Reseller Program Started

[Palmer]

Beginning now, you may resell our design services to your clients. Are you a media company or a web developer? Would you like to offer your clients several designs to choose, from some of the worlds best designers? Stop by this page (http://www.designoutpost.com/resellers.htm) to sign up.

The way it works...
-A client contacts you for design work
-You prepay the prize money in advance
-Post your design contest in the resellers private forum
-Choose a winner and have them transfer the files
-Bill your client whatever you choose

[hotnuts21]

Can this be back dated :huh: I already sent some people here :P

[Palmer]

Lol... nope :)

[missingarrow]

Great Idea... I'll have to remember this option.

I noticed the minimuim amounts. Any chance this will be lowered in the future- or is business booming?

Keep it Real,
dan

[Palmer]

We're doing fine ;) I hadn't planned on lowering the minimums. Personally I think there's plenty of room to make a profit. If you do some research on what the large design houses and media companies charge for corporate branding and logo design, $100 is about 1/10 or less of what they get from clients.

Same goes for a nice design for their site, $250 is small potatoes :)

[ElKootcho]

Originally posted by Palmer@May 15 2003, 09:26 PM
If you do some research on what the large design houses and media companies charge for corporate branding and logo design, $100 is about 1/10 or less of what they get from clients.
I did some freelance work for a local (Los Angeles) design/printing place that was getting $2000-$3000 for local business logos. $100 is less than peanuts.

[hotnuts21]

Thats true for big business, but what about small business that use local and small developers to do there logos and design work?

Just wondering i gotta check out the prices again I have some work coming up, are all the designers using and accessing the private forum? I mean i dont want to join and find that i would get a better response from the normal forums :)

[hotnuts21]

I forgot to ask, are those prices inclusive of the DO %? If not that makes them $275 and $110minimum prices yeah?

[Palmer]

Yes, the 10% is added on top of the prize money. For the quality and quantity received, it's a great value.

[wishiwasgolfing]

Is the reseller concept still active? Is there a hidden forums somewhere for these transactions? Is there a separate set of designers? Is it very active? Also if active is there a general "portfolio" that an end reseller obtains to show potential clients?

Thanks for your time and assistance.
r

[Michael]

Is the reseller concept still active?

Yes very much so

Is there a hidden forums somewhere for these transactions?

Yes the Resellers forums are private, also the designers will not be allowed to display the work in their own folios unless the clients grants permission.

Is there a separate set of designers?

No

Is it very active?

What in the number of contests or designers participating?

Also if active is there a general "portfolio" that an end reseller obtains to show potential clients?

Not sure what you mean but there isn't a portfolio you obtain, only the winning design in your contest you will have rights to.

If you are serious about becoming a Reseller I could ask if one of the current Resellers to email you with there thoughts.


Thank you for the interest :)

Michael

[wishiwasgolfing]

Thank You 2square for the information.

re: portfolio. Many times while presenting to a client they will ask to see a portfolio of sites completed. I guess I was wondering since the designers at DesignOutpost would actually be doing the design is there a general portfolio available for the reseller? Just something the reseller can show the end client?

Thanks again for the information.
r

[hotnuts21]

As a reseller the portfolio I use to show clients, is just made up of past competition winners.

[Matt Ward]

as a reseller, my portfolio is made up of my designs and the DO designs. That is the beauty of it being transparent to your customer.

[wishiwasgolfing]

Thanks hotnuts21 & Mattman for the additional information. Would love to privately how you did the portfolio.

Thanks again,
r

[Matt Ward]

link removed for transparency...please pm me for further information.


site was done by palmer as a contest...

other sites in there were done here as well.


check this out today, I will remove link tomorrow.
Matt

[wishiwasgolfing]

Thank You.

Checking it out now.

r

[Michael]

Thank you Paul & Matt ;)

[hotnuts21]

Unfortunately I dont have a portfolio online at the mo, but that should change soon :)

[a-ToolBox]

Hi guys,
some newbie questions.
We are a Graphic design company that have have a "production bottleneck" so we really like to buy some design services from D.O. to help us out and hopefully expand our business.

