[Project Complete] SilverBasement Logo + Business Card - $350 - Deadline 07/25/05

[SilverBasement]

(Admin code added by Palmer - L6110513D)

Deadline: 07/25/2005
Prize: $350



Project Summary:
SilverBasement.com plus a tagline. Tagline is still to be determined.

What type of product or service do you offer?
Sterling Silver Jewelry

What do you hope to accomplish with your new identity?
Class, Simplicity, and Elegance

Audience Profile:
Please describe your existing audience
We are dealing with a mostly female demographic.

Perception/Tone/Guidelines:
What type of logo would you like?
Class, Elegance, Simple

Communication Strategy:
What is your tagline or slogan?
Still working on this. We would be open to suggestions you might have, however, we reserve the right to alter it as we see fit, or come up with a new one altogether.

Where will your new logo be used?
Website (silverbasement.com), business cards, letterhead, etc.

Competitive Positioning:
Who are your competitors and what do you think about their logos?
Logos I like: BlueNile.com (absolutely love the simplisity, classiness and elegance of this logo)


What sets you apart from your competitors?
Pricing, Class, Customer Service, and prompt shipments


I look forward to seeing what all you very talented designers might have in mind for my company logo.

Sincerely,


SilverBasement.com

[SilverBasement]

The project has been updated to reflect a competing logo which we like alot (bluenile.com).

SilverBasement

[AlexKogan]

Hi and welcome to DO :)

A question to you: why "Silver Basement"? What's the meaning of the name and would you like this meaning to be reflected in the logo?

Thanks in advance :)

[SilverBasement]

Not really sure, to be honest. There weren't too many domain names left, and, this was one of the 25-30 that we thought of, which was still left.

Of course if anyone can suggest a BETTER domain name, that is still, in fact, available, I would be willing to pay a $50 finder fee (call it creative incentive), and we all know that as far as creativity goes, nobody beats Design Outpost.

Again, anyone who can suggest a better domain name (one that WE think is better, and one that we buy), will earn a $50 finder fee. Of course Design Outpost would earn the 10% as per their terms of service.

[SilverBasement]

Here's a thought for a tagline/image. Not sure how good it is, and, by no means is this final, but, it's a thought:

"Basement pricing...Penthouse Quality"

SilverBasement

[AlexKogan]

Of course if anyone can suggest a BETTER domain name, that is still, in fact, available, I would be willing to pay a $50 finder fee (call it creative incentive), and we all know that as far as creativity goes, nobody beats Design Outpost.

Again, anyone who can suggest a better domain name (one that WE think is better, and one that we buy), will earn a $50 finder fee. Of course Design Outpost would earn the 10% as per their terms of service.

In this case, maybe, you would like to put this project on hold and start another one for a new name? :) Then, when you've got a name, you can continue this project with your new name?

Not all of us know enough about hosting, checking for the available names and such, and for many of us (including myself) English isn't our first language, so if you include the name in this project, it probably wouldn't be exactly a fair game :D

[SilverBasement]

Not at all. We are satisfied with this domain name. We are always open to suggestions but, we are satisfied with this one, at this time. We are going to move forward with this logo contest.

Thank you.

SilverBasement

[AlexKogan]

ok then :) Thanks for the clarifications! :D

[Bill]

Here's my entry...

[Paula23]

:)

[Paula23]

Thanks,Paula

[Fabian]

Hi :)

[SilverBasement]

I am new to this, so please forgive me if I don't give the proper critiques. Please feel free to ask for more information if I don't make myself too clear. I have zero experience with design work, so bare with me.

Let me first say, across the board, that because we will be a website exclusively, I would like the ".com" to appear in our logo (unless you folks think it shouldn't, for a reason).

Bill-It's simple, and classy, but I don't quite know that we want the "basement" theme emphasized. Would love to see another, unique, idea from you.

Paula-This idea is simple and elegant, but, I think it might be more simple than what we wanted. Can you move the "basement" beside the "Silver"? With regards to the second idea, we don't care for the font too much as it's bit too standard, if that makes any sense. Would prefer a classier, luxury type font.

Fabian-Neat design, but, I'm not quite sure I get it. Not discounting this design, at all, but, could you please explain it?

SilverBasement

[Senter]

Silver... I have one question.. What is the primary type of jewelry you will be selling? Rings, necklaces and such? What will you keep the most of in stock?? What type of design are you looking for... BOLD, FLAIR, or SIMPLISTIC? Just a few helpful questions to get me started. Thanks, Bart

[SilverBasement]

Again, I'm new at this so I appreciate your asking me enough questions to garner a response from you folks.

I will be selling ALL TYPES of sterling silver jewelry (rings, necklaces, pendants, charms, bracelets...you name it, we will have it).

As for the type of design, well, I'll leave that up to you. I am open to suggestions, in general, although, I did mention above that I prefered something elegant, classy looking.

SilverBasement

[Senter]

ok thanks that helps me a little more.

[Bojan]

Hi

here is my first entry... I will appreciate your feedback

Kind regards

Bojan

[pracus]

http://pracus.com/silver.png

http://pracus.com/silverbw.png

[SilverBasement]

Bojan-This design seems a little "techy" for us. Almost seems like a logo for some type of IT product. Not really the direction we want to go in. Would prefer a smoother, more flowing design. I would love to see other ideas you might have, though.

Pracus-Very elegant and nice. Would like to see the design have more rounded, smoother edges, though.

SilverBasement

[Senter]

here is my first go at this one.... simple elgance.
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver1.jpg

[Senter]

http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver2.jpg

[Fabian]

a simple classy look at the "s",representing style.Wanted to also capture the shine of polished stainleess steel.

