted for the pyramid, you should be able to reload the page to get new one. I had previously removed the orange text and made the buttons read: (home page) find out more, and second page find out more. then on the third page will be the find out now button.

For flash, I know I have to clean out temporary internet files and history in order to get the newest version.

So, I am not sure what suggestions I am missing. You asked what I thought about the bottom bar... did you want me to go ahead and remove it?
I am sure you figured this out... but in case not, the find out more button from home page is active to page two. (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page2.htm)


Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly,

Yup. It was my temp files that threw me off. Sorry..

So, it is looking great to me! Do you think the pyramid on page two seems to work well?

With just a couple last tweaks we should be there, in my opinion. Bill will need to sign off too, and he will be available late on Tuesday for final comments.

The bottom banner should remain on page two (and on page three) but go away when the user gets to page four, so please stick it back in.

I think the button with the questionnaire on it should be saved for the third page (which we would like to hire you separate from the forum to work on, if that's OK). Instead, please use the more conventional button without the checklist on it. It may need a little "help" to make the user more apt to hit it. That is where I thought a touch of color or an accent of some kind would help, but I may be wrong.

The text where the greeking is on the Home page lower banner we can figure out later, so that's ok for now.

The flash will be a separate issue now too. What you have is a good place holder until I can get to you the photos we want you to use.

As I said, Bill will be available late tomorrow, so I will let him finalize the contest design with you. I will be in unavailable for one day starting tomorrow afternoon.

Thank you for the beautiful design, and I look forward to expanding this project with you outside of the forum. Please let Bill and I know that plan works for you.

Dave

[dziner]

B&D,
The project expansion sounds great. I am going to change the buttons as you wanted now. Also, you asked about the pyramid, I don't know if you saw the one I did or not. (before the one that is in place now) I put that version here. (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page2-b.htm) (I like this one better I think, goes with the flow of the page more?)

The pages below are blank for now.
page 3 (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page3.htm)

page 4 (http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/page4.htm)

Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

Shelly,
I like the photographed pyramid better. In the cartoon one it is unclear what the heck it is. Maybe you can make the page text conform to the photo pyramid, give it a border or a background or something like that to make it feel more "in place"?

Please put the banner with the tape measure, etc, back in the footer for page 2, but not on page 3.

You still need to remove the cartoon checklist from the button on page one.

More later if I get a chance.
Dave

[dziner]

B&D, I want to make sure that I am not missing anything and that you are not waiting on me for something =)

Shelly

[Bill & Dave]

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Shelly [/b][/quote]
hi Shelly,

David is on a trip, and I am just now back from one and will be working with you. let me start by offering my congratulations -- and thanks -- for your design!

could you please email me direct ( admin@healthexcel.com ) or list here the direct links/web addresses for the current pages you're working on ? I want to be sure I am viewing the right pages.

thank you.

best, Bill

[dziner]

Bill,
I am addressing the resolution issue here so that I can post two images and you can view them both at once. I will address the other questions/changes in email!

I designed this for the 800x600 resolution but it will also maintain it's look in any higher resolution as well... thus the white at the bottom making it a "column" going down the middle so that it doesn't look chopped off at a higher resolution.

Following are two images, the first being an 800x600 resolution. Please keep in mind that the extra small amount of space you see on the right/left is best to keep. Different browsers as well as mac computers all show pages differently and it always good to be safe as far as sideways scroll goes.

You will notice at bottom of 1024x765 resolution (bottom image) the white continues the flow to the bottom.

800x600
<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/thumb_800x600.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />


1024x765
<img src='http://www.yencreative.com/metabolic/thumb1024x765.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

[Bill & Dave]

Hi Shelly (and Bill),

I am in Austria for a week where email is a real challange.

Shelly, would you send me a .gif or .tiff file of the header that I could use as a letterhead? Either that or the fonts used and I can try to patch one together.

Looks like we are close!

Thank you,
Dave

[dziner]

Bill & Dave,
I am going to go back over to make sure I included everything, but tentatively the zip file is located HERE.[EDIT: Link removed.]

If you find that I missed something, please let me know.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you in the future!
Shelly