Just have some small questions about the Reseller program;
a/
yes I would love to now how you also made your portfolio.
b/
I will not argue over "peanuts" but is it not strange that you should pay more as a reseller Logo $110 / $85.-* Website $275.- / $250.-*
* min guidline prices for running a contest
or is there something I am missing out on ?
c/
why is these resellers "contests" private ?
becuase the end user shall never know who is the source or ?

Best Regards
Nils

[Palmer]

a/ yes I would love to now how you also made your portfolio.
I'm not sure I understand this question. Can you clarify?
b/I will not argue over "peanuts" but is it not strange that you should pay more as a reseller Logo $110 / $85.-* Website $275.- / $250.-*
No, not at all. The resellers are making a profit from their clients, the designers should share in that profit. Most of the projects in the public forum are for individual businesses and are not making a profit from our service.
c/why is these resellers "contests" private ?
becuase the end user shall never know who is the source or ?
Yes, it is to keep the client from finding out how much the reseller paid for the product and where it was obtained. In addition, the designers are not to put the reseller designs in their portfolio without permission, so your client will not find their logo or template on a designers site at a later date.

[ElKootcho]

b/I will not argue over "peanuts" but is it not strange that you should pay more as a reseller Logo $110 / $85.-* Website $275.- / $250.-*

No, not at all. The resellers are making a profit from their clients, the designers should share in that profit. Most of the projects in the public forum are for individual businesses and are not making a profit from our service.

In addition, reseller project rules state that designers cannot use the designs in their portfolios. This is also done to obviously protect the reseller. As a result the designer loses the benefit of adding to their portfolio.

[a-ToolBox]

Thank you Elkotcho & Palmer

now I do understand the pricng and the private forum and think that is great. agree fully.

I am helping our Graphic Design company to get rid of the production bottleneck. and I am no programmer od deigner ( however maried to one ;), not working for us :( )

in this thread -Mattman writes-
as a reseller, my portfolio is made up of my designs and the DO designs. That is the beauty of it being transparent to your customer.

and later somebody ask how he did that, and I like to read that info as well,...( so I have a clue what we shall do ) not only the coders and designers.

Sure we will sign up to be a reseller, but we need to find out more on how we actually presents this-Reseller business- on our comming webiste ?

We will have a lot of projects to put here, as we will make new "sister companies" that will need corporate and other graphic design.


Best regards
Nils

[Palmer]

I believe he asked the designers individually for permission to use ther designs in his portfolio. I think in his portfolio he mentions that he has a team of designers and that he never takes credit for actually making the designs himself. Once you have become a reseller, your privleges will be changed, and you can contact him privately to discuss this.

[hotnuts21]

Also all the winning designs that you 'buy' you can feature in your portfolio.

[ElKootcho]

Also all the winning designs that you 'buy' you can feature in your portfolio.

Of course with any project that you have at DesignOutpost the final design you choose and pay for is yours, clearly they can go into your portfolio.

I believe he asked the designers individually for permission to use ther designs in his portfolio.

Regarding any other designs that you did not buy: you would indeed need to get permission from the designer before using them in any form, even as samples. Remember, the designers here on DO are all independant contractors, not employees. Therefore, per United States Copyright Law, all designs are legally owned by, and the copyright is held by, the creator. Which in this case is the designer.

[Matt Ward]

oh hey, didn't notice I got some pub here....

This reseller thing is great....just so you know it has grown my business TEN FOLD...I am really close to taking this to the next level thanks to DO.

Resellers are a part of just about every business. Private Label resellers are more rare. Depending on how you wish to run your business you could be either.

Letting your customers know that designers compete is strictly up to you. I don't tell them that designers compete, I tell them that we have a "TEAM OF DESIGNERS" that will provide top notch quality designs and that they can choose which one they like.

Managing this transparency can sometimes be difficult. I do not put a design into my (meaning the company) portfolio unless it is the winning design OR I have paid the designer to permit that. Paying to permit that is extremely rare and I have only ever done it once. The result of which is very clear in new contests that have recently been posted.

I once hesitated to open my reseller account, and I am kicking myself for that. The quality shows...my designs are not nearly as good as the team here.

Also remember that my business is full service and is based primarily on customer service. So for me the sale doens't end at deliver of the site. I usually maintain the site, and I ALWAYS am the host of the site.