...hey it just looks cool ;) :D

[SilverBasement]

Bart-We don't really care too much for the first option. We prefer the second one but aren't in love with it either. Would like some other ideas from you, as I know you are capable of MARVELOUS work (from what I've seen while lurking on these forums for the past six months).

SilverBasement

[Senter]

ok ill break out the pencil and start sketching... LOL

[Taldo]

:)

[Senter]

ok.. I am trying to create you guys a brand instead of any everyday logo. Something with class, style and elegance, but modern as well. Let me know I have some more I am also working on.
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver3.jpg

[SilverBasement]

In general, even though I've been lurking for about six months, I am still stunned about the talent and creativity that you folks have. Anyway...

Taldo
This is simple, elegant, very refined. The font doesn't tell me much, to be honest, but, this is the direction that we want to go. I would love to see what else you have to offer.

Bart
This too is excellent. A logo that will eventually become our identity. Again, I would love to see what else you have to offer.

Thank you all so much for the hard work you are putting in, and in advance to those of you who intend to enter.

SilverBasement

[Rongie]

Hi SB,

Here's my best idea.. I played around with single icon SB that i think will work best to your business. Added different variations on it to give more elegant touch. Your comment is greatly appreciated.

Ron

[Rongie]

:)

[Senter]

Ok think abstract here but lelegant. it is the intials Sb making the shape of a womans head with long flowing hair. the a strong tagline. Just an idea here. Since jewelry's biggest target audience is women i thought hey wh ynot try it.
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver4.jpg

[Fabian]

:)

[Kassi]

Hello! Here are a few ideas to start with for the logo. Feel free to request any changes. Looking forward to your comments.

Many thanks,

Kassi :)

[SilverBasement]

Taldo:There is something about this that isn't quite right. Or quite the look which I am going for. Not sure how, as it's very creative, but, there's something there that isn't quite right for me. As creative as the SB is, it doesn't speak of luxury or class to us. Not sure how else to say it. I would like to see another idea, if you have it.

Bart: Another very nice idea, thank you.

Kassi: The diamond might be misleading, as we won't be selling any diamonds. Otherwise, very nice, but, would prefer another style graphic. The third idea we do like, but, I can't quite make out the design in the background. It's an "S" right? Or did I miss it?

SilverBasement

[SilverBasement]

Fabian: I like the simplicity of the S that you ahve useed but is there any way you could give me some variations of it?

SilverBasement

[Bojan]

hi

here is one more entry

bojan

[Bojan]

...and another one :)

[pracus]

revision

http://pracus.com/silver2.png

http://pracus.com/silver2bw.png

[Rongie]

Here's the Business Card :)

[SilverBasement]

Wow, I'm an airhead. The comments posted above for Taldo, were actually not for Taldo, but rather, for GraphixParanoid. I'll cut and paste them here.

There is something about this that isn't quite right. Or quite the look which I am going for. Not sure how, as it's very creative, but, there's something there that isn't quite right for me. As creative as the SB is, it doesn't speak of luxury or class to us. Not sure how else to say it. I would like to see another idea, if you have it.

[SilverBasement]

Pracus. I really like this idea and would love to see any other thoughts you might have for this logo.

SilverBasement

[Carl]

SilverBasement,

I sent you a Private Message regarding your name. I wanted to keep it confidential in case you don't use it.

You can get your messages by clicking here:

http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/private.php?

Thanks!
Carl...

[SilverBasement]

GraphixParanoid: The graphic has grown on me a little but, I would still like some revisions made. It seems too thick for my taste. Something about it should be cleaned up a little bit.

SilverBasement

[SilverBasement]

Kassi: An idea on your third idea. How would that S in the background look as the first letter in "SilverBasement"

SilverBasement

[Kassi]

Thanks for your comments. I will have your suggestion with the "S" and some other ideas I have ready to post soon.

Thanks again,

Kassi

[Kassi]

To follow are some different sets of ideas . . .

[Kassi]

v.3ab

[Kassi]

v.4ab

[Kassi]

... and finally v.5

[SilverBasement]

Thanks for the revisions, Kassi.

SilverBasement

[Raja]

I will be entering.

[Mark]

Here's my entry

[SilverBasement]

Mark, I like this idea, but, I would prefer to see the basement next to the silver, and the dot com as well (although much smaller). We will be using a tagline underneath the logo, which is why I say that.

Silver

[DesignGeneral]

I'll have something for you before the deadline :)

Cheers,

Adrian

[Mark]

Here's my revison :)

[eziey]

Sorry for the delay in responding to your invitation. Just recover from bad fever. Thanks anyway for the invitation.

[Severner]

Pure.

Best preview as imagined on the bottom of a white- clean business card. :blush:

all the info would be on the other side of the card.

[SilverBasement]

Severner: We feel this is excellent. Definately the direction in which we wish to head. This is one of our favorites thus far. Can we see how the SB logo might look with a different look?

SilverBasement

[Aaron]

Hi SB. Thanks for the invitation. Here's how I see it. Shown with and without the tagline.

[SilverBasement]

Can we have some font and color variations, as we like the simple nature of the design but the font really doesn't say much, and the colors we feel might be too dark. Something muted, but not so dark. Also, the ".com" should be in there (smaller than the rest of the words).

SB

[Severner]

Hi,

I'm glad You liked my version. I will do some more, as elegant as this one was - if needed.


