Corel Vs Adobe...

davidude · #1 12-11-2003, 07:40 AM

Hello,

I have always used Corel's products for designing and they have worked fine for me, but it seems more and more that Adobe is surpassing Corel. Before I spend money switching products I was wondering what people's opinions on the pluses and minuses of each are... talking about the newest release of each...

Thanks a lot

-David

motiveX · #2 12-11-2003, 09:03 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (davidude @ Dec 11 2003, 12:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hello,

I have always used Corel's products for designing and they have worked fine for me, but it seems more and more that Adobe is surpassing Corel. Before I spend money switching products I was wondering what people's opinions on the pluses and minuses of each are... talking about the newest release of each...

Thanks a lot

-David [/b][/quote]
I haven't used Corel since one of its original formats, so I can't really comment on how it is now...but I know I switched because it was not nearly as powerful a design tool as Photoshop or Fireworks.

You will get a lot of opinions from varying sides in here. I think it will really come down to what you want to use the programs for. Website design, print or other new media means?

I wouldn't switch from Fireworks and Photoshop for anything. They are my babies and are the two best tools out there for what I do...website design.

That is however, simply an opinion.

I would recommend listening to what opinions you get in here, but also doing research on your own to combine all thoughts on both pieces of software to come to a solid conclusion as to which will suit your needs most effectively.

ElKootcho · #3 12-11-2003, 09:07 AM

I've never been a Corel user so I can't comment on functionality. The HUGE plus for Illustrator is that it really is the industry standard. You may be able to use Corel as a freelance designer or at a smaller company where it was purchased due to tight budget issues, but if you want to land a gig at most big agencies or design houses you'll need to know illustrator along with Photoshop and Quark or InDesign.

Obviously that's not saying that it's a better program, just reality at most places.

JaysonC · #4 12-11-2003, 11:12 AM

I second Kootch.

For your own freelance jobs, it may come down to what you prefer/work better and faster on. If you are looking to better your skills for a "outside" design job, most companies will use Illustrator.

motiveX · #5 12-11-2003, 11:19 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuseDesignStudios @ Dec 11 2003, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I second Kootch.

For your own freelance jobs, it may come down to what you prefer/work better and faster on. If you are looking to better your skills for a "outside" design job, most companies will use Illustrator. [/b][/quote]
If you are speaking from a pure print standpoint, yes. Illustrator is to print as to Photoshop is to the Web Design world; pretty much industry standard(s).

ElKootcho · #6 12-11-2003, 12:49 PM

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If you are speaking from a pure print standpoint

what else is there? :blink:

Raja · #7 12-11-2003, 05:05 PM

Graffiti

davidude · #8 12-11-2003, 05:40 PM

Thank you all for your replies and advice... I will be sure to consider the advice if I decide to look more seriously at another product...
I would be switching over to adobe now if not for the small problem called money... Oh well...maybe Christmas right?

Again thank you for your time

-David

Eagle · #9 12-12-2003, 02:15 AM

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Well, I'm sure you all know by now I'm firmly in Corel's corner. I actively promote their software (and should by now be on their payroll!

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To save me time though, here's an excerpt from another forum I frequent following some ignoramus lambasting Corel without any foundation whatsoever...(a non-pro user I might add)...

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Originally posted by **** .....but found them (CorelDRAW/PhotoPaint) both extremely clunky, slow, unreliable and limiting.

Try version 11. I've found it runs like lightning compared to Photoshop.

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CorelDraw in particular is a total joke.

She's not laughing....

<img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/temp/hedy_animated_corel.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

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A few years back we only had the Corel suite at the college I went to. We didn't even have PSP (which is superior to PhotoPaint but inferior to PS, in my opinion).

Agreed, the early incarnations of the suite were shaky...but have you tried recent versions, especially v11?

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....newbie-style interfaces

Newbie-style interfaces?

Sure, newbie...you'll be using this like a pro in 5 minutes...