My design skills lack behind my business knowledge and my coding knowledge as well as my ability to leverage the appropriate resources for a particular job.

I URGE YOU to join. If you do just a little advertising in your local area, you too can be provided with the TOOLS to make your business a huge sucess.

Good Luck.
Matt

[a-ToolBox]

------------quote----------
Letting your customers know that designers compete is strictly up to you. I don't tell them that designers compete, I tell them that we have a "TEAM OF DESIGNERS" that will provide top notch quality designs and that they can choose which one they like.
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thank you everybody for your kindness and taking your time to answer my questions.

I have had a "good feeling" about this place since I did see some very good work I.e. from Jereme David, and the "nice" tone from everybody.
this forum should all take credit for this, and do whatever to keep the good spirit alive. I also post on some other Web Designer forums, they definatey lack understanding and politeness. :tdown:

I will register as a reseller right now :tup:
and as soon as I can give a good project description we will post the contests.

Best Regards
Nils
ToolBox

[Matt Ward]

best of luck to you! :tup: welcome to the club!


oh, and feel free to use the QUOTE button so you don't have to put the ---- in.

[ElKootcho]

I have had a "good feeling" about this place since I did see some very good work I.e. from Jereme David, and the "nice" tone from everybody.
this forum should all take credit for this, and do whatever to keep the good spirit alive. I also post on some other Web Designer forums, they definatey lack understanding and politeness. 

One of the qualifications of being accepted to the design team is "professionalism". Palmer has set a high standard and it shows.

[a-ToolBox]

Thank you, I / We feel very welcome.
I forgot to write why I quouted below.
------------quote----------
Letting your customers know that designers compete is strictly up to you. I don't tell them that designers compete, I tell them that we have a "TEAM OF DESIGNERS" that will provide top notch quality designs and that they can choose which one they like.
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I would like to say....this is what I had in mind as well.

And further when I'm on a "winnning streak" with you guys.
I need to get some communication and feedback on how I have planned to run all of this.
In what forum shall I post ?

thank you again, and I will do whatever I can to make DO proud of having us as a reseller.
Best regards
Nils
ToolBox

[Matt Ward]

I need to get some communication and feedback on how I have planned to run all of this.
In what forum shall I post ?


take about 30 mins time to get familiar with the forum, you will soon realize which forum you should be posting in for your contests and questions.

[electric]

Hi Palmer.. I'm back! :D (I haven't yet even finished up the last contest.. lol. soon..)

Anyway, I have another client who needs some work, and I came here to see how things are going. I found this thread and it looks very interesting.

I'm trying to summarize the difference between the reseller forum and regular forum. Basically, the reseller forum is "hidden" from the public and is not indexed in the seach engines.

Is this correct? Other then that, everything else is the same as the regular contest forums, right?

[Palmer]

Yes, pretty much the same other than 2 more points. The designers are not permitted to put their designs in their portfolio or in our gallery without your permission and their are minimum required amounts you must offer for the designs...

Corporate Identity
Logo - $150
Business Card - $65 (logo not included)
Full Stationary - (Letterhead, Business Card, Envelope)(Logo not included) - $100

Advertising/Brochures
4.25 x 5.5 (or smaller) - $75
8.5 x 11 - $125
8.5 x 11 (2 sides) - $175 *This would cover tri-fold brochures*
8.5 x 11 (more than 2 pages) - $70 per page

Web site items
Icons & Buttons: $10 each
Banners ads: $30
Header: $80
Illustration: $150
Flash Presentation: $200
Template (.psd layered Photoshop file only): $225
Template (converted to html): $300 for 2 pages. Each additional page $100

[electric]

Nice. This is something I will find very valuable. Signing up right now.. I've got a project all ready to go for bidding. :)

[electric]

I just signed up... I guess you'll add my forum userid to the reseller area? I'm itching to post my project. :tup:

[Palmer]

You're all set. Welcome to the inside :D

[JAC&Gill]

I'm very interested in the Reseller concept, but I have two questions:

1. If I sign up as a reseller, can I still post contests in the public forums?

2. I'm potentially going to be wanting designs for email newsletters, in particular the title banner and some kind of article divider / headline "bullet" (I don't know if this is making sense) to break up the different types of content. What would be the minimum reseller price for this?