I personally don't think that the logo-emblem "SB" and logo itself should be put together as i did on the bottom-left version.
Because the first letter S is too similar (well actually identical) and that ruins the moment.

it's should be something like Nike. an "arrow" and name "nike" , but usually not ON eachother.

Probably lot's of grammar/plot mistakes but i hope You understund my point. :)

[Just J]

:)

*EDIT - Oops, sorry I forgot the ".com". It's fixed now. :)

[SilverBasement]

Sure. If you can work on more ideas, that would be wonderful. Of course you don't have to but, the more the merrier. I really like the direction of this idea you just posted, so, at least you have a rough idea of what direction we wish to move in.

Jason. The font is beautiful and, the design I get also (a bit obscure, but I get it). Remember the dot com, and, again, feel free to post some more ideas.

SB

[bogglins]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Not sure if it's the color, or the font, or what it is, but, this idea, as nice as it is, just lacks some of the elegance that we are looking for. Would love to see other ideas, or a revision of this idea.
SilverBasement

[Trysen]

:) The symbol is an S&B as one. Simple, elegant and presentable. It stand out with it’s color and shape the type face is modern and edgy.

[DesignGeneral]

Hi,

Here is my entry :)

"S rotated with 90 degrees" -> "infinite" -> SilverBasement

I think this slogan might work better: "Basement pricing... Infinite Quality"

Cheers,

Adrian

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver1.gif

[SilverBasement]

Trysen. The font is very nice. Clean, Elegant, yet modern. Maybe you can extend the S out horizontally, a SLIGHT bit further, to make it slightly clearer that it's an S. Would also like to see some other options for the colors.

DesignGeneral. Not in love with the font. Not as elegant as some of the other fonts in this thread. Would like to see some other options for that, and, of course, if you have any other ideas for the graphic, would love to see those as well (although we do like the S/Infinity type symbol).

Tonya. Excellent Work. Again, would like some font and color choices, but, the graphic we like alot.

SilverBasement

[Kassi]

SilverBasement,

I was just wondering if you had any comments or suggestions regarding my last posts?

Thanks, Kassi

[SilverBasement]

Kassi, not really. We really like a couple of your ideas a whole lot and they will certainly be among our finalists. There's no need to revise right now, as we like your ideas a whole lot.

Of course, you can always feel free to post even more ideas. But, we do like the general direction in which you are going.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, I'd like to see how that graphic might look, rotated slightly in either direction, so that its at an angle. Just a thought.

SilverBasement

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, by the way, by "rotated" I don't mean clockwise or counter-clockwise. I mean rotated on it's vertical axis.

SB

[Aaron]

Revised color scheme...

[SilverBasement]

Aaron. I just don't think this is the direction in which we want to head. There's something missing from this design and we feel the SB is just too generic looking. Feel free to submit any additional ideas, but, for right now, I think we want to head in another direction.

SB

[SilverBasement]

I'd like to know if anyone else is planning to enter this contest? If not, I may be moving up the deadline, as there's no sense in prolonging it, if nobody else is going to be entering. If you plan to enter, please post something to that effect on here, so that we don't end it while you are in the middle of working on an idea for us. Thanks go out to ALL of you thus far, as the work you all have done, has been wonderful.

SilverBasement

[Rongie]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Wow. She is absolutely beautiful. May God bless her and may she bring you all the joy in the world.

SB

[Rongie]

..just some twist

[SilverBasement]

The SB graphic is still a bit too heavy...too thick. There's something about it that just doesn't convince me. It's just too thick. Does that make any sense?

[Rongie]

How about this?

[Rongie]

and this?

[Paula23]

Here's my earlier entry revised.
Thanks,Paula

[Paula23]

:)

[Senter]

Silver... any revisions from me?? or would you like some more ideas??

[SilverBasement]

I really like your ideas in 26 and 30. But, i'm always open to new ideas. If you have them...post away. In addition to new ideas, if you want to use different typefaces in the two ideas I mentioned above, to see how they look, by all means.

SB

[Senter]

i will get on this later tonight... I have to spend a little time with my new daughter first then i ill design some more

[SilverBasement]

By all means spend as much time as you need to spend with your daughter and wife, and, again, congratulations.

SB

[Senter]

Thanks but i will work on some things after she goes to bed. I cant stop designing its my life

[SilverBasement]

Looking forward to it.
SB

[Senter]

Hello SB... I have revised the tagline and added severl versions of this logo in different applications. Also included your business card design. Let me know what you think!
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver5.jpg

[Raja]

Hi.

[Fabian]

one more from me :)

[bogglins]

i'm trying again.. will post in half an hour.. thanks.. :)

[davegk]

Here's an idea...
-David

[bogglins]

:)

SB ..of silver basement

[davegk]

on the back of a business card...
-David

[bogglins]

:)

[PixelMaster]

Hello, here's my entry. Good luck choosing the right design for your business. :)

[bogglins]

:)
..elegant and lux.. :)

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver2.gif

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver3.gif

[SilverBasement]

Raja, I don't quite get it. What is the design supposed to be?

Fabian, same question. I see the "S" but, is there a "B" in there also?

Dave, I'm not too in love with that font. A bit heavy, and not classy enough looking. Can you give me some options? Would also like some options on the design you drew.

Bogglins, this is much better (in our opinion), than the first submissions. The design is nice, but a bit obscure. What is it supposed to depict?

PixelMaster, Thank you. Very nice. Can you give us some font options as well?

Tonya, we absolutely love this design (as we mentioned before). Can you give us as many font options as possible?

SilverBasement

[Senter]

more 2 come

[Tonya]

Tonya, we absolutely love this design (as we mentioned before). Can you give us as many font options as possible?