<img src='http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eeqip/temp/pp/shad1.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

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The 'Photoshop gives me less control' argument is totally unfounded - show me one example and I'll eat my words.

I hope you're feeling hungry....

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At the end of the day, if people want to stick with inferior software to make some sort of point then that's fine.

I use both Adobe and Corel software professionally so I don't have to make a point...in my opinion, Corel does more and does it faster and better...

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what software you use...it's what you do with it that counts. And my work speaks for itself.

...I'm yet to be stumped by anything thrown at me and Corel software...

Sorry!

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He never did reply.....

With all that said, I'd agree to some extent with Kootch and xteriormotive that Adobe products are industry standard...whatever that means? Not having a pop at them, but that's a bit of a cop-out statement which I hear time and time again from all over the place...just because something is 'industry standard' doesn't mean it's better than something else. Take Microsoft for example - their products are bug-ridden and bloated but most people use them as they have flooded the market through one method or another.

It's all just a case of people being unaware...

[edit] I've seen a live demo of Adobe CS (and I'll be getting a copy v soon)...and I still doubt I will convert...
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Juvanescence · #10 12-12-2003, 02:40 AM

Through ten years of education not once was I told about Corel. Not one machine in three seperate establishments had it installed. I think this speaks volumes.

Numerous interviews since leaving University, can you guess how many companies asked whether I had Corel experience.. yep you guessed it. None.

scriptfactory · #11 12-12-2003, 12:51 PM

Photoshop CS is not a reason to convert. I use it and it is nice software but there isn't a dramatic change from PS7.

However, I do feel Adobe products to be a lot more polished than their Corel equivalents. I feel like the difference in cost is more than made up for by the quality I recieve.

**cre8or** · #12 12-12-2003, 01:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Raja @ Dec 11 2003, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Graffiti [/b][/quote]
For this, I use chalk, spray paint, permanent markers...
more or less anything that is easily concealable,
and can be disposed of quickly if caught.

ElKootcho · #13 12-12-2003, 02:37 PM

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With all that said, I'd agree to some extent with Kootch and xteriormotive that Adobe products are industry standard...whatever that means?[/code]

All that means is exactly what I said earlier. Use whatever you're more comfortable using but realize that if you're going to try and land a gig at the majority of big design firms, agencies, etc. than chances are that you'll be expected to know Illustrator, not Corel, for print design.

You can know photopaint and coreldraw like the back of your hand but most agencies won't give you the time of day if you don't know the Big 3 - Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark (and to a growing extent InDesign) for print work.

It won't matter if you're an off-site freelancer as long as you deliver what they want in the form that they want it. But if you want to be in-house, learn Illustrator.

Michael · #14 12-12-2003, 02:59 PM

Kootch I think we are going to have to start a debate about Quark v's Indesign...but then again I think we may have done a few months back <_<

I think more and more Print Shops are leaning towards Indesign lately, the ones I have contact with are...but I still prefer Quark, but admit haven't used Indesign that much to make a real judgement on it.

**cre8or** · #15 12-12-2003, 05:42 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ElKootcho @ Dec 12 2003, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
You can know photopaint and coreldraw like the back of your hand but most agencies won't give you the time of day if you don't know the Big 3 - Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark (and to a growing extent InDesign) for print work.
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CorelDRAW / Adobe Illustrator -- They're practically the same. They're both vector drawing programs. The tools are basically the same. The learning curve isn't so steep. Yes, Illustrator is the industry standard... it has been for *years*.
PhotoShop / Photopaint -- again, same **** different pile. They're both bitmap editing software, the tools are basically the same...etc.

It comes down to personal preference. I agree with Kootch, though... if you get a gig in the "industry" learn illustrator.

As far as Quark vs InDesign goes... I'm Old Skool, I like Quark, InDesign gives Quark a run for they're money... I just don't like it.

Again: Personal Preference.

Raja · #16 12-12-2003, 05:56 PM

Yo Eagle,

Good Luck!

Eagle · #17 12-12-2003, 06:11 PM

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Heheh!