Thanks,
Gill

[Matt Ward]

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2. I'm potentially going to be wanting designs for email newsletters, in particular the title banner and some kind of article divider / headline "bullet" (I don't know if this is making sense) to break up the different types of content. What would be the minimum reseller price for this?

Thanks,
Gill [/b][/quote]

1. If I sign up as a reseller, can I still post contests in the public forums?

Yes, you have access to all forums.



2. I'm potentially going to be wanting designs for email newsletters, in particular the title banner and some kind of article divider / headline "bullet" (I don't know if this is making sense) to break up the different types of content. What would be the minimum reseller price for this?


Every Type of work has a minimum, if you cannot meet that minimum for some reason then you can post it in the non-reseller appropriate forum.


Speaking from experience, if you want transparency, the you WANT to be a reseller. I learned my lesson the hard way.

[JAC&Gill]

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2. I'm potentially going to be wanting designs for email newsletters, in particular the title banner and some kind of article divider / headline "bullet" (I don't know if this is making sense) to break up the different types of content. What would be the minimum reseller price for this?


Every Type of work has a minimum, if you cannot meet that minimum for some reason then you can post it in the non-reseller appropriate forum.


Speaking from experience, if you want transparency, the you WANT to be a reseller. I learned my lesson the hard way.[/b][/quote]
Sorry - I don't think I made myself clear. It's not that I don't think I can meet the minimum, but from the price list that Palmer posted (May 6), I couldn't see the type of work that I was looking for and therefore I don't know what the minimum will be. How can I find this out?

What do you mean about "transparency"?? Confused :blink:

cheers,
Gill

[Michael]

Gill I shall find out for you, not sure if we have had that type of project yet (it may come under web banners?? not sure) :)

[Matt Ward]

transparency is the ability to provide a service to your clients as it coming from your business and not a freelance designer. This is a common practice in business.

Companies like grocery stores that sell food with their name on it....they don't make the food, they just sell it and the manufacturer who makes it is transparent to the customer (one exception to this point is that most people assume that the store is not making the product).

[JAC&Gill]

Mattman, thank you - it all makes sense now!

2Square, 2kind - much appreciated!

B)

[FoundIT]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mattman+May 19 2004, 02:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mattman @ May 19 2004, 02:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Speaking from experience, if you want transparency, the you WANT to be a reseller.&nbsp; I learned my lesson the hard way.[/b][/quote]
Mattman,

Can you expand on this?

I am just starting out and some of the work I am doing will be from a reseller point of view (regardless if I am profiting from it or not). I am seriously considering joining this sub forum, as I am interested in the privacy aspect and the fact that no else out in the "online community" can source ideas or concepts that designers work their butts off to come up with in regards to the project/contests being set here.

I am aware that the prices being set are a minimum, but based on the work I have seen so far, I think the designers are worth that, and in a lot of cases, more.

My problem is that being in Australia, the pricing is going to change day by day depending on the exchange rate (which is rather crazy at the moment with the price of oil and some economic stability/instablity in the US and Asia). But I know from other work done here locally, the pricing of local talent can be very expensive - typical of Australian labour vs US/International labour.

Do the reseller forums get the same amount of attention (or more?) than the general forums on DO by the participating designers?

Mattman, I would love to here more about you "learning the hard way", if you are willing to share this.

Thanks

Andrew

[electric]

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I recently completed a contest in the reseller area and am very happy with how things are progressing. The designs were ALL very good and it was tough to choose one.

I will 100% be submitting more contests.

To answer your question, I believe the amount of response you get to your contest is almost 100% directly related to how much you are paying the winner.

If you put a contest price of $500 for a simple template, then this will generate much more interest then $150 or whatever is the minimum allowed.

My advice to you is to try a sample contest and ask the designers if they feel the prize you have offered is worth the work you desire. Listen to their feedback and then raise the prize if necessary.

Remember that high quality work is not cheap. Cheap work is cheap.

:tup:

[Matt Ward]

Mattman, I would love to here more about you "learning the hard way", if you are willing to share this.