Sure :)
The graphics were a little different in the last two I posted (#2 & #3). Is there a specific one you'd like me to focus on for font variations and business card design?

[davegk]

another idea...
-David

[davegk]

business card...
-David

[Kassi]

SB,

I was just wondering, of the logo samples I have provided, which ones would you most prefer to see in a business card layout? Your feedback is very much appreciated.

Many thanks,

Kassi :)

[SilverBasement]

Kassi, we can throw out number 32 a and b, as well as number 48. The rest of your ideas we like alot and will certainly be among our finalists.

Tonya, I noticed that...again, we like both of them...it's tough to decide which one we like more at this point.

SB

[bogglins]

:)

[Severner]

Hi,
i updated one thing.
It's not a gradient, but it gives the logo a better feeling.
well.. more valuable.. somehow.hm

anyway if you like it, i can give you different color versions.

for example purple, pink or maybe even cian..


sev.

[SilverBasement]

I like it, but, it may be a little TOO light? Either way, some color variations/options would be great.
SB

[Rongie]

I've reseached the meaning, and would like to emphasize the simplicity of the (solid) ELEMENT that silver has.
> capable of being fashioned into a new form
> sonorous / ductile / easily led or influenced

and the basement:
>fundamental part of something; specifically: the rocks underlying stratified rocks :)

so, here's my new idea.

[Rongie]

.

[SilverBasement]

Some excellent, excellent work here, everyone.

Kassi, hopefully you got the answer to your question, in my earlier post.

Bogglins, what is the design supposed to represent? It's beautiful, but I'm not sure it fits what we do.

Severner. I'm still not sure I'm in love with the SB. I love the look and feel of the font, and colors, but, I'm not sure that the SB works for us yet. Maybe you could play with it some?

Graphix...very interesting take on things. I definately would like some options for color and fonts, and, I might also play with the positioning/look of the circles some. Otherwise, very original...we hadn't thought of going in this direction, but we do like it.

I'm not quite sure about your last idea, though. It might take some time to grow on me. Let me think about this one.

SilverBasement

[davegk]

any feedback on my last idea?
-David

[SilverBasement]

I completely missed it. I'm sorry bout that. I like it, but, I'm not quire sure it's as refined as some of the other ideas in this thread (and in fact, some of your OWN other ideas). I'm not sure it has the classy look/feel we're going after.

SB

[Kassi]

SB, thanks again for your feedback, I'll work on the business card layout. Kassi

:)

[SilverBasement]

Trysen, never heard back regarding the requested revisions. Please let me know.

SB

[bogglins]

Hi SilverBasement,
my first 2 concepts were the initials of S & B..
and the third concept was only the S
they are stylized.. because jewelery is also stylized.. hand crafted with the soul of art...

My approach were to get you a unique symbol/icon that represents the long name of Silver Basement..

Thanks!
:)

[bogglins]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Hello everyone, I will be narrowing down to the finalisits, with whom I will be working, at some point today, so, if you intend to enter and have not yet done so, I would kindly ask that you either do so, or let us know your intentions.

SilverBasement

[DesignGeneral]

:)

[SilverBasement]

DesignGeneral, for whatever reason, I'm still not convinced about this logo. I've seen some of the work you do on here, and can't help but be impressed by the consistently high quality of it, but, I'm just not in love with this idea. I would absolutely love it if you would come up with a couple of brand new ideas and submit them, as I know you have it in you.

SB

[DesignGeneral]

:)

[Tonya]

Here's a business card design based on my last logo submission, before I've tried any font or color variations.

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver3a.gif

[SilverBasement]

This is excellent. Our favorite of your ideas thus far. We like the like purple color (I'm sure it has a more exact name). Now it's about finding the right fit as far as fonts go.

SB

[Rongie]

Color revised. Same concept but different positioning.

[SilverBasement]

Hey everyone, we've decided to try to pair down the field here, as hard as that has been (as there are SO MANY good entries) by going with some
finalists. This does NOT close off the contest to any new entries, as the deadline is still a few days away. Should any of you have any new ideas, we would kindly request that you post them just the same.

We would also like to remind everyone that this is a business card contest as well (not all of you have been posting business card designs to go with the logos).

Pracus, Message Number 18:
Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated.

Kassi, Message Number 46 and 47 (we really like several of your ideas). Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated.

Eziey, Message 55:
Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated.

Severner, Message 56:
We love the font and coloring and as previously requested, we would maybe like some new ideas for the SB.

Thinkkre8iv, Message Number 90:
Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated. Some options as to the positioning of the logo, in relation to the words in the logo would also be greatly appreciated.

Tonya, Message 101/125 (undecided as to look):
Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated.

DesignGeneral, Message 124:
Some color and font options here would be greatly appreciated. We would also like you to play around with this a little bit. We like the idea...the infiniti symbol with a S and a B worked in there, but, maybe
you could give us some options for this?

SB

[Senter]

ok here is another to enter..
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver6.jpg

[SilverBasement]

anyone?

[skyvee]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Not sure that I see the S. I do see the B, but, I can't quite see the S in there. Any help?
SB

[Senter]

anyone?
SB to whom are you referring??

[SilverBasement]

to Skyvees' post.

[SilverBasement]

Oh, I'm sorry, you mean who was I referring to when I asked if anyone was going to post? I just meant anyone, really.

But, I did name some finalists and asked for some revisions, so, feel free to post away.