Simply put, when you search for one of my customers on google or yahoo, they show number one, but not the site, just the design outpost contest.....now that is not good business.

That being said, I have had damage control to do that I wish I never had to answer to for that client. It just isn't worth the hassle of the questions.

[Palmer]

they show number one, but not the site, just the design outpost contest.....now that is not good business.

That being said, I have had damage control to do that I wish I never had to answer to for that client. It just isn't worth the hassle of the questions.
I'd like you to clarify that statement. I understand what your saying but it may sound like it is bad to do business with us, which I know you didn't mean :)

[Carl]

Matt and anyone else,

Would it be possible to change the name of the client in the thread and the topic, or use "Company X" as a generic?

Of course the logo would have the name, but that wouldn't come up on a search engine.

Just wondering?

Carl...

[Palmer]

I've already moved his previous projects to a hidden area not reachable by the search engines. Eventually they should disappear from the search results.

[Matt Ward]

ok, let me clarify....
my intent is to use DO reseller account as an extension of my company, utilizing the resources here to to improve the performance, quality of work and turnaround time for my customers. In doing so I want that to appear transparent.

I mentioned the company name in the non-reseller thread, and in doing so allowed all spiders to see it. Because this website is such a hit, it picked up the name in only a few days. The result was if you did a search on google for the company name, the number 1 listed item was the thread in DO. For me, that was not a good thing, for DO it was great. Having a great website like this will do that. I resolved the issue here by making a request and having it moved. But the customer still called and I had to discuss it with them. From now on, I post all requests in the reseller section.

Like anything else in life, you learn from your experiences. If transparency is not a big concern then the standard forums are just fine. If you desire the transparency, then there is nothing better than the reseller program here at DO.

The customer did not have a problem, they were just curiuos. For me it was just a bit awkward.

I hope that clears up what was happening and why, and how I dealt with it.

Matt

[Palmer]

Thanks Matt.

[FoundIT]

Thanks for the feedback/background Mattman.
Certainly makes sense that this is the best option to remain transparent, hence one of the main reasons I am interested in it.

Another question to the admins and those that use the Reseller Program:

Am I able to still post contests in the general public contest forums?

There are a couple of potential clients that I going to try and assist in getting them a website (or upgrade a website), but I am not going to charge them.

I will be doing this as good will as they are either youth/community programs or clients that I trying to add to my portfolio by providing my services for a small charge or no charge.

As I will not be profiting or making any money out of these jobs, is there any problem that I hold these in the general public contest areas. I do certainly want to make sure the designers get a good and fair deal with any contest that I hold, however, the minimum amounts in the reseller area is a little out of the range with what I would like to offer for these jobs. I am not concerned about the transparency in this type of work.

However, as for any other work that I will be "reselling" and profiting on, I certainly would look at sticking with the Reseller forums.

Thanks

Andrew

[Palmer]

Yes Andrew, you are still permitted to post any project in the public forums if you are not able to meet the required minimum in the Reseller forum.

On a related note, on the new site we will be changing the name of the Reseller group to "Private Clients". We think that describes the program better.

[FoundIT]

Excellent!!

Thanks for confirming that for me Palmer. :tup:

I have just signed up and looking forward to starting another contest in the near future in the reseller forum.


Andrew

[Palmer]

Welcome aboard. Thank you :)

[Rammie]

Palmer

I just sent you an email asking some questions abuot the reseller program but then I found my way in here and got all the answers.

SIGN ME UP!! :tup:

I'm have ing some of this! I posted my first contents last week, got 4 great designs to choose from, oodles of help and very nice mannered people.

I feel like I've just 'employed' a full staff of designers!

My next contest (Tues hopefully) will be in the resellers program.

Rammie

[Palmer]

I replied to your email before I saw this :) You'll need to sign yourself up on the following page... http://www.designoutpost.com/resellers.htm

I'll change your status after you sign up.

Thanks :)

[Rammie]

Palmer

I knew I'd have to sign up myself :rolleyes: it was just an expresion!

thanks for the reply tho.