SB

[skyvee]

Thanks, SB! How 'bout this one? :)

[PixelMaster]

skyvee,
That's really cool, you got my vote on that one :)

[Senter]

ok here we go...
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver7.jpg

[Kassi]

SB,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I've been super busy (finishing up the last few weeks of school for the year, and working). Aside from that, I will definitely provide some font and colour variations as well as a business card layout. It's in my plans for tonight, thank you for your patience!

Many thanks,

Kassi :)

[SilverBasement]

Bart, can you give me some font options as well? I'd like to see some fancy cursive fonts thrown in there as well. Not sure that will work, but, I'd like the option.

SB

[Senter]

working on the font issue.. but one question are you wanting a whole font change or just the workmark on mine??

[SilverBasement]

Not sure that I understand the question. I only want the font changed for purposes of viewing options. I don't want the graphic changed. Make any sense?

[Senter]

yes i am working on it

[Kassi]

SB, here are some font/colour variations. I can provide more if needed. Is there a particular icon you prefer out of the selections I have posted? Just curious, as narrowing it down would help me provide more samples based on your preferences. Feel free to mix and match. Also, to follow are some business card layouts for you to consider. There are a couple more font/icon options within these business card samples as well. Thanks, Kassi

**EDIT: Please see later logo posts**

[Kassi]

:)

[Kassi]

. . . :)

[SilverBasement]

Hello everyone. I will be making my decision on Friday one way or the other, so, if you are one of the finalists, the requested revisions would be greatly appreciated.

SB

[Severner]

Hi,

Thanks you for you last letter. It's quite weird, nobody really has a clue Why she did it. I just can't understund these kind of things :/
why oh why.
Well, I hope she had her reasons and I respect that. Was her choice so nothing much to do now.


after all,it's offtopic... so..hmm:

did some changes, different colors and one new version.

Didn't yet think about the SB version much.. but I will.
still got some days left :)

[Severner]

yeh..lot's of different versions put on one small canvas..
sorry for that,hehe.

here's some card options..

edit:

hmm... weird. that bottom left one.
Now as i look at it. it seems so familiar.
can't remember, maybe it's because the ofter-used colors.. or maybe i've seen something like that logo before.

hm..
weird anyway. hope it's just a guess though.

[SilverBasement]

We really like your ideas alot as for the font and colors, but, what we aren't too convinced about is the SB emblem.

SB

[Severner]

Maybe You can choose 2 winners?
for example one SB and font/colors. could split the money.

hehe.

no idea if it's allowed though.

I will post some versions of SB emblem before the deadline.


sev

[SilverBasement]

Likely not allowed and, I probably wouldn't want to even suggest it. Because, there is alsoa business card associated. So, I would rather pick one winner. Easier on me, and easier on everyone else.

SB

[AlexKogan]

It is not allowed, Sev. Please, check our rules once again just in case there's something else you're missing. :bang:

[SilverBasement]

DesignGeneral, Tonya, Pracus, Eziey, I look forward to seeing your revisions and any additional ideas you might have prior to my making my decision shortly.

SB

[eziey]

Will post my revision ASAP...Just don't notice that I'm one of the finalist before you PM me as this thread is real busy....Thanks for the PM...

[SilverBasement]

No problem. Looking forward to it.
SB

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver4.gif

[Kassi]

Hello,

There was a little internal questioning as to how I posted my logos previously with the colour/font options. We thought they may not be following the posting guidelines that we (the designers) are to follow. It turns out they were alright the way they were, but I have them ready to repost anyways, so I thought I'd complete the process ...

Now that my explanation is out of the way, lol ... :blush:

A little more colour/font options, organized a little better. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Kassi :blush:

[Kassi]

6b ...

[Kassi]

6c ...

[Kassi]

6d.

[eziey]

:)

[Senter]

here is the other font options i came up with... I am working on some other ideas as well
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver8.jpg
http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver9.jpg

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver5.gif

[eziey]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, I like the look of the emblem in post number 125 (the rotation, etc), which I believe (correct me, please, if I'm wrong), is the same as in your revisions of color in number 157. I also like the purplish color of 125 so I think that's the one we will stick to. Now it is going to be about finding a font that I like and, I haven't seen one yet in your submissions that I'm crazy about. But, as for the look of the emblem and the coloring, we have our favorite. No more revisions required. We can work on that stuff if your design is chosen as the winner.

Bart: There are no more revisions required. We can work on revisions if your design is chosen as the winner.

Eziey: No revisions. We can work on revisions if your design is chosen as the winner.

Kassi: No revisions. We can work on revisions if your design is chosen as the winner.

We will wait on Severner's revisions and make our decision today, at some point, hopefully.

Thanks go out to EVERYONE who entered. We really, truly appreciate all your hard work.

If you would like to throw something in at the last minute, please do so, as we will be making our decision shortly.

SilverBasement

[SilverBasement]

Severner, without rushing you, I really would like to see what you have so that I can make my decision tonight, and move forward with my template contest which will come next.

Anyone of you guys and gals do templates as well? Would love to have you join in that contest too. Please let me know.

SB

[DesignGeneral]

I'll post my revisions shortly :)

[SilverBasement]

I'm looking forward to it, but, I will be making my decision tonight, so, hopefully you will get it in before then.

SilverBasement

[DesignGeneral]

:)

[Severner]

Hi,

Sorry. I am working on it atm.

don't worry.. i'll be fast,hehe.

sev

[DesignGeneral]

:)

[DesignGeneral]

:)

[Severner]

Hi,

I can't describe how sorry I am for being such a pain in the ***. : )

I really didn't have time to do anything else at the moment.
So these are quite simple versions.

I will -however- post more advanced and creative emblembs as the first thing on the morning.



Sorry again, I hope You don't think now, that every single thing I do takes me this long :blush:

Sev


edit:
PS for moderators: I will also edit this and last 2 versions so every logo would have it's own canvas.
hehe, Don't worry Alex, i Do read rules.. just that some weird things have happen lately that blew my thoughts and time away....

[SilverBasement]

Ok, I will wait, then, until early tomorrow morning. I should have a winner posted by 10 am Eastern time (US).

SB

[PixelMaster]

SB,
Have a good night! :)

[Trysen]

:)

[SilverBasement]

Ok, this is what I would like to see, and, I promise this will be my final revision request, and, I will make my decision immediately thereafter. I want to see Eziey (message 55), Tonya (message 125), and ThinkKre8tiv (message 30), please post using the following font, which I absolutely love. I want to see if the logo emblem would even work with the font.

The font is called:

University Roman

Thank you in advance.

SilverBasement

[Senter]

I will do that for you but I have to do it at lunch (12:00PM) CST. I am at my fulltime job right now and dont have access to my files. Is this going to be ok??

[SilverBasement]

That's fine.
SB

[DesignGeneral]

Hi SB,

I found a font that I thought you might like it and designed an icon to match the font style.

What do you think?

Adrian

[SilverBasement]

I like the font, but, I'm not really crazy about the icon. Would prefer something higher end looking...classier looking. Do you know what I mean?

SB

[DesignGeneral]

yes.

I will be back with another idea :)

[SilverBasement]

You people are all amazing, both in your talent (and god only knows you each have a ton of talen), and in your desire to please and work hard. I can believe that I'm fortunate enough to have found this site.

Thank you all.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Anyone care to try that font I mentioned on for size?

[Senter]

ok hre is my concept that you like with your font...

http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver3-1A.jpg

[SilverBasement]

Thank you Bart. We'll wait now on Tonya and Eziey for their revisions, and for Severner (who was posting other ideas for her emblem), and DesignGeneral (who wanted me to wait until he posted other ideas).

SilverBasement

[Tonya]

Ok, this is what I would like to see, and, I promise this will be my final revision request, and, I will make my decision immediately thereafter. I want to see Eziey (message 55), Tonya (message 125), and ThinkKre8tiv (message 30), please post using the following font, which I absolutely love. I want to see if the logo emblem would even work with the font.

The font is called:

University Roman

Thank you in advance.

SilverBasement


I'm sorry, the font you've asked everyone to use is one that is integral to Severner's design (http://www.designoutpost.com/forums/showpost.php?p=162191&postcount=56). In this situation, it would be an infringement on that design, so we can't use that font.

What we can do is find other fonts that have a similar style to them.

[SilverBasement]

You are incorrect, and, I've already run this by the mods. Fonts are not copywriteable, as they are public access. The design itself is, but not the font.

Believe me, I already took the possibility into consideration when I requested the font change. Should you STILL not wish to post it, that's fine, but, I will likely be requiring that font in any design that I choose (not certainly, but likely).

SilverBasement

[SilverBasement]

Having said that, and, despite the fact that you are incorrect in your premise, you can feel free to try to find similar fonts to that one. But, again, unless the font is modified in some way unique to the design implemented by that particular designer, a font is NOT, in any way, shape, or form, copyrightable.

SB

[SilverBasement]

By the way, if you do a little bit of research on Google, or any other, more legalized software (Lexis/Nexis, or Westlaw), they go one step further. Not only is a design's font not subject to copyright laws, but, the FONT ITSELF is not even subject to copyright laws.

SB

[Tonya]

The problem isn't because it's a font someone else used, it's that it's actually part of Severner's design. So in this case, I don't think we can do that. Let me double check with admin, though, and I'll come back with an answer shortly.

Designers: hold up until I get an answer about this.

[SilverBasement]

I've already forwarded you, via PM, Michael's response. There is NO design, and, that's the issue. I, technically, own the domain name, and, because there is no design associated with the font used, and because she did not alter the font in any way, there are no copyright issues here.

Read your PM, and you will find Michael's response.

It's not a big deal. If you really see this as wrong (and to be honest, a simple font use is not really that big a deal, as you, I and everyone else has access to these fonts, and they aren't an original creation of Severner's), then feel free not to post the revision and, if you prefer, find a similar, alternate font.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Whichever Mod removed number 186, I would kindly ask that you put it back. I would be glad to forward you Michael's opinion on the matter.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Volume 37 of the Code of Federal Regulations:
"The following are examples of works not subject to copyright and applications for registration of such works cannot be entertained: (...) typeface as typeface" 37 CFR 202.1(e).


Typefaces:
In the United States, typeface designs are not covered by copyright, but may be covered by patents if sufficiently novel.

In Europe, Germany (in 1981) and the UK (in 1989) have passed laws making typeface designs copyrightable. The UK law, unlike the German, is retroactive, so designs produced before 1989 are also copyrighted, if the copyrights wouldn't have already expired.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, I would appreciate your reinstating post 186, considering you have Michael's response to the situation (to whom Palmer deferred). I don't care for the fact that you took it upon yourself to remove a post without first thinking it out and asking for feedback. I further don't appreciate the continuing delay that you are causing this contest.

SB

[Tonya]

Okay, sorry for the delay. I was awaiting the word from Admin on this. They've cleared it, so I'll reinstate the post that was pulled. Thanks for your patience on this.


Designers: Everyone now has a green light to use the requested font.