Rammie

[Rammie]

Hey guys

I just ran a search on Google for the name of my client and my contest on DO (which I only ran last week!) came top of the results :o

Is there any way to avoid this for that particular contest? I realise that being in the reseller program will prevent such search engine entries, but is there a way to get this one removed?

Kinda ironic though eh? We spend an awful lot of time promoting clients to search engines and afte a weeks posing in DO they scream to the top!

Ramie.

[Rammie]

Ok Guys' I'm in!

I've shown you the money :tup:

Rammie.

[Michael]

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I've shown you the money :tup:

Rammie. [/b][/quote]
Welcome to the club :)

[Matt Ward]

rammie, ask for the topic to be moved, and it will drop out in about a month or so, the same thing happened to me.

[Rammie]

thanks for the tip Mattman

Where do I go to ask to get it moved and where does it get moved to? The contest is not quite over yet.

I have gone back to the first post I made for the contest and edited out all the references to the business name. I thought might help drop it.

Rammie.

[Rammie]

thanks for the welcome 2square......nice to be here!

Ram

[Michael]

For now I would do what you have done and remove the business name if the contest is near it's end, if that is a going to cause problems then a decision could be made to move it to the Reseller forum.

[Palmer]

I don't have a problem with it being moved to the Reseller forum now. Michael can you take care of that while I catch up on other things?

[Michael]

:wizard:

[Rammie]

thanks for moving the contest guys. I'm not sure if it helps though. I tried the same test in Google (obviously the listing was still there) but when you click it now, it comes into the resellers template forum :o

I'm not sure which is worse from my clients point of view if they happen to 'drop' on it!

Rammie B) (nervously awaiting a Google database refresh!)

[Palmer]

The I.d. of the thread remains the same. Since you are logged in you will see the thread when you click on the link. Google will get a 404 page not found error and will drop it from the database.

[Michael]

:lol2:

Yes it would for you as to have privileges to view that forum a non Reseller would get an error page ;)

[Michael]

Sorry just seen Palmers post :)

[Rammie]

Ah, you boys think of everythin'! I didn't realise I was still logged in. I was logged in all night last night too! My phone went down while online and stuffed me good and proper for the evening but when I revisted the DO site this morning I was amazed to see I was still logged in!

I bet you guys were thinking " now that Rammies keen" :lol:

thanks again.

Ram

[Michael]

:rolleyes:



Where abouts in the Uk are you from?

[Rammie]

In the Midlands..... Derbyshire :sick: Would like to move to Devon or Cornwall and do my work with the French doors flung open and the smell or the sea and seagull poo wafting under my nose :tup:

Ram.

[Michael]

Yes Devon and Cornwall are very nice places, I too would love to work from the beach...one day maybe (When Palmer starts paying me :D )

[Rammie]

Hey, don't get me dragged into politics! I've only just signed up and might get booted off :D

Anyway, I gotta get my act together and post to dziner and Anne for my contest.

Ram.

[Palmer]

<!--QuoteBegin-Michael+Jun 15 2004, 10:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michael @ Jun 15 2004, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I too would love to work from the beach...one day maybe [/b][/quote]
Ohio has a beach, move here :tup:
http://www.coastalohio.com/index.asp

(When Palmer starts paying me&nbsp; :D&nbsp; )
Hang in there...

[Michael]

;)


Something I've just thought of and that is you still have the link to your website at the bottom of your posts! Search engines could link this on ;)


If I’m wrong I'm sure someone will correct me :)

[Matt Ward]

that is true, it can grab it from non private forums.

linke this on ;)

[Michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-Palmer+Jun 15 2004, 04:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Palmer @ Jun 15 2004, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ohio has a beach, move here :tup:
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I wish :( Tho I would like to move to Canada :tup:

[Michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-Matt Ward+Jun 15 2004, 04:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Matt Ward @ Jun 15 2004, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> linke this on ;) [/b][/quote]
;)

[fiveonetwo]

If I sign up for the reseller program, and I start a contest, is that contest viewable to all others who are resellers or just to me?

May I request certain designers to compete w/in my contest?

fiveonetwo

[Michael]

If I sign up for the reseller program, and I start a contest, is that contest viewable to all others who are resellers or just to me?