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, I think in the future greater care should be taken on your behalf. I think that the steps you took should have been taken in reverse order. You should FIRST have contacted the mods, THEN removed the post. I don't think that random removal of posts, on a hunch, whim, or opinion of yours (or anyone's), is the right thing to do, especially when considering copyright issues.

Not upset, or trying to preach...just some friendly advice.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, having said all that, will YOU be posting your revision?

SB

[Senter]

I didnt mean to cause a uproar by posting using the requested font... for that I truely apologize. I was just taking care or the client and his/hers revisions considering my designs.

[SilverBasement]

Bart, if anyone caused the uproar, it was I. And, I took the time/care to run this by Palmer (who referred me to Michael as the copyright specialist), prior to even requesting it. Palmer can verify this, and has, in fact, given the ok to Tonya. It certainly wasn't your fault.

SB

[Just J]

Hi SB,

The reason Tonya removed the post was because items in question are removed and discussed by the mods and admins. The reason for Tonya's actions were that of DO policy, not tradmark law.

Our policy states that unless a particular font is suggested before it is used, it is not to be used by another designer within that thread as the "idea" belongs to that designer. This is done to limit designers from copying other designs.

It seems in this case, that the rule has been waived.

Hope that helps. :)

[SilverBasement]

If that is a rule, it's a silly one. What's to stop a designer from posting 500 different ideas, without any thought whatsoever, comprising ONLY 500 different font types, thereby rendering them unusable by other designers?

If that is a rule, it should be re-worked. At the very least, it should coincide with copyright laws, which are very clear on the matter.

A "design" as you call it, has NOTHING to do with the font, unless the font is modified in an original way by that designer.

Thought about logically, it's a no brainer, guys. I appreciate your input, but, it's not even that difficult.

SB

[Tonya]

I'm sorry if I've offended you somehow. That was certainly never my intention. Being a moderator, it's my job to make sure that certain guidelines are followed and to take certain actions when they aren't. We have a rule that designers may not use unique elements from each others designs. In some situations, that includes font selection. And since Severner's design actually utililzed a letter from that font in his graphic, it would normally be considered an element of his design.

But, you'd gotten approval from Admin on other designer's using the font, so we're all clear.

[Senter]

so what do the finalists need to do now??

[SilverBasement]

Ok, can we all move on and finish up this contest? Causing this type of situation was NOT my intention. I just really liked the font used. I wouldn't even CONSIDER stealing someone's unique/original design, artwork, or any sort of creation, however, in my opinion (and in that of the mods), the font used did not fall into those categories.

I think all that needs to be said on the matter already has been. You've not offended me at all, and, I still value your design very highly. Let's all just move on and keep moving towards our goals here.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Bart, the finalists don't need to do anything. I simply asked you, Tonya and Eziey to post your emblem next to the "SilverBasement" using that font. You've already done that, and, I'm now waiting on Tonya and Eziey to do the same, and on Severner to post her ideas on the emblem, which she has indicated she would do.

SB

[Senter]

ok thanks... i will work on some more combinations later today. if that is too late then let me know

[Tonya]

Tonya, having said all that, will YOU be posting your revision?

SB


:D
Yes, I'll post a revision sometime this afternoon. My moderator duties and my design work are separate ;)

[SilverBasement]

Bart, you don't have to if you don't want to, really. I have all I need from you. Of course if you have unique ideas and wish to post them before I make my decision, by all means.

Tonya, I look forward to it.

SB

[Michael]

Client, Moderators & Designers

My sincere apologies, I should have informed the Moderators of the forum of the agreement between the client & myself, I have no excuses in not doing so.

I also apologise for any embarrassment this may have caused and hope this hasn’t jeopardized any relationship between the client and the staff of Design Outpost.


Michael

[SilverBasement]

Not at all. Water under the bridge. Let's move on.

SB

[Severner]

IF you like any of these choose the one you like the best and i will do a more-detailed revision of that emblem/logo.



dear moderators,i know it's not allowed to put so many different versions on one canvas but it's only till he chooses the one he like. if that done i will delete this picture and add a normal version.


would take too much time and would be quite pointless to make different canvas for every single item on this pic.

sev


[ Post edited. Delete if possible. ]

[SilverBasement]

On the top row, I like the second one from the right. And, in post number 174, I also liked the one on the right, in the top row.

SB

[Senter]

SB.. on this I was going for it to look like a charm on a necklace or a bracelet...

http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silverbart8.jpg

[SilverBasement]

I really prefer your other, more elegant looking design.
SB

[Severner]

Hi,


Pure and more feminine..
what do you think?


I see we have still some time... So do you like that round emblem or do You need something even More elegant?


edit: my point is, that It's not final. i can make changes if needed.
for example that businesscard is deffenetily far from final.


sev

[SilverBasement]

Go for it. Make as many changes as you want. The more the merrrier. Remember also that I liked the other idea that you posted in number 174 on the top right.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Severner, I have ONE idea you might want to try, to see how it looks. It will require you using a slightly different font on the two letters in the emblem, though.

On this emblem. What you can do is make the S a different color than the B. Follow me so far? Then, you can make the S flow directly into the B the way it is now, but, change the color of the bottom arch of the B, so that it looks like a continuation of the S. It might also require you making the S's intersection with the B more paralell to the ground.

Does that make ANY sense>?

SB

[SilverBasement]

Let me know if you know what I mean by what I just suggested, or if I should go into greater (clearer) detail.

SB

[Severner]

hehe,

I understund what you mean.
I had that idea before.. i think i even made some versions. just didnt post any.


i'll give it a shot and post it soon.
sev

[SilverBasement]

Good. Didn't want to confuse you with my mumbo jumbo.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Feel free to post something, even if it isn't finished, so that we can make sure that we are on the same page, thinking the same thing.