Yes other resellers will be able to view your contests, we can set up private forums at a higher fee :)


May I request certain designers to compete w/in my contest?

At the moment the contests are open to all the designers on the design team, we have discussed the option but not come to a decision.

You are free to email certain designers to join your contest but others will have the right to enter.


Any other questions feel free to post them or even email other Resellers to get their thoughts.


Michael

[fiveonetwo]

<!--QuoteBegin-Michael+Jun 18 2004, 02:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michael @ Jun 18 2004, 02:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Yes other resellers will be able to view your contests, we can set up private forums at a higher fee&nbsp; :)

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Thanks for the quick response. I just have a few more questions:

How much more does it cost for a private forum?


Are all copyrights transferred from the winner to the bidder?

Is a reseller charged sales tax?

Thanks.

[Michael]

How much more does it cost for a private forum?

Please email Palmer to discuss that option :)


Are all copyrights transferred from the winner to the bidder?

We do have a copyright agreement here http://www.designoutpost.com/copyright.htm which both parties will need to sign (we are working on a electronic version)


Is a reseller charged sales tax?

Not at this present time.


Hope that helps

[Eagle]

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<!--QuoteBegin-Michael+Jun 15 2004, 04:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michael @ Jun 15 2004, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->;)


Something I've just thought of and that is you still have the link to your website at the bottom of your posts! Search engines could link this on&nbsp; ;)


If I’m wrong I'm sure someone will correct me&nbsp; :)[/b][/quote]
Ok then...

Google now largely ignores links in forum posts. :(

:)

[Michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-Eagle+Jun 18 2004, 11:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Eagle @ Jun 18 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Ok then...

Google now largely ignores links in forum posts. :(

:) [/b][/quote]
Do they :huh:

[fiveonetwo]

<!--QuoteBegin-Michael+Jun 18 2004, 03:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Michael @ Jun 18 2004, 03:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->


We do have a copyright agreement here http://www.designoutpost.com/copyright.htm which both parties will need to sign (we are working on a electronic version)

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I'm assuming that the reseller agreeement differs in item #6?, #1, in that the author does not have portfolio rights?

[Michael]

That is correct

[ElKootcho]

<!--QuoteBegin-fiveonetwo+Jun 18 2004, 12:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fiveonetwo @ Jun 18 2004, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> May I request certain designers to compete w/in my contest? [/b][/quote]
To expand on Michael's previous response:

The designers on DesignOutpost are all independent contractors, not employees. Therefore they can choose which projects to work on and which projects not to work on. There are no requirements that anyone has to work on anything in particular. It generally comes down to the specifics of what the client is looking for coupled with the amount of money offered and available time.

You can certainly contact designer's directly in order to express an admiration of their work and ask them to take a look at your project. Often times that will get them involved, but not always. As I said, it's primarily the specifics of each project that will peak one's interest. B)

[Michael]

Thanks Mike

[fiveonetwo]

Okay, I'd like to email Palmer--I must be pretty sleep deprived, because I can't find his email. When I click on the 'email" link on his post, I get an error.

I'd like to chat w/other resellers about the success of this program. Anyone interested?

[electric]

<!--QuoteBegin-fiveonetwo+Jun 18 2004, 02:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fiveonetwo @ Jun 18 2004, 02:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'd like to chat w/other resellers about the success of this program. Anyone interested? [/b][/quote]
I've been happy with the reseller area.

What specific questions do you have?

[Michael]

<!--QuoteBegin-fiveonetwo+Jun 18 2004, 10:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fiveonetwo @ Jun 18 2004, 10:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, I'd like to email Palmer--I must be pretty sleep deprived, because I can't find his email. When I click on the 'email" link on his post, I get an error. [/b][/quote]
palmer[at]designoutpost.com

[hotnuts21]

IM a reseller and have been for here quite a while, I like to think that I am part of the team albeit not on the design team. I have ran a few comps here and have been happy most of the time.

If you have any questions let me know.

[Palmer]

To avoid our clients from being bothered by non-members of the Design Team, we disabled email and PM functionality for regular members. Only the designers, clients and resellers can use that function.

As Michael said, you can reach me at Palmer at DesignOutpost.com (obviously replace the at with @) :)

Thanks