SB

[Tonya]

This is probably not the direction you actually were hoping I'd go, but curvy, decorative fonts just don't seem to fit well with the clean, simple style of this logo. So anyway, here's my attempt to dazzle you with something different :D

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver6.gif

[Severner]

Hi,

Here's some preview..
Please choose the one you like the most so far (if any)..


You can always combine different ideas - if you know what i mean.


Sev

[SilverBasement]

Sev, nope, you see, that's not what I was thinking.

SB

[Severner]

I most likely read something wrong...

As said before-my thoughts are abit away lately. Sorry about that.

I get what you mean now. Going to post some versions right away.

Sev

[SilverBasement]

Let me try to explain more clearly. Taking the SB emblem in this last post, at the very bottom, as opposed to the one that you are revising from a few pages ago, I'm going to try to explain what I mean.

Do you see how the middle, horizontal, line of the "B" intersects with the S, which is coming into it? Well, as you can see, the portion of the S, that is crashing into that middle horizontal line of the B is not STRAIGHT, but rather, it's slanted slightly downward. What I was thinking was that you could make that straight, instead of slanted, so that the middle, horizontal line of the B could look like a continuation of the S. Do you see what I mean? Then I thought you could simply make that middle, horizontal line of the B, a different color, as well as the continuation of the S.

SB

[Senter]

SB... I know what are wanting...it is almost 5 I will get home and mock this up for you.

[SilverBasement]

Tonya, can I at least see how it might look with that font? You might be right, but, I might like it, no?
SB

[SilverBasement]

I will be stepping out for a couple of hours here, and I'll be leaving in about ten minutes, so, if anyone has any questions, now would be the time, or in a few hours.

SB

[Severner]

hmm..
a bit like S & P. otherwise quite elegant.

what do you think?

sev

[SilverBasement]

You are right. It does look like a P in the second version, with the different colors. Thank you for your hard work. We'll wait on Eziey and I will have my decision tonight.

Thank you to EVERYONE.

SB

[Severner]

No problem.

Hmm, well.. it's quite weird. now as i have time, i actually don't have anything to do.

Maybe i will do some other versions. as you sayd "the more the merrier" : )


Looking forward to hear your decision,
sev

[eziey]

:)

[Severner]

Hi,

I made a probably-final canvas of all the ideas You seemed to like.


Added one feminine eyecandy version too,
Severner

[SilverBasement]

Unfortunately we are absolutely torn and we had hoped to post our decision tonight, but, at this point, we simply can't decide. So, we've decided to sleep on it a day or two.

I hate to be such a pain, and, so picky, and, I hope you all don't hate me for this, but, it's your own darned faults...why do you have to be so GOOD????

Anyway, please accept this as an apology as I had planned to pick today, but, our decision is a very important one, and a very difficult one.

SilverBasement

[Senter]

No problem SB take your time!!!

[Tonya]

Tonya, can I at least see how it might look with that font? You might be right, but, I might like it, no?
SB


I'm trying to dig up the font. I've got several font disks and I'm pretty sure it's on one of them--just have to find it :rolleyes: Just wanted to let you know I'll get it done at some point tonight.

[Tonya]

http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/graphic_files/silver/silver7.gif

[SilverBasement]

This is easily the toughest descision that our young company has had to make, to date. With the sheer number of wonderful entries, it was extremely difficult to narrow down to our finalists, and, with the excellence of the finalists' submissions, it was nearly impossible for us to pick a winner.

It came down to nothing more than a hunch. We took a vote and the vote was almost perfectly evenly split among the finalists (Severner, Eziey, Tonya, Bart).

We've decided, however (again, not easily so), to go with Bart and his design.

We want to thank you all for your hard work and, we wish that we could start up four different websites and use variations of each of your logos on each site, but, unfortunately, we can't, and, alas, there must be one winner.

Severner, Tonya, Eziey, and the rest of you who posted your wonderful ideas on here: Thank you for your hard work, and your countless revisions, and your talent and desire to please.

Bart, we think we are going to stick with that font, but, we would like as many options as far as colors go, as possible. We would like something similar to what we have seen so far...classy, subdued. We would also like some business card varieties/options.

We'd like you to shrink the ".com" so that it's not a big focus of the logo. And, please capitalize "pricing" in the tagline.

Thanks again, to all of you, for your wonderful hard work.

SilverBasement

[Senter]

SB-- Thanks for you comments and choosing my design. I will work dilligently with you on your revisions and make sure you are happ with your final product. One quick question? Wich font are youreferring to? The one you suggested ( University Roman ), or the one from my design? Just needed toclairfy this up so we can begin your revisions.

[SilverBasement]

University Roman

[SilverBasement]

Bart, any idea when you will be posting revisions?

SB

[SilverBasement]

Bart, I would really like to get this done as soon as possible so as to start my Template contest. Please let me know when we can get this started.

SB

[Senter]

I am starting on this now.

[Senter]

OK here are some color choices... we should get this complete then work on the business card design.

http://www.thinkkre8tiv.com/silver10.jpg

[SilverBasement]

Ok, I think we'll stick with "A" which is the original color anyway. I think it looks best.

SB

[SilverBasement]

Bart, are you working on this? Revisions in the thread came very quickly before the winner was picked, and, I hate to keep rushing you but, I need this completed.
SB

[SilverBasement]

I'd also like to see how this looks with the SB emblem in various spots (left of the words, right of the words, beneath the words), so that i can see which way it will work best atop my home page.